Separatist Party leading Quebec Provincial Election. Canada & Quebec Dividing

[Dance the older]

http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/08/14/divide-deepens-between-quebec-and-rest-of-canada

With the separatist Parti Quebecois leading the polls ahead of next month's Quebec election, a new survey says one in four in the rest of Canada are fed up and ready to kick Quebec out of Confederation.

History

"I am going to strike a strong blow. Things are going to get hot. But it necessary. It is the last chance to rectify the cowardice of France." "Long live Montreal! Long live Quebec!", "Long live free Quebec! Long live French Canada! And long live France!"- French President Charles de Gaulle, July 24, 1967.

Response:
"The people of Canada are free. Every province in Canada is free. Canadians do not need to be liberated. Indeed, many thousands of Canadians gave their lives in two world wars in the liberation of France and other European countries." - Lester B. Pearson, Canadian Prime Minister

Maybe he should have remember it was Britain, the United States, and Canada that liberated France!!! But the sentiment and praise of his words still remain today, all over Quebec.



Canadians already spend $2.4 Billion annually providing Bilingual services...

Canada’s 10 provinces spend nearly $900 million annually providing bilingual government services. Including the $1.5 billion the federal government spends on bilingualism, Canadian taxpayers are footing an annual bill of $2.4 billion for bilingual services, a cost of $85 per Canadian.

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Opinions?

My Opinion: Pretty simple. I'm against being forced to speak both English and French in an Anglophone-dominant Country. I'm paying for these "bilingual services" from my OWN TAXES. Something I, and MANY I know are very against. This is unacceptable, the Federal Government bending over backwards to provide Canada. I believe Quebec should have assistance revoked, and French as a Federal language revoked.

My Experience: I live on the border of Quebec/Canada... Literally.. I can see Quebec from my house. Going over there is like being in a different country.. Francophones treat Anglophones like trash. They refuse to speak English, when it is forced upon every other province to speak French, and provide bilingual services almost everywhere. Yet in Quebec they dont believe they should have to offer bilingualism!

Everytime I have gone to Quebec, I have been treated terribly. My entire life. I am bilingual, and my family has strong Quebec ties. But my Ontario license plate is one cause for a lot of my mistreatment. I have been refused service in English in countless Quebec establishments. But that would be unacceptable if Francophones were refused service in French, in any other province! Double standard.

My Grandparents have lived in Quebec for over 70 years. Born and raised, just like my parents.

My grandfather flies the Canadian flag on a flagpole on land he has owned for 60 years, and he built his own house on that land. He worked for the Province for over 40 years. One day not long ago he had 4 Francophones approach his house and demand he raise the Fleur-de-Lis (Quebec Provincial Flag) up. He refused, and told them to get the off his land, they tried to bully him. I'm truly sad I wasn't there that day, I assure you.

Quite simply, I always refer to this.. Britain beat France (French Indian War 1754-1763), and Britain won. French should NEVER have been permitted to remain a dominant language... When Canada went to Confederation, in 1867, it should have refused to allow French a de facto language at Federal level. Both of my parents were born AND raised in Quebec. Alot of my family is anglophone/francophone. I was born and raised in Ontario, I learned French growing up as well, but I am very against bilingualism being a requirement in Canada. They're language should be revoked any, and all Federal rights.

My honest belief is if France won the war, English would have had no chance to survive in a French-Run Colony/Country.. The Brits bent over backwards to accommodate this ridiculousness. They should have put a foot down and refused any French demands!!

My question: What do you think of French Separatism in Quebec? And of the upcoming election with Separatists ahead?

Alot of the discontent in this Country stems from the bilingualism issue. That is how many identify themselves... Not in all cases, but many.

I have always disagreed with bilingualism and all the catering done by the Federal government to appease Quebec!

Final Thought:
Quebec will be a terrible place for Anglophones, and there are many!! Once this Separatist party comes to power, and that disappoints me.

[Tiberios]

Personally I find the idea of Quebec seperating from the rest of Canada, completely ridicoulus. But if the majority of the inhabitants in the area want this, then they are entitled too it. It just seems to be completely illogical and needless.

[ivan_the_terrible]

But if the majority of the inhabitants in the area want this, then they are entitled too it. It just seems to be completely illogical and needless.

I completely disagree, Kralle.


This Wilsonian nonsense has been shown to be a terrible idea time and again, yet it keeps getting repeated like some kind of universal truth.

It is not a sacred law: otherwise what's to stop every village from declaring its own country? What tangible benefit could independence possibly offer that autonomy does not, except for some vague, incorporeal and totally useless idea of national pride?

The moment a large majority of people come to a conclusion, it is legitimate.

That's populism and mob rule.

[Principe Alessandro]

That's populism and mob rule.

It's a synonymous for democracy.

This Wilsonian nonsense has been shown to be a terrible idea time and again, yet it keeps getting repeated like some kind of universal truth.

History has proven a lot of times that two or more nations cannot coexist in 1 state so I think that the Wilsonian idea comes from the many failures of the multicultural states.

