Giant Pile of Florins

[Orlorin]

I'm playing my first SS campaign (HRE) and despite spending like theres no tommorrow I've got hoarde of unused gold. I don't have BGR on and campaign diffculty is Hard. Is this normal?

[Chazz1225]

I'm playing my first SS campaign (HRE) and despite spending like theres no tommorrow I've got hoarde of unused gold. I don't have BGR on and campaign diffculty is Hard. Is this normal?

The HRE were quite wealthy during this time, and they'd need to be due to having war on several fronts, you'll also find that if HRE are being controlled by the AI they'll generate lots of stacks, it's just to make the game more historical, highlighting how dominate they were

[TsarBG]

The HRE is a pain in the ass to it's neighbours generally, especially France and Poland. Domination is fairly easy unless you manage to be at war with everyone and get excommunicated, and even then, it's more fun than hard. Recruit, make stacks, kill, conquer, repeat.

[Ichon]

It really shows how bad AI is at managing multiple fronts though that it is so easy as human player while AI HRE is normally nearly gone by turn 50.

[TsarBG]

It really shows how bad AI is at managing multiple fronts though that it is so easy as human player while AI HRE is normally nearly gone by turn 50.

I have yet to play that sort of game where I have noticed that. The HRE are currently at war with me (Poland) and Genoa. Every time I beat them back, they just generate more stacks and get close to my settlements, making it a nuisance for me. Probably this is due to them being at war with hardly any factions, as they have been aggressive towards me from like 40 turns in, and it's currently turn 58, and they are alive and well. I damaged their military, but they still generate stacks with troops that by all rights should take way longer to train fully.

They're not a huge threat, just a major nuisance in my expansion, as I haven't take a settlement in probably a good 8 or 9 turns, thanks to me having to divert a lot of my forces to try to take their settlements, which (as I previously mentioned) were greeted by well-equipped stacks.

But hey, I guess everyone experiences a different kind of game

[The Kybrothilian]

It's fairly normal to have a huge amount of cash in SS, which is explained a lot by the fact that the general's bodyguard units don't have any upkeep.

[PapaRosario]

It's fairly normal to have a huge amount of cash in SS, which is explained a lot by the fact that the general's bodyguard units don't have any upkeep.

I think the bigger reason is all of the economic changes. I remember one time making nearly 5k per turn from two merchants trading silk. There's also some new buildings compared to vanilla that will increase your income.

It really shows how bad AI is at managing multiple fronts though that it is so easy as human player while AI HRE is normally nearly gone by turn 50.

For me they always either get destroyed very fast or they do extremely well. In my current campaign, they have taken over Denmark, part of Poland, and all of France down to Iberia. They're the highest ranked faction besides the Mongols.

[Duck of Death]

I'm playing my first SS campaign (HRE) and despite spending like theres no tommorrow I've got hoarde of unused gold.

My family and I are just returning from a crusade in the Holy Land, doin the lords work you know?
Anyhow, we are short on money and our horse just ran out of hay. If you could spare us a few thousand we'd be sure to pay you back just as soon as we get home.

[GiddeeUpp]

Try Byg's mods or the SSMAP submod. Both alter the economics of the game to make it less like fighting constant stackspam.

[Paragon]

So people are annoyed because having 20 something settlements gives a lot of gold? How is that not realistic?

[GiddeeUpp]

No, its fighting off endless stacks of pure spear militia armies that gets annoying, not the fact that they have stacks but that it is not difficult to fight these armies whatsoever and just makes the game extremely boring

[Paragon]

I was referring to the initial post on this thread. For me, I almost always play in late era to avoid the spear militia spam.

[Orlorin]

I was referring to the initial post on this thread. For me, I almost always play in late era to avoid the spear militia spam.

I was not annoyed I was wondering if it was normal. I am not at 1192 and the pile as shrunk considerably as a I fight off stack after stack, (20+) of Moors. Silly Spainards let them have the entirity of Iberia. Thanks for your assurances.

[Paragon]

I was not annoyed I was wondering if it was normal. I am not at 1192 and the pile as shrunk considerably as a I fight off stack after stack, (20+) of Moors. Silly Spainards let them have the entirity of Iberia. Thanks for your assurances.

We were busy with civil wars at the time, and you are silly.

[GiddeeUpp]

Ah, i personally prefer playing early era and building up to late era. more fun plus SSMAP is only for early era

[Rushwithoutmercy]

Endless stacks of militia?

auto resolve then, jesus.....

[Garfield]

No need to stack piles of florins because there's always ways to spend it. Recruiting more units and building bigger armies and navies, funding your allies or enemies of your enemies, trying to bribe foreign generals and armies, keeping your closest allies very happy until you crush them, keeping the Pope very very happy or even buying some settlements. I always try to compensate my income with reasonable expenditure and thus keeping the initial profits quite low and my treasury rather small even with huge incomes. Also helps to avoid those mostly harmless but very annoying negative tax and other traits with governors.

[Paragon]

Ah, i personally prefer playing early era and building up to late era. more fun plus SSMAP is only for early era

Well, it ends up being a matter of what you prefer: total customization and building or unit variety (among other things)

[Salvatore_Fox]

Just advance faster... it'll cost ya enough. I play the byzantines a lot. The have a well oiled powerhouse of an economy. Constantinople has an income of 9k. I expanded agressively in every direction, always finishing with about 1k florins at the end of the turn, but since I met the mongols, I've got to save some money up. Stopped my expansion and deployed armies in the castles at my borders. Kiev, Sicilia and Venice are constantly attacking, but no serious threat. The mongols are of a different kind. Spamming fullstacks of excellent warriors.
Conclusion. You can either pick more foes... or just the right ones.
Other ways to spend money:
-Have an excellent spy network
-Control the sea (what about blocking every port ingame)
-Bribe
-Open up another front
-Try to invade Mongol territory
- Convert cities into castles (if not enough, chance it back all the time )

[Sanderlicious]

I've always ended up with unimaginable expanses of gold at my disposal within 100 turns playing SS. I find it somewhat annoying as it makes financial management a non-factor while playing.

So I've been meaning to switch to BGR for some more interesting play, but I am just a little too lazy to want to deal with the learning curve and remod my map again. Woe is me...