The Star Trek Thread

[Darth Ravenous]

Did anyone catch the tribble?! There is a tribble in the movie as an easter egg but I totally forgot about trying to find it.




Like I said in my review, this is one of the few films I've been to where people actually applauded during and after the movie. Granted, those who applauded were most likely Trek fans but still. When was the last time we had anything to cheer for with Star Trek?!




And good word-of-mouth. Whereas Wolverine's popularity will drop drastically because of the negative word-of-mouth, Star Trek will only become more popular. It's funny how many of my friends who are not Trekkies actually talk to me about Star Trek and now want to know about the characters. It's like a new world!




I totally agree. There are some people who look way too much into Trek canon...when Trek has messed up its own canon so much.

Oh! Check out this hilarious video with Nimoy!

Have you written a review yet

[Lord Rahl]

Previous post: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...95#post5140095

I must also add to the review that the Enterprise in the new movie looks a lot better, and sexier, on screen than it does in the few screenshots we've seen published before. It's one thing to see photos and it's another to see the thing in action. There is a lot that I could add to the review actually... Maybe I'll add some later.

[ajm317]

There was a lot of things I liked about the movie...but I had 3 primary gripes:

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1. Spock was too emotional for my tastes. Ok, I understand that after Vulcan gets destroyed he's going to go a little loopy, and I understand that as a kid his training isn't complete but even setting those aside this guy didn't feel very Spock like. Apparently any knock on his mother is sufficient to get him to behave irrationally, and making out with Uhura? On the transporter pad in front of a half dozen crew members? A bit over the top.

2. The villain didn't make much sense. Why the hell is it the Federations fault Romulus get's destroyed by a supernova? (On a related note, why is it Spock's job to stop it? He's an ambassodar at that point. Don't the Romulans have their own scientists?) And why DOES a mining ship have weapons that can take out entire fleets? I mean, could a modern day fishing trawler destroy a 19th centry ironclad?

3. They blew up Vulcan.

This is my major complaint about the movie.

Vulcan? Did it really have to be Vulcan? From a Star Trek point of view, they might as well have blown up Earth.

It wouldn't bother me QUITE so much that they did it, except that they didn't make nearly a big enough deal about it. Oh sure, a couple people seemed upset at the time (in the way one might be upset if their dog died) and Spock went bonkers. At the end of the movie though, there's clapping, celebrations, uplifting music, and a general sense of "Yeah! Good guys win!" The vibe you're clearly meant to be left with is "Star Trek's back baby!" Apparently with the Earth saved and the bad guy dead every thing is fine. A couple Vulcans seemed miffed (well one Vulcan actually), but the humans barely even noticed.

But, the good guys DIDN'T win. The bad guys BLEW UP VULCAN. This is like giving a movie where terrorists blow up New York a happy ending because the good guys saved D.C. The movie uses Vulcan as a throw away "our villain is so bad ass he blew up Vulcan" plot device. Like when the Death Star destroys Alderaan, or some comic book villain levels Superman. The whole thing did not sit well with me. To continue with the Star Wars analogies, if you're going to blow up Vulcan the movie needs to have an Empire Strikes Back "damn we lost this one" kind of vibe. Not a New Hope "woohoo in your face Vader" kind of vibe. I kept waiting for them to go back and save it with some cliched time travel, but it never happened.

Other than those points, I thought it was good, but the last one did leave a bad taste in my mouth.

[Gelgoog]

come on early encounters with the borg!

[danzig]

Hehe would be cool just to see how Kirk deals with them vs Picard.

Borg:"Resistences is futile"
Kirk:"fire all phasers"
Borg:"what? wait arent you suppose to talk to us first, convince us to be friends?"
Kirk:"arm photon torpedos"
Borg:"hey wait stop that"

*several hours later after Kirk and the Borg Queen get it on peace agreement is reached and Borg become part of the Federation*

Kirk hooking up with 7 of 9....or Ferengi economic empire that dwarves the federation, klingon and romulans combined giving the Ferengi their rightful place as masters of the universe!

