Magic = Different Energy to Matter Conversion Ratio

**Imperial Glory** · August 19, 2012, 01:45 PM

Is it plausible. In a universe where there's a wildly different energy to matter conversion ratio would it act like magic if harnessed by technology ie creating gold making minions. Would it make life impossible as we know it or would human beings be able to exist. Also what other aspects of life would it shift ie different warfare, homelife, business, etc. Finaly would you need technology to control the conversions or would your bioelectricity be enough.

Any answers are welcome

**CtrlAltDe1337** · August 20, 2012, 01:21 AM

We would all die and the Borg would battle the Lizardmen that live under the earth for dominance.

**Humble Warrior** · August 20, 2012, 02:15 AM

If you`d just ask if magic could possibly exist in an alternative universe as some form of different energy I would`ve said yes.

Unfortunately, you went completely awol after that so I don`t know what the hell you`re talking about.

**Aanker** · August 20, 2012, 02:23 AM

What is "magic"?

I mean, if you are looking for the souls of the dead rising again under the influence of a potent necromancer, you have the difficulty of explaining why they have souls (even under different physical laws) and why the necromancer would be the catalyst in this reaction.

**Humble Warrior** · August 20, 2012, 02:40 AM

Originally Posted by Aanker

What is "magic"?

I mean, if you are looking for the souls of the dead rising again under the influence of a potent necromancer, you have the difficulty of explaining why they have souls (even under different physical laws) and why the necromancer would be the catalyst in this reaction.

That`s the beauty of magic. It can never be fully explained - Or should never be..

Although I have written stuff where worlds exist that have magic and developed my own `rules` on how they work, I tend to keep it a completely secret to the viewer so the mystery of magic is constant.

That said, even I sometimes don`t know the full intricacies of what magic can do in my own fantasies. that`s the beauty of it.

Magic has to remain mysterious to work, or it`s no longer magic, just some science.

Remember Starwars and when Lucas stupidly revealed the Force to be a biological organism?

**Imperial Glory** · August 21, 2012, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Humble Warrior

That`s the beauty of magic. It can never be fully explained - Or should never be..

Although I have written stuff where worlds exist that have magic and developed my own `rules` on how they work, I tend to keep it a completely secret to the viewer so the mystery of magic is constant.

That said, even I sometimes don`t know the full intricacies of what magic can do in my own fantasies. that`s the beauty of it.

Magic has to remain mysterious to work, or it`s no longer magic, just some science.

Remember Starwars and when Lucas stupidly revealed the Force to be a biological organism?

And then anakin was born through the force

Lacus totaly made that part sensical.

**Nutsack** · August 20, 2012, 07:21 AM

In my opinion the universe is "magic". If you don't agree with that statement then consider the following: everything came out of nothing, and it consists of something that progresses infinitely (time and space). Everything is made out of beams of light that when concentrated forms small balls with "electricity" revolving around it. Everything is made out of these small balls that can clump together and form "molecules". The universe is extremely bizarre and because everything is made out of tiny little balls and spacetime is what I believe to be magical.

**Humble Warrior** · August 20, 2012, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by Nutsack

In my opinion the universe is "magic". If you don't agree with that statement then consider the following: everything came out of nothing, and it consists of something that progresses infinitely (time and space). Everything is made out of beams of light that when concentrated forms small balls with "electricity" revolving around it. Everything is made out of these small balls that can clump together and form "molecules". The universe is extremely bizarre and because everything is made out of tiny little balls and spacetime is what I believe to be magical.

Actually I don`t disagree. I know scientists want to reveal everything, but even knowing what we know, it`s still kind of magical just to be here on this world among all this life today, especially when you look elsewhere and it`s pretty drab.

**Nutsack** · August 20, 2012, 12:48 PM

Well when you look at the universe it's kinda hard to judge because we're part of it. So to say that it is magical or special is kind of hypocritical because there is no alternative to compare with. Also, I was initially talking about the universe being special, not life but you brought it up and that's a great point. Something extremely bizarre upon the universe is consciousness, us. We are really weird, but then again back to my initial point we are "normal" if you wish because there is nothing else.

