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    Very interesting developments in terms of the shadow war that's been raging between Iran and the Western intelligence agencies (plus Israel) for a couple years now. With Assad increasingly looking to be on borrowed time, the higher ups in Tehran must be putting an awful lot of pressure on the IRGC to get results, if only as a some form of face-saving measure.

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    In Syria and around the world, Iran’s covert operatives are in trouble.

    The powerful Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, its infamous expeditionary unit, the Quds Force, and the network of Hezbollah operatives it supports around the world, are starting to look like the proverbial gang that couldn’t shoot straight. They’re still dangerous, to be sure, but a series of recent incidents widely attributed to these groups suggest that as spies, assassins, and terrorists, they just aren’t what they used to be. And Tehran is getting worried.

    According to sources in the Iranian capital, concerns about IRGC inadequacies are fueling the bitter infighting among Iran’s elites at a critical time: the war in Syria threatens to bring down Iran’s most vital Arab ally, the confrontation with Israel and the West over Iran’s nuclear program has provoked devastating sanctions, and a military attack on Iran by Israel still looms as a distinct possibility. This is a bad moment for the Iranians to discover their fearsome covert operatives are essentially incompetent.

    Last weekend, for instance, Syrian rebels captured a group of 48 Iranians who were alleged to be IRGC members on “a reconnaissance mission” in Damascus. Rumors have circulated extensively in Tehran (a very rumor-prone city) that the head of the Quds Force, Qasem Suleimani himself, was wounded recently when his convoy was attacked in Damascus. Over the last year, at least nine apparent Iranian assassination and bomb plots around the world have failed or been thwarted. The grim attack on a bus full of Israeli tourists in Bulgaria last month, which killed seven people and wounded 30, appears to have been the exceptional “success” for these murderers rather than the rule.

    On almost every front in a wide-ranging covert war with Israel and the United States, Iran appears to be suffering major setbacks. Its nuclear program was disrupted by the Stuxnet computer worm in 2010 and at least one virus since. Its scientists have been attacked and five of them murdered. According to one source, recent leaks provided Western intelligence services with detailed information about work on the Iranian nuclear program at the Parchin military complex, which may have encouraged the Americans and their allies to toughen their stand in the faltering talks meant to defuse the crisis.

    As always in covert wars, denial is part of the picture, and sometimes a kind of perverse affirmation. The Iranian government denies any connection to the various alleged plots over the last year in the United States, Cyprus, India, Thailand, and Bulgaria, even though they are widely seen as attempted retaliation for the attacks on its scientists. (Iranian state television broadcast a documentary film on Sunday, Terror Club, that included “confessions” by Iranians who said they had been trained in Israel to carry out the murders of Iran’s nuclear scientists. Israel has never officially acknowledged a role in the killings.) Last month, intelligence analysts at the New York City Police Department prepared a detailed chronology of nine alleged Iran-backed plots in other cities around the world this year, all of them apparently aimed at Jewish targets. The NYPD stepped up security around several similar sites in New York City.

    Some of the alleged IRGC plots appear so convoluted it’s hard to believe they were ever serious, or, indeed, ever existed. Would the Iranians really have tried to hire members of a Mexican drug cartel to kill the Saudi ambassador to Washington in a crowded D.C. restaurant last year? Mansour Arbabsiar, an Iranian-American former used-car salesman from Texas, whose lawyers say is bipolar, is awaiting trial in New York for his alleged role as a middleman in that plot.

    The Iranian government insists the Iranian citizens who are now “hostages” in Syrian rebel hands were mere religious pilgrims visiting the Shia shrine of Sayyida Zeinab in Damascus. But Tehran says it will hold the United States responsible for their treatment.

    The back and forth of denial and recrimination is reminiscent of events 30 years ago in Lebanon, when Iranian agents were captured by hostile militias and the retaliation came in the form of multiple Iranian-backed kidnappings that targeted American journalists, a CIA station chief, an American colonel, and other Westerners.

    Back then, however, the Iranians and their agents working under the government’s Ministry of Intelligence (MOIS) showed impressive, if frightening, tradecraft. Throughout the 1980s and early '90s, the Iranians pulled off a series of assassinations targeting opponents of the regime in Paris, Geneva, Rome, Vienna, and elsewhere. Sometimes they used guns and sometimes car bombs, as in two attacks on Jewish targets in Argentina that took more than 100 lives in the early '90s. On August 6, 1981, Iranian agents murdered a former Iranian prime minister, Shapour Bakhtiar, in his own heavily guarded house outside of Paris with a knife from his kitchen, then calmly walked out the front door.