Btw anyone notice

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that kirk got beatup in EVERY fight he got into in the movie, he got beat down by Federation guys when hitting on Uhura, Spock kicks his ass, he gets his ass kicked on the mining platform and was doomed if not Sulu's Karate and sword and then gets another beatdown and almost died by a single Romulan. We must conclude then without training from his rather Kirk has zero fighting skills

[manofarms89]

I hope so because it would be cool to see, with this movie JJ has reignited interest (imo) in a big way so hopefully he will run with it and continue to produce quality films, including arcs like you mention. It definitely sets the stage for alot big stuff and considering JJ

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destroyed Vulcan and almost alll the Vulcans!

he isnt gun shy about throwing Trek universe shattering events into the mix.

me too. but personally i would like to have seen the film set way into the future, or maybe a film about Archer

come on early encounters with the borg!

now that would destroy canon.

[Gelgoog]

I really think what we need is a film that portrays an actual war. Kind of like those massive battles that DS9 did. Maybe we can just get the klingons rampaging through the federation. I wouldn't mind seeing more bio-organic enemies either. Either way the next movies have to be very epic in proportion. I think all these small scale bad guys are what tend to ruin the movies.

I don't know if you've ever read the comic Annihilation wave, but something on that scope would kick ass.



we need some xenomorphs!! hell maybe all the factions could band together against a scourge like that.

[manofarms89]

I really think what we need is a film that portrays an actual war. Kind of like those massive battles that DS9 did. Maybe we can just get the klingons rampaging through the federation. I wouldn't mind seeing more bio-organic enemies either. Either way the next movies have to be very epic in proportion. I think all these small scale bad guys are what tend to ruin the movies.

I don't know if you've ever read the comic Annihilation wave, but something on that scope would kick ass.



we need some xenomorphs!! hell maybe all the factions could band together against a scourge like that.

agreed

[Cluny the Scourge]

Did the Romulan ship remind anyone else of the scene from Wing Commander Prophecy of the alien dreadnought Tiamat, with those sealife-like arms sticking forward like that? It even emerges arms-forward from a cosmic Gateway-To-Somewhere-Else, just the same.

[Ketzerfreund]

we need some xenomorphs!!

Isn't there a TNG episode where Picard had to learn an opening speech towards an insect people (it was one of those holo-deck episodes where Picard plays a private eye)? He had to make sure that he got the pronounciation right, or else...

By the way, recently, when they showed "Generations" on tv, I've noticed that we hardly ever heard anything of NCC-1701B other than Kirk got into the Nexus there. How about a series about the B? With Alan Ruck as Captain John Harriman?

Ruck did play Harriman twice already, after all.

There is hardly any background about the time of service of the Enterprise B. We don't know about any major villains of that time. Was the Federation at war with anyone?
And what kind of a captain would John Harriman be? What kind of guy does he look like? What kinds of captains did we have so far?

NX-01
Jonathan Archer: Pragmatic and serious doer. Has a dog. Uniform looks like a plumber's jumpsuit.

NCC-1701(-A)
Robert Thomas April: =Gene Roddenberry
Christopher Pike: Serious (and humourless) and at times a bit clumsy and awkward. Has difficulties adopting to his surroundings.
James Tiberius Kirk: "Cool". Likes to brawl. Has a very close vulcan friend. Your typical comic book hero type. Likes to make "first intimate encounters" a lot.

NCC-1701-C
Rachel Garrett: Oh, how dutiful!

NCC-1701-D(/-E)
Jean-Luc Picard: French diplomat (<- sounds like an ai profile name in a Total War game). "Talker". Honourable. Bald. Gets a little impulsive in his later days on Enterprise E; must be a result from all the suppression of inner violence all these years on Enterprise D...


So, what kind of a captain would John Harriman of the Enterprise B be? One thing is for sure: It would be great to have a series with those red uniforms. They are the most "proper" looking ones and provoke the habit of a true military man.


