Representative Todd Atkin on "legitimate" rape

[removeduser_487563287433]

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/wo...rape-quote-day

“It seems to me, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare,” Akin told KTVI-TV. “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something: I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be of the rapist, and not attacking the child.”

Oh dear. Just so any of you are in Missouri and need to be aware not to vote for this guy, presuming you have a mother, wife, sister or daughter. Or a brain.

This sort of ignorance must be crushed. This sort of statement really should be a career-ender in any sane country. The abortion debate is one thing, but forcing raped women to bear the children of their attackers, and then full out lying about basic biological facts? Repulsive.

The dickhead has released the following statement:

http://fox2now.com/2012/08/19/the-ja...ugust-19-2012/

It's the standard weak-ass "I mispoke" bollocks. I misspeak too. I've yet to completely lie about how we reproduce in doing so, somehow.

[Celsius]

Yeah, I just saw this on the news this morning, but when I saw that he was a Republican I was hardly surprised. What's worse is that he is expected to win the election....

[removeduser_487563287433]

Yeah, I just saw this on the news this morning, but when I saw that he was a Republican I was hardly surprised. What's worse is that he is expected to win the election....

That's so depressing.

[Visna]

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/wo...rape-quote-day

“It seems to me, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare,” Akin told KTVI-TV. “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something: I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be of the rapist, and not attacking the child.”

Oh dear. Just so any of you are in Missouri and need to be aware not to vote for this guy, presuming you have a mother, wife, sister or daughter. Or a brain.

This sort of ignorance must be crushed. This sort of statement really should be a career-ender in any sane country. The abortion debate is one thing, but forcing raped women to bear the children of their attackers, and then full out lying about basic biological facts? Repulsive.

The dickhead has released the following statement:

http://fox2now.com/2012/08/19/the-ja...ugust-19-2012/

It's the standard weak-ass "I mispoke" bollocks. I misspeak too. I've yet to completely lie about how we reproduce in doing so, somehow.

Finally some consistency in "pro-life", of course wrapped up in minsunderstood biology or just plain ole' lies, but that's not really surprising. If you're against abortion because of that poor little baby that is brutally murdered, it makes no sense to allow abortions in case of rape or even incest.

[NRohirrim]

Finally some consistency in "pro-life", of course wrapped up in minsunderstood biology or just plain ole' lies, but that's not really surprising. If you're against abortion because of that poor little baby that is brutally murdered, it makes no sense to allow abortions in case of rape or even incest.

In my country abortion is mostly illegal today, but there are some exceptions. One of those exceptions is when woman become pregnant after rape - she got choice then. And some ultra-catholic right-wing politics would like to ban entirely abortion, including above. I think that'd be ed up. I can't imagine that some woman from my family would be forced by law to bring a "little monster" concepted during rape. Such a shame. Just unbelievable

[tarvu]

In my country abortion is mostly illegal today, but there are some exceptions. One of those exceptions is when woman become pregnant after rape - she got choice then. And some ultra-catholic right-wing politics would like to ban entirely abortion, including above. I think that'd be ed up. I can't imagine that some woman from my family would be forced by law to bring a "little monster" concepted during rape. Such a shame. Just unbelievable

I think that it is a shame that not only being a victim of a rape the woman must prove that the rape occurred in order to receive consideration for an abortion. Secondary victimization at its worst surely, not only is she a victim of rape but now she is an attempted murderer guilty unless she can prove her innocence.

[Visna]

In my country abortion is mostly illegal today, but there are some exceptions. One of those exceptions is when woman become pregnant after rape - she got choice then. And some ultra-catholic right-wing politics would like to ban entirely abortion, including above. I think that'd be ed up. I can't imagine that some woman from my family would be forced by law to bring a "little monster" concepted during rape. Such a shame. Just unbelievable

No reason to be concerned. Didn't you read the OP? If it was a legitimate rape, she won't get pregnant.

[removeduser_487563287433]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-c...40#TWEET200789

A wider report. I'm so sick of seeing morons like this blame rape on women... "Oh you got pregnant from rape? Why didn't you magically prevent that, ?"

[Visna]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-c...40#TWEET200789

A wider report. I'm so sick of seeing morons like this blame rape on women... "Oh you got pregnant from rape? Why didn't you magically prevent that, ?"

IMO a far more disturbing issue arises when you start wondering how he got into sort of position of power.

