I am skepticale about the seige battles.

[Toho]

so am I the only one looking at the marvelous cities with skepticism? I mean it all looks gorgeous and epic but I somehow doubt we would see it... it might turn out to be just like the Empire screenshot that never happened. we see a beautiful city/town to the left (that we cant even enter) and even that was replaced by some random blocks of buildings in the middle of the farmland.


my question to CA is... are we actually going to get cities or some other downgraded model that can actually work on the average PC?

[Adreno]

Read the interviews

[The dead one]

The game will be fine. Don't worry to much. All I see on R2 forum is how bad all the other games are and things from them they don't want in R2. I'm getting sick of it, really.

I love all the games and I have bought everyone of them. Even empire xD DM made it really good actually. And I can't wait for this since I know this will be the best in the series. And they have always improved their games in all aspects, then again I don't know what happened to empire xD But to be honest, shogun 2 has been the best in the series. So I'm sure as hell R2 will be even better

[Asgaroth]

it might turn out to be just like the Empire screenshot that never happened. we see a beautiful city/town to the left (that we cant even enter) and even that was replaced by some random blocks of buildings in the middle of the farmland

I agree. This was a big disappointment for me. I hoped fighting in towns rather then on farmlands and so on.

Well I guess that only time will tell, but one thing you must be certain is that in eras like Rome I (antiquity) or Medieval II(Medieval era) life was concentrated around the cities, so city battles area must and since you will fight a lot of city siege battles, they need to improve the from Rome I. I mean it is illogical that it stays the same especially after 8 years have passed and technology has gone so further ahead.

So you are not the only one nervous. I am to, but still thinking in this way that I stated they won't mess up anything.

You probably had this kind of fears :

This was actually how Rome I was going t look. CA made the videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3y0tvky5Iw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKL086WkzdU&feature

[Toho]

so what were the pictures released as preview for Shogun 2 and Last Samurai that never made it to the game? if everything they previewed actually made it to the game then I might have a little more hope...just a little...

[Zimmy]

I'm more worried about the battle map countryside. I miss Rome 1's. If you attacked an army near the coast where you had ships, you could see those ships in the background. And so on.

[Markas]

I'm more worried about the battle map countryside. I miss Rome 1's. If you attacked an army near the coast where you had ships, you could see those ships in the background. And so on.

I hope they are nothing like the flat, dull, featureless battlemaps of RTW.

[Akrotatos]

I hope they are nothing like the flat, dull, featureless battlemaps of RTW.

At least the maps of TRW helped you decide the terrain you were going to fight on. If I was outnumbered I wnet to the mountains and prayed that the map would have me on top of a mountain. In Shogun 2 the maps were beautiful...but I felt like I was playing in the same area over and over. Forests on two sides, a clear area in the middle, a small hill...etc

[Wowwars]

At least the maps of TRW helped you decide the terrain you were going to fight on. If I was outnumbered I wnet to the mountains and prayed that the map would have me on top of a mountain. In Shogun 2 the maps were beautiful...but I felt like I was playing in the same area over and over. Forests on two sides, a clear area in the middle, a small hill...etc

I feel you man.

[Hoki]

At least the maps of TRW helped you decide the terrain you were going to fight on. If I was outnumbered I wnet to the mountains and prayed that the map would have me on top of a mountain. In Shogun 2 the maps were beautiful...but I felt like I was playing in the same area over and over. Forests on two sides, a clear area in the middle, a small hill...etc

Would like to see a lot of randomness in the terrain. Shogun's battle maps seem too intentionally balanced to be fair or something. I wouldn't mind a few well designed for multiplayer, but for the most part they should be random.

Also imo the maps are WAY TOO SMALL. You can't feign a retreat if you can't fall back for more than 30 seconds with mounted skirmishers. Thats my favorite strat skirmish their front lines till they are over extended, while flanking with heavy cavalry, then ambush with infantry and converge. But theirs just never enough room.

[Akrotatos]

Would like to see a lot of randomness in the terrain. Shogun's battle maps seem too intentionally balanced to be fair or something. I wouldn't mind a few well designed for multiplayer, but for the most part they should be random.

Also imo the maps are WAY TOO SMALL. You can't feign a retreat if you can't fall back for more than 30 seconds with mounted skirmishers. Thats my favorite strat skirmish their front lines till they are over extended, while flanking with heavy cavalry, then ambush with infantry and converge. But theirs just never enough room.

Why random and not depending on the campaign map? A little bigger maps would be fine but not too big, nobody wants to take 5 minutes to reach the opponent.

[SleepySteve]

At least the maps of TRW helped you decide the terrain you were going to fight on. If I was outnumbered I wnet to the mountains and prayed that the map would have me on top of a mountain. In Shogun 2 the maps were beautiful...but I felt like I was playing in the same area over and over. Forests on two sides, a clear area in the middle, a small hill...etc

Agreed, I reallylike the maps from M2 the best. If you were in mountanous terrain on the campaignmap, you would get some very interesting terrain. I hope the battles are more connected to the terrain of the campaign map again. The battles in S2 are boring because of the uninspired terrain.

[alexanderswift]

At least the maps of TRW helped you decide the terrain you were going to fight on. If I was outnumbered I wnet to the mountains and prayed that the map would have me on top of a mountain. In Shogun 2 the maps were beautiful...but I felt like I was playing in the same area over and over. Forests on two sides, a clear area in the middle, a small hill...etc

Indeed, it was just silly. Especially when the battle maps didn't match up to the terrain on the campaign map. Rome/Med 2 had a very good system for this and it just felt a whole lot more organic. Even if you could get some just plain stupid maps (Like starting on a sheer cliff).

[atheniandp]

I'm more worried about the battle map countryside. I miss Rome 1's. If you attacked an army near the coast where you had ships, you could see those ships in the background. And so on.

Yes. The battle maps were generated from the campaign map. This was an excellent feature that was ditched from Warscape. I'd also like to see its return.


@OP

We will no doubt see these cities. That along with naval landings seems to be the big feature. You should be worried about other things suddenly disappearing. Like the cool contemporary art from Shogun for instance, along with probably many other things that I can't think of right now.

[Asgaroth]

I'm more worried about the battle map countryside. I miss Rome 1's. If you attacked an army near the coast where you had ships, you could see those ships in the background. And so on.

Since land and naval battles will be combined, I see now worries for this.

[Hoki]

Your worried about them being combined? Could you imagine a beach landing assault? That would be awesome!

[Zimmy]

No, I was worried about the background not being there at all. In Rome 1 you could see the sea you were fighting next to, or a mountain in the distance you saw on the campaign map.

[Lockcaps]

I don't think so - in usual cases i would be suspicous(i mean it looks SO good for pre-alpha) BUT the fact that there is a -video- of it, that they showed to journalists, makes me strongly doubt we are going to get "scammed" this time. So im not worried, actually.

[Anna_Gein]

A video you didn't seen.

You know no journalist ever told me about the realm divide thing for shogun 2.

[Asterix]

I loved RTW maps, it was a different thing every time. But I hated RTW siege battles, atrociously innacurate and rather boring. In the 7 original TW games we've had (8 if you include FOTS), not a single one has had decent siege battles. NTW and ETW siege battles were a complete joke, S2TW siege battles were moronic. I understand that siege battles are difficult to recreate because of their unique time scale, not long enough to be turn based but not short enough for real-time battle, but I'm sure CA can do much better than they have.