Life is in my opinion the ultimate form of matter, or existance. After the universe has expanded so much that all matter begins to dissipate from each other there will be no more life and therefore, in my opinion, no more purpose if we ever had one.

**Elfdude** · August 20, 2012, 02:16 PM

I can't begin to interpret the original post here. Quantum theory tells us that there are an infinite number of universes in which an infinite number of outcomes also exists. Not only should there be universes where magic legitimately exists (both guided by rules which are as plain as science and guided by rules less obvious and more miraculous) but the thing about magic is it's only magic until it's explained. Electricity was magic when it was discovered. It's just no longer what we consider magic. Any technology sufficiently advanced enough to be a mystery to us would also be magic because we can't comprehend of the rules which produce it until enlightened at which point it ceases to be magic.

However the interesting thing about infinfite possibility is that there very literally could be a universe with wizards studying magic in sequestered in their towers for eons which give them world shattering or shaping powers but always the magic will only be magic as long as it remains unexplained. Dragon Lance bordered this idea at a point where inter dimensional portals allowed dragons that were epic versions of their native dimensional kin to come through and reign over their new home. To me, their epic size is no longer just explained as magic but rather explained by the infinifte chance of extra dimensional bridges to bring two things together which typically couldn't exist. However in the same way those universes must exist there is much more likely infinifte more which can sustain no life, or whos life cannot leave their dimension or even dimensions which would destroy ours upon interacting.

The potential you have with the quantum universe to explain all sorts of things is awesome. Rules cease to be absolute with quantum physics and instead apply to bubbles of order within a sea of infinitely describable chaos.

**Imperial Glory** · August 20, 2012, 04:15 PM

Humble Warrior: Sorry about going off topic but I four hours of sleep yesterday and I could'nt form a connected train of thoughts. What I meant by my post was if in another universe they could voluntarily alter the matter energy conversion ratio would it act like magic. So basically science fiction that looks like fantasy. Would it be possible or completely flawed

elfdude: Mindboggling is'nt quantam theory the most likely explanation for our universe or am I just confused?

Nutsack: The Great Freeze? Or the Great Rip?

**Nutsack** · August 21, 2012, 08:48 PM

Imperial Glory I've never heard of anything called "The Great Freeze" or "The Great Rip". It's just common sense that if the universe keeps expanding like this, which it will, everything will eventually just be separated into dust.

I don't believe in the multiverse theories, or that there could be multiple universes. That to me sounds far-fetched and extremely irrelevant to any discussion about physics. If there was another universe, then technically wouldn't that be a part of the universe? If "universe" defines everything that exists and has ever existed, then logically it has to include everything, including "other universes". There is technically only one universe because the word defines everything there is. How there can be multiples of "everything" is therefore something the supporters of those theories has to be able to explain. Besides, discussing something like another universe is probably pointless because it is impossible to observe, like the inside of a black hole. Yes, there has been people that have claimed to have been able to prove the existance of other universes through some kind of radiation data that supposedly proves that there was some kind of trickle left over from when they split, but until someone actually explains exactly how that works then I unfortunately have to believe its just crap.

So far I have to maintain my belief in that we exist within one side of a "mirror". So far we have discovered anti-matter, anti-energy (so called dark energy), and so antigravity and space is probably not so far fetched as it sounds like. There are recent papers published on this theory, as I recently found out because I actually didn't know that people had already thought of it before I did (no joke I was really stoned). I happen to believe that there is such a thing as a positive existance versus a negative existance and that the imbalance between the two is what resulted in us, but call me crazy.

**Imperial Glory** · August 21, 2012, 11:10 PM

So you independently came up with that theorie while high.Seems like the scientific community owes more to stoners than previously thought

Ohh and the Great Freeze is when the universe reaches absolute zero ie no heat left in the entire universe. the great rip is when gravity can't hold the universe together anymore and it rips apart