[removeduser_487563287433]

IMO a far more disturbing issue arises when you start wondering how he got into sort of position of power.

Well, we both know his view on abortion resonates. What I would challenge those people with is, if your view is fair, and rational, why must you political leaders so frequently be exposed as scientifically ignorant when trying to justify them?

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

If I got raped and was a woman I would take the morning after pill.

[Menelik_I]

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/wo...rape-quote-day

“It seems to me, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare,” Akin told KTVI-TV. “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something: I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be of the rapist, and not attacking the child.”

Oh dear. Just so any of you are in Missouri and need to be aware not to vote for this guy, presuming you have a mother, wife, sister or daughter. Or a brain.

This sort of ignorance must be crushed. This sort of statement really should be a career-ender in any sane country. The abortion debate is one thing, but forcing raped women to bear the children of their attackers, and then full out lying about basic biological facts? Repulsive.

The dickhead has released the following statement:

http://fox2now.com/2012/08/19/the-ja...ugust-19-2012/

It's the standard weak-ass "I mispoke" bollocks. I misspeak too. I've yet to completely lie about how we reproduce in doing so, somehow.

Abortion proponents like to lump abortion because of rape with recreational abortion, the ''what about if your daughter got raped'' question is all too common and make the whole debate dumber since some try to put people under a corner such that acknowledging abortion for rape somehow justify recreational abortion.

Rape, and all things around it, is a very personal and difficult experience for the victims, we shouldn't use it for promotion matters. A dumb debate breeds dumb debaters.

Edit:

Also He seemed to be struggling to say that pregnancy by rape is a rare events and that abortion in case of rape are themselves rare events in the wider number of performed abortions.

[chilon]

Abortion proponents like to lump abortion because of rape with recreational abortion, the ''what about if your daughter got raped'' question is all too common and make the whole debate dumber since some try to put people under a corner such that acknowledging abortion for rape somehow justify recreational abortion.

"recreational" abortion?

Is that like recreational drugs? You think some girls get abortions for fun? For recreation? Methinks you need to rephrase that opinion.

[Kraut]

Would please one of the native speakers explain to me what "legitimate rape" does mean?
Does it mean "an action that is defined as rape by the law"?

[removeduser_487563287433]

Would please one of the native speakers explain to me what "legitimate rape" does mean?
Does it mean "an action that is defined as rape by the law"?

Well, that's the question. I would interpret it as him meaning that a "legitimate" rape is one where a woman is genuinely forced against her will to have sex, as opposed to a rape where the woman secretly enjoys it. It's horrifically misogynistic and seems to imply women are to blame for "non-legitimate" rapes.

Is he suggesting that women who get pregnant from rape liked it?

Getting pregnant after being raped is an evolutionary stable strategy, unfortunately we would never evolve such a biological defence mechanism against it.

Unfotunately, yes, I think that's what he is suggesting. And of course a woman is as likely to conceive via rape as she is through consensual sex. I am horrified a grown man could be so biologically ignorant.

[Kraut]

Well, that's the question. I would interpret it as him meaning that a "legitimate" rape is one where a woman is genuinely forced against her will to have sex, as opposed to a rape where the woman secretly enjoys it. It's horrifically misogynistic and seems to imply women are to blame for "non-legitimate" rapes.

Errrmmm.... ok... so there is "real rape" opposed to "not really rape because she liked it and got pregnant"?

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Is he suggesting that women who get pregnant from rape liked it?

Getting pregnant after being raped is an evolutionary stable strategy, unfortunately we would never evolve such a biological defence mechanism against it.

[Sir Pignans]

I think all he meant was that by saying 'legitimate rape' he meant an actual rape. Not one where merely the victim made up the whole story in order to get an abortion (which to be fair I could probably see happening).

[Menelik_I]

I think all he meant was that by saying 'legitimate rape' he meant an actual rape. Not one where merely the victim made up the whole story in order to get an abortion (which to be fair I could probably see happening).

^You said it better.

[removeduser_487563287433]

I think all he meant was that by saying 'legitimate rape' he meant an actual rape. Not one where merely the victim made up the whole story in order to get an abortion (which to be fair I could probably see happening).

I personally extremely doubt that's what he meant. The fact that he seems to erroneously believes that rape causes a biological reaction in a woman with regards to conception seems to suggest he thinks it's the trauma of a rape that causes it.

I'd also suggest that if you're right, then it's extremely odd he didn't say so in his recent statement.