[ivan_the_terrible]

It's a synonymous for democracy.

It is not. This is why most first world democracies have measures in place that prevent the majority from doing absolutely anything it wants simply because it is the majority.

History has proven a lot of times that two or more nations cannot coexist in 1 state so I think that the Wilsonian idea comes from the many failures of the multicultural states.

So...? History has also proven that two or more nations can coexist in one state. That there have been cases where it was as you say is certainly no basis for espousing Wilsonian 'self-determination' as some kind of universal truth or inherent right.

[Principe Alessandro]

It is not. This is why most first world democracies have measures in place that prevent the majority from doing absolutely anything it wants simply because it is the majority.

Democratic principles aren't fully applied in the so called democratic regimes, nevertheless this doesn't mean that a democratic will or the will of the people doesn't exist which is the foundation of the democratic principles.

So...? History has also proven that two or more nations can coexist in one state. That there have been cases where it was as you say is certainly no basis for espousing Wilsonian 'self-determination' as some kind of universal truth or inherent right.

Apart Switzerland tell me a multinational state where there aren't any secessionist movements or conflicts over the share of power between the various ethnic groups.

[Dance the older]

The issue is whether Canada will allow it. France has vowed to back Quebec's choice in the matter. That could lead to a whole different issue...

[Claudius Gothicus]

Is Quebec's economy enough to keep itself running without falling into a complete recession due to the market reduction and loss of aggregate demand? nationalistic dickwavings hardly analyze those facts.

[Dance the older]

Quebec is not selfsustaining in their Economy. They've whined for over 200 years for stronger rights, which I believe they have been given vastly more than most Countries would probably allow in a similar situation.

They would not be able to support themselves.

That's last on their mind. Creating their own "self identity" is more important to this political party. Quebec will be a terrible place for Anglophones, and there are many!! Once this Separatist party comes to power, and that disappoints me.

[Sphere]

Eat some putin and shut up.

People who use 20 yard endzones are not allowed to complain about their problems.

[Menelik_I]

Go ahead Quebec, make our day, the oil revenues from Alberta and Steven Harper aren't going to miss you.

Minus one mouth to feed.

[Stavroforos]

If the people of Quebec choose to separate, I will be very happy for them. Too long have they had to endure being the scapegoat for ROC's problems. I will be glad to see a Quebecois nation rise, and I am hopeful that they'd find staunch friends and allies to the great Republic south of their border, with which they have so much in common.

[Menelik_I]

I will be glad to see a Quebecois nation rise, and I am hopeful that they'd find staunch friends and allies to the great Republic south of their border, with which they have so much in common.

I don't think that our Frenchies from Quebec have much to do with the gun toting Yankee Rednecks ... maybe with Massachusetts, where the second language is French according to Kerry.

[Stavroforos]

I don't believe the US would rift between Canada, over Quebec....

Considering almost half Quebec supports not separating, I cannot see this being a good thing. Don't assume it's huge majority. It's minor, and even more minor in comparison with the rest of the Country.

Think of the families (such as mine), that will be effected by this rift. Most my family lives in Quebec, are Francophone, but are staunch against separatism.

Various friends I have who are French Quebecois are in support of separation. There would be no rift between Canada and the US over Quebec considering Quebec's leaving the Federation would be entirely legal and justified if the people of Quebec chose to do so.

I don't think that our Frenchies from Quebec have much to do with the gun toting Yankee Rednecks ... maybe with Massachusetts, where the second language is French according to Kerry.

ROC, the land where stereotypes are king.

[Dance the older]

I don't believe the US would rift between Canada, over Quebec....

Considering almost half Quebec supports not separating, I cannot see this being a good thing. Don't assume it's huge majority. It's minor, and even more minor in comparison with the rest of the Country.

Think of the families (such as mine), that will be effected by this rift. Most my family lives in Quebec, are Francophone, but are staunch against separatism.

[Sphere]

I don't believe the US would rift between Canada, over Quebec....

Considering almost half Quebec supports not separating, I cannot see this being a good thing. Don't assume it's huge majority. It's minor, and even more minor in comparison with the rest of the Country.

Think of the families (such as mine), that will be effected by this rift. Most my family lives in Quebec, are Francophone, but are staunch against separatism.

I think the solution to all this is to kidnap and kill the Labour Minister.

[Dance the older]

I think the solution to all this is to kidnap and kill the Labour Minister.

I believe Quebec had a group dedicated to such actions

[Dance the older]

Maybe in Louisianna

I truly wish Britain took a harsher stance when France folded in the War, 200 years ago. We'd be far better off!!!!!!!

It is a foolish notion to believe they will be able to support themselves when they whine and cry for the most money of all provinces!!! Self sustaining lmao...

[Hazelnut]

If their dumb enough to gain independence whilst Canada is on the verge of finally taking major advantage of their national resources, then I don’t see why any Canadian would want them.

[Dance the older]

It's more the complications their separatism would cause. Like I said, Anglophones would be treated like slaves under a Separatist party's rule.