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[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

Saw the film on saturday with my girfriend, (no I did not drag her there, she wanted to go) and I loved it! It evoked ToS but was still new and fresh, It was brilliant, unlike most new 'action' films it wasn't overly CGI'ed (I feared it might be like the Star Wars Prequels), it was really great. Can't wait to see the next one.

Also several members of Starfleet went to see it aswell, I wonder how they'll deal with vulcan being destroyed. (one was a vulcan)

[danzig]

Well the one positive for vulcans is "live long and prosper" is indeed good if not necessary advice now. We are all forgetting something vitally important here, is T'Pol alright and alive?! Vulcans live long so figure even a 130 yr old T'Pol is smoking hot. Forget warcrimes for genocide...harming this is an affront to all races! Death to the Romulans if T'Pol is dead!

[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

Well the one positive for vulcans is "live long and prosper" is indeed good if not necessary advice now. We are all forgetting something vitally important here, is T'Pol alright and alive?! Vulcans live long so figure even a 130 yr old T'Pol is smoking hot. Forget warcrimes for genocide...harming this is an affront to all races! Death to the Romulans if T'Pol is dead!

My girlfriend and I discussed the horrors of this possible happening. (yes, she likes T'pol too)

[Gelgoog]

Well the one positive for vulcans is "live long and prosper" is indeed good if not necessary advice now. We are all forgetting something vitally important here, is T'Pol alright and alive?! Vulcans live long so figure even a 130 yr old T'Pol is smoking hot. Forget warcrimes for genocide...harming this is an affront to all races! Death to the Romulans if T'Pol is dead!

didn't T'pol end up in America in the 30s or something like that? or was that her mother?



that darkly episode of enterprise was the best I have ever seen. The evil earth empire kicked some ass and T'pol in that outfit...mmmm yeah!

startrek+ xenomorph =

[EmperorJulian]

I'd like to voice my support for the Enterprise-B being brought back at some point. There's almost no canon to worry about when it comes to that ship and its crew, so changing things wouldn't mean much. It would also give some insight into a virtually unknown period of federation/starfleet history. Of course, its not likely to happen, but the idea I think is pretty solid. I wonder what the Excelsior-class would look like given the new stylization to the ships given in Star Trek Zero. They already appear to be on their way to making a sequel to the new movie, hard to say if we'll see a TV series again within the next 5-10 years, but I suspect at some point we will. Maybe it could compete directly with George Lucas' Live-Action Star Wars series? Wouldn't that be fascinating!

[B5C]

This proves that Paramount made the right plan to get rid of Brannon Braga and Rick Berman

[Lord Rahl]

Hey, let's not hate on them! Remember all of the great episodes that they gave us. It's not easy keeping things fresh when you're in charge of making literally hundreds of episodes! Especially when it's a show that historically has a sort of narrow fan base. Did Star Trek need a reboot? Most certainly, but is the downfall of Star Trek all Braga and Berman's fault? I don't think so.

[B5C]

Hey, let's not hate on them! Remember all of the great episodes that they gave us. It's not easy keeping things fresh when you're in charge of making literally hundreds of episodes! Especially when it's a show that historically has a sort of narrow fan base. Did Star Trek need a reboot? Most certainly, but is the downfall of Star Trek all Braga and Berman's fault? I don't think so.

They do need to receive some of the blame of Star Trek of the last 10 years. Look at Insurrection, Nemesis, and Enterprise.

[danzig]

This proves that Paramount made the right plan to get rid of Brannon Braga and Rick Berman

Ill echo Rahl, dont blame them they gave us some of the finest scifi on television ever and they deserve credit for that. Eventually however even the best people run out of gas when stuck on one project for so long.

[C-Rob]

I just accidentally watched star trek on the sci fi channel this week and I mus tsay, it is actually a pretty good show and I have mild enjoyment when viewing. It scared me at first that it was actually fun to watch. No wonder there are so many trekkies. It's a good show! It's sad that others don't see this.