    In recent years, however, especially since the political upheaval following rigged presidential elections in 2009, the MOIS has been pushed aside in many areas by the separate, independent, and much clumsier IRGC. “You read about ‘the elite IRGC’ and the ‘elite Quds Force,’” says a veteran American operative in the counterterror wars. “Well, there is nothing ‘elite’ about the IRGC. It’s not the MOIS, which has a certain elegance.”

    “They are using Hezbollah operatives where they can find them, or borrow them, and they are willing to use criminal elements,” says the American operative. “That’s what happens when you try to push out nine plots in six months. One maybe, or two. But nine—you get sloppy.”

    According to one of our correspondents in the region who is in close contact with various governmental sources in Iran, senior leaders of the regular Iranian army, which has been sidelined for decades as the IRGC gained strength, are now accusing the IRGC of squandering precious military resources and political capital in its efforts to save the Syrian regime of Bashar al-Assad. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has been a major Assad supporter, according to these sources, supplying expensive military hardware to help bolster the regime. His IRGC allies advised al-Assad early on to hang tough and forget about reforms, much as they had done when suppressing the popular protests in Iran in 2009.

    Any Iranian leadership might have taken this stand—reluctant to lose such a strategically important ally and a critical link to the powerful Hezbollah forces in Lebanon--but Ahmadinejad and Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei have become rivals, and Khamenei may use the record of IRGC failures to force out commanders who haven’t supported him in these intramural fights.

    According to our correspondent, who is not named for security reasons, a “mole hunt” has begun inside the Quds Force, looking for the source or sources of mismanagement and potentially disastrous leaks to hostile intelligence forces. As in many bureaucracies, it is easier to blame conspirators than incompetents. Meanwhile, the deadly game of spy and counterspy continues.

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    Everyone knows the sanctions have hurt. The economy is crippled. No doubt they are scrambling for some sort of result to strike back.

    Idiots, just give in already. You aren't going to be allowed to have a nuke, and the worse it gets in your country the more likely the people will turn against you, not the Great Satan. Just ask any number of Dictators in the Muslim world, well, the alive ones anyway.

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    The more failures they face, the more desperate they will get, and from then on, it could potentially be an interesting spiral downwards.

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    Iran is losing neutral countries with their rhetoric.
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    Syria is a proxy war between NATO/US interests and Russian/Iranian interests. The Iranians and Russians don't want to lose their ally/real estate in a key part of the region. So they will go to great lengths to support Assad, though there's only so much they can do at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mov View Post
    Syria is a proxy war between NATO/US interests and Russian/Iranian interests. The Iranians and Russians don't want to lose their ally/real estate in a key part of the region. So they will go to great lengths to support Assad, though there's only so much they can do at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by white-wolf View Post
    Like sending Basji in guise of pilgrims?
    I will admit, circumstances are suspicous given:

    "Some of these (Iranians) were retired Revolutionary Guards and military members ... and others were from different departments," said Iran's foreign minister, Ali Akbar Salehi, after flying to Ankara to seek Turkish help. But he denied they had military connections and insisted they were in Damascus for a Shia pilgrimage.
    I wouldn't be surprised though if Iran is actually sending Revolutionary Guard to fight for Assad. There was one report that civilians were saying they heard Persian speaking soldiers. I can't say though for this particular case with those supposed pilgrims.
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    I'm not really convinced by this whole Arab Spring thing being pro-western/Israeli. The fundamental, backing reason why the people rebelled is because they were poor and downtrodden, but they aren't going to be any less so with their dictators gone. Eventually, the poor, young people of these Arab states will realize that their enemies are primarily external -- kind of like the French did.
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    Israel the rogue state winning a shadow war against Iran the rogue state while Great Satan playing as puppet master behind the scene? What a best show we have in last decade!!

    But who cares? In the end the winner is still a rogue state, Israel or Iran.
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    International politics seems to be mostly opportunism. To say that the West plotted, manipulated or caused in any way the so-called "Arab Spring" would be wrong. On the other hand, to say that the West doesn't hope to gain in some way (or more likely, make their strategic opponents lose out) would also be wrong.

