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    A lot of people in the Muslim world are outraged because 20,000 (some day 100,000, others say 10,000) Muslims that have been killed in Burma.

    Where are they pulling out these numbers from? What sources do they have?

    And why are people sharing those Thai and Tibetan pictures on Facebook and portraying them as pictures from the Burmese genocide?
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    Meanwhile, Muslims are not outraged about how Muslims burned down Buddhist villages or beheaded Buddhists.
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    Meanwhile, Muslims are not outraged about how Muslims burned down Buddhist villages or beheaded Buddhists.
    Nor how they blew up thousand-year-old Buddhist statues which were World Heritage Sites.

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    Nor how they blew up thousand-year-old Buddhist statues which were World Heritage Sites.
    Because that's very relevant to the ethnic tensions in Burma, yes siree.

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    Because that's very relevant to the ethnic tensions in Burma, yes siree.
    But the OP does have a point, the nature of ethnic clashes may indeed be exaggerated by those who have an agenda to prove that Islam is under attack from others which plays right into the hands of extremists

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    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...che?page=0%2C1
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    Because that's very relevant to the ethnic tensions in Burma, yes siree.
    It just goes to show that Muslims aren't the poor wittle victims many of them would like the world to see them as.

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    It just goes to show that Muslims aren't the poor wittle victims many of them would like the world to see them as.
    I repeat, because the Buddha statues in Afghanistan are very relevant to this topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    Meanwhile, Muslims are not outraged about how Muslims burned down Buddhist villages or beheaded Buddhists.
    But of course acts of violence undertaken by Muslims doesn't make violent attacks on Muslims acceptable right?

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    But of course acts of violence undertaken by Muslims doesn't make violent attacks on Muslims acceptable right?
    Being Buddhists are not of the book, I will assume that violence against them is warranted and indeed holy.
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    i love how people still think bhuddism is the ever so peaceful religion
    Compared to the Abrahamic religions it pretty much is (which is its greatest weakness) read about ahimsa for example, and contrast it with the Islamic invasions that destroyed Buddhism in India and Central Asia, epitomized by Mohammad ibn Bakhtiar's sack of the famous monastery and library of Nalanda.

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    Oh this thread again...

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    One of those photos even has people with Tibetan flags in the background. It's like they aren't even bothering to photoshop the pictures...

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    And yet another show of Muslim victimism.

    One question though, have Buddhists ever really been the "mass slaughter" type? I just can't really see a Buddhists being the type to get riled up and go on a mass killing spree considering their religion basically says all religions are a way to reach Enlightenment, and thus there is no "wrong" religion. Tolerance and religious acceptance has constantly been a watchword in my reading of Buddhism. Could anyone provide examples of otherwise (that are true)? I am honestly curious. The idea of a "Buddhist Terrorist" just seems ridiculous in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John F. Kennedy View Post
    And yet another show of Muslim victimism.

    One question though, have Buddhists ever really been the "mass slaughter" type? I just can't really see a Buddhists being the type to get riled up and go on a mass killing spree considering their religion basically says all religions are a way to reach Enlightenment, and thus there is no "wrong" religion. Tolerance and religious acceptance has constantly been a watchword in my reading of Buddhism. Could anyone provide examples of otherwise (that are true)? I am honestly curious. The idea of a "Buddhist Terrorist" just seems ridiculous in my opinion.
    Perhaps you'll want to look into the tensions between Muslims and Hindus which caused the creation of Pakistan and India instead of just India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John F. Kennedy View Post
    One question though, have Buddhists ever really been the "mass slaughter" type? I just can't really see a Buddhists being the type to get riled up and go on a mass killing spree considering their religion basically says all religions are a way to reach Enlightenment, and thus there is no "wrong" religion. Tolerance and religious acceptance has constantly been a watchword in my reading of Buddhism. Could anyone provide examples of otherwise (that are true)? I am honestly curious. The idea of a "Buddhist Terrorist" just seems ridiculous in my opinion.
    There are many Buddhist groups and governments that have committed genocide. Though outside of Japan, the only recent ones (past century) I know of were all done in the name of ethnic nationalism, where Buddhism was part of their ethnic identity. Like in Sri Lanka, where the LTTE expelled and killed Muslims, but rather than to create a 'Buddhist state', it was to create a 'Tamil state', where Buddhism was part of the 'Tamil identity'. So they have been quasi-religious.

    However, that seems to be the case in most conflicts, like Israel vs Palestine, where the conflict is more about Israelis, who are mostly Jewish, and Palestinians, who are mostly Muslim, than a conflict between Jews and Muslims, or Saddam attacking Shiite Kurds (not just Shiites in general, but Kurdish shiites), or the Syrian civil war, where the conflict is against the ruling tribes who are mostly Shia, rather than against Shiites in general.

    Violence between religious groups usually isn't about religion alone. There always seem to be ethnic conflicts or political purposes behind it.

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    However, that seems to be the case in most conflicts, like Israel vs Palestine, where the conflict is more about Israelis, who are mostly Jewish, and Palestinians, who are mostly Muslim, than a conflict between Jews and Muslims, or Saddam attacking Shiite Kurds (not just Shiites in general, but Kurdish shiites), or the Syrian civil war, where the conflict is against the ruling tribes who are mostly Shia, rather than against Shiites in general.
    Ahem, the Kurds of north Iraq which Saddam attacked are sunni muslims. May be you confuse them with the Shia Arabs of South Iraq which Saddam attacked too.

    Only non-sunni Kurds I know are Alevi Kurds of Tunceli, Turkey. Alevi Kurds are similar to Shia like Protestans are similar to Catholics. That I do not know any Shia Kurds exists.
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    And yet another show of Muslim victimism.

    One question though, have Buddhists ever really been the "mass slaughter" type? I just can't really see a Buddhists being the type to get riled up and go on a mass killing spree considering their religion basically says all religions are a way to reach Enlightenment, and thus there is no "wrong" religion. Tolerance and religious acceptance has constantly been a watchword in my reading of Buddhism. Could anyone provide examples of otherwise (that are true)? I am honestly curious. The idea of a "Buddhist Terrorist" just seems ridiculous in my opinion.
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    Any one have a clear picture of what is going on? I heard that Davutoğlu visited these camps to see and distribute aid.
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