Rorarii and Accensi, should they be included?

[Rorarii]

ok, should CA include these, even if we can decide what they are!?

Rorarii - skirmishers ? young Aristocratic Triarii ?
Accensi - Levy spearmen ? poor clients (servants) to Aristocratic Triarii patons ????

R

[Shocked]

I wouldn't like to see these in there, so no ^_^.

[akkakk]

i'd love to see them in, just to flesh out the mid-late republican roster (if it isnt fleshed out already) but the major obstacle is that we know next to nothing about them.

The only thing we DO know about the Rorarii were less experienced than the Triarii, which could hint at very well equipped but inexperienced Triarii units.

The only thing we know for sure about the Accensi is that they were the least reliable troops in the whole legion, which may point to some sort of last ditch levy troop that was only used when it was absolutely necessary.

unless we have more info, they would be very hard to include as we dont even know what equipment they used, especially the Accensi, so personally, no, unless more information appeared.

EDIT: I'm also not sure they existed in the late-republican era (which the game will most likely start in).

[daelin4]

Reading up on those terms seems to indicate they were just precursor variants to Velites and Triarii. Both also seemed to have been phased out by the Polybian (re manipular) system came around. Some other wiki articles seem to assume Accensi as another earlier name for the velites.

If you go for creative liberty though, Rorarii could be in between Princepes and Triarii in quality and be a spear infantry but cheaper and lower quality than the latter. Accensi could just be cheap slinger skirmishers.

[Wodeson]

They're outside the time frame (too early) for Rome II, assuming the game starts at the Punic Wars.

[General George S. Patton]

I'v been researching rome, and they are 100% historically accurate so yes.

[Hasforth9]

I'v been researching rome, and they are 100% historically accurate so yes.

Thats great, Professor

[Davidicus II]

I think CA has managed to flesh out the unit rosters enough.

The real question is should we see the return of Arcanii? .

[denisvit]

The real question is should we see the return of Arcanii? .

Hehe it'd be fun for them to return, but I'd expect them to have a unit cap like great guard in S2.

About the OP's units ... ermm I guess it would be interesting from a historical sense, but I'd only like to see them if there aren't enough units for the given time frame of those units (so basically as others have said ... Only if the unit roster isn't fleshed out already )

[General George S. Patton]

Hehe it'd be fun for them to return, but I'd expect them to have a unit cap like great guard in S2.

About the OP's units ... ermm I guess it would be interesting from a historical sense, but I'd only like to see them if there aren't enough units for the given time frame of those units (so basically as others have said ... Only if the unit roster isn't fleshed out already )

Rorarii and Accensi are by no mean oped units, they are more along the lines of hastati and velites

[denisvit]

Rorarii and Accensi are by no mean oped units, they are more along the lines of hastati and velites

I didn't mean OP as in overpowered ... OP is also an abbreviation for Original Poster ...

[Yomamashouse]

It depends on the timeframe. Pre-punic war era armies should get them.

[EmperorBatman999]

Right now it seems every obscure unit that ends in i or ii is being suggested. I think this is getting to the point where none of this stuff is necessary.

Also, I think Sharpe has a point. If they're more like hastati nd velites, why even include them in the first place?

[IGdood]

From EB...


Leves (Camillan Skirmishers)


They can be recruited in the central Italian provinces Latium, Umbria, Etruria, Apulia, Liguria and Campania. These are the heartlands of the Res Publica, filled with our colonies founded during the epic struggles of the past centuries.
The Leves are the legion's front line skirmishers. In a pitched battle they will screen the legion's main battle line during the advance and harass the enemy. Before the heavy infantry engages trumpeteers signal them to retreat through the gaps in the Roman line and reform in the rear of the formation, or on the wings with the cavalry.
The leves are armed with the gaesum, light javelins of Iberian style, a short thrusting spear and a small, but strong round shield. They wear no armour despite a helmet.
Historically, the roman infantry of the late 4th and early 3rd century BC was divided by wealth in two groups. Those with the lowest property classification for military service were fighting as light infantry, separated by fighting ability into the Leves, Rorarii and Accensi. The second, more wealthy group consisted of those fighting as heavy infantry, separated by their age and fighting ability into Hastati, Principes, and Triarii.
Every male roman had the duty to serve in the infantry for 16 years, or 20 years in the case of national emergency, until he had completed his 46th year of life. (Excepting those rated high enough by the censor to be members of the ordo equester.) Normally, every roman must have served at least ten years in the military before he was permitted to hold any political office.



Accensi (Republican Light Reserves)


They can be recruited in the central Italian provinces Latium, Umbria, Etruria, Apulia, Liguria and Campania. These are the heartlands of the Res Publica, filled with our colonies founded during the epic struggles of the past centuries.
Accensi are light reserve troops placed behind the Triarii and Rorarii in the legion's battle formation. They are too poor to have any real equipment besides a sling, and in most cases too old or not experienced or skilled enough to use this effectively. Still, they are better than nothing.\n\n
Historically, the roman infantry of the late 4th and early 3rd century BC was divided by wealth in two groups. Those with the lowest property classification for military service were fighting as light infantry, separated by fighting ability into the Leves, Rorarii and Accensi. The second, more wealthy group consisted of those fighting as heavy infantry, separated by their age and fighting ability into Hastati, Principes, and Triarii.
Every male roman had the duty to serve in the infantry for 16 years, or 20 years in the case of national emergency, until he had completed his 46th year of life. Excepting those rated high enough by the censor to be members of the ordo equester. Normally every roman must have served at least ten years in the military before he was permitted to hold any political office.


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Rorarii (Camillan Reserve Skirmishers)

They can be recruited in the central Italian provinces Latium, Umbria, Etruria, Apulia, Liguria and Campania. These are the heartlands of the Res Publica, filled with our colonies founded during the epic struggles of the past centuries.
Rorarii are reserve skirmishers that are placed behind the Triarii in the legion's battle formation. They can be used to fill gaps and support wavering lines but they can’t be expected to hold whole sections of the battle line by themselves.
The Rorarii are armed with a hasta spear, javelins of the light Iberian gaesum type, and carry an early version of the scutum. They do not wear armour, but wear a helmet.\n\n
Historically, the roman infantry of the late 4th and early 3rd century BC was divided by wealth in two groups. Those with the lowest property classification for military service were fighting as light infantry, separated by fighting ability into the Leves, Rorarii and Accensi. The second, more wealthy group consisted of those fighting as heavy infantry, separated by their age and fighting ability into Hastati, Principes, and Triarii.
Every male roman had the duty to serve in the infantry for 16 years, or 20 years in the case of national emergency, until he had completed his 46th year of life. Excepting those rated high enough by the censor to be members of the ordo equester. Normally every roman must have served at least ten years in the military before he was permitted to hold any political office.

Rorarii are reserve skirmishers that can be used to fill gaps and support wavering lines but they can’t be expected to hold whole sections of the battle line by themselves.

[General George S. Patton]

Pre polybian system legions should use them (aka the camillian system)

[Rorarii]

"Rorarii are reserve skirmishers ..." ??? ..

ok, that's a newy on me.

R

[IGdood]

"Rorarii are reserve skirmishers ..." ??? ..

ok, that's a newy on me.

R

Except I use the poor guys as sword/spear/arrow fodder while the hastati, principes, and triarii stand around in the rear.

They're decent at that job.....

[jimmy425]

i would want them just for variety and the people who dont want them could just not use them