    And it's funny to see Iranian spinning and back-pedalling over the hostages in Syria. "They used to be in the Army but aren't any longer" puts me in mind of a seven year-old saying "It was like that when I found it."
    Proxy warfare has been an Iranian MO for as long as anyone can remember and as the OP's article correctly points out, they used to be very very good at it. It's interesting that they seem to be losing their touch now. Perhaps a few too many necks were stuck out in Iraq and Afghanistan, and now there's something of a talent drain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Alcotroll View Post
    To say that the West plotted, manipulated or caused in any way the so-called "Arab Spring" would be wrong.
    This is funny to me considering all of this started because of US monetary policy chasing people out of bonds and into commodities and then the stock market but only after prices on nearly every commodity doubled, tripled and in some cases quintupled.

    It's really hard to feed yourself and your family when the price of chickpeas and onions go up 300% in 3 months and who are you gonna blame when the Government owns all the granaries and warehouses?

    Want proof? Eh, just google QE and the Arab Spring. Plenty of sources out there are theorizing it. It'll be some guy's PhD thesis in a decade or so and he'll win the Nobel Prize.

    Beware the comments about "oh well Fed purchases happened after food prices shot up". In the trading world everything happens on the hint of a whisper and nothing happens on action unless it's a massive action. Just even talking about another QE will probably send food commodities soaring again.

    Oddly enough the only thing westerners cared about going up during the QE shenanigans was gold, but even then the masses refused to blame QE.............oh my but the whispers of another round have started again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by I WUB PUGS View Post
    This is funny to me considering all of this started because of US monetary policy chasing people out of bonds and into commodities and then the stock market but only after prices on nearly every commodity doubled, tripled and in some cases quintupled.

    It's really hard to feed yourself and your family when the price of chickpeas and onions go up 300% in 3 months and who are you gonna blame when the Government owns all the granaries and warehouses?

    Want proof? Eh, just google QE and the Arab Spring. Plenty of sources out there are theorizing it. It'll be some guy's PhD thesis in a decade or so and he'll win the Nobel Prize.

    Beware the comments about "oh well Fed purchases happened after food prices shot up". In the trading world everything happens on the hint of a whisper and nothing happens on action unless it's a massive action. Just even talking about another QE will probably send food commodities soaring again.

    Oddly enough the only thing westerners cared about going up during the QE shenanigans was gold, but even then the masses refused to blame QE.............oh my but the whispers of another round have started again...

    With the stroke of a pen Helicopter Ben changed the Arab world. Economic Warfare at its finest.
    I don't have a damn clue what QE is, but I do know that one of the primary triggers of mass demonstrations in most of the countries that have been part of the Arab Spring is heinously high food prices. Things kind of went from there.
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    Interesting read, but I still back cock-up over conspiracy.

    If America really has sabotaged the strength of its own currency in order to trigger the Arab Spring then they must surely be disapointed with the results. Gadaffi was a nonentity, for all his flamboyance- his recent attempts to cosy up to the west had alienated him within the Arab world. Mubarak was the closest thing to secular that its possible to be in the middle East; he was a US ally in the region, and Egypt was one of the few states that had actually attempted to normalise relations with Israel. I doubt the Muslim Brotherhood will have similar priorities.

    Then there's Syria itself: There's no guarantee that Assad will lose his grip on power; rebel victory in Aleppo is by no means guaranteed, and if they lose then an indefinate and indecisive stalemate seems likely. One thing that has emerged is the proliferation of jihadi groups looking for more manpower and on-the-job training. If the old regime falls, there'll be a nasty squabble between the FSA and the jihadis, and I don't think that the winners will have much admiration for the west anyway.
    Iran of course, despite their continued internal troubles, shows no sign of succumbing to the revolutionary fervour that has swept through the rest of the region.

    If this really is economic warfare at its finest, I don't think I'm in any danger of losing my job.

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    No, I don't think it was on purpose, I think it was a giant F U to the whole world saying we can do what we want and you will pay so we can take out more loans at zero interest to pay for our broken budget.

    Bernanke doesn't do foreign policy, it's not in his job description and he's an academic who spent his whole life reading about the Depression. I doubt he cares what his policies do to poor people in the 3rd World.

    I should've said accidental Economic Warfare. At least I hope so, we have some sick people running this country if it wasn't.

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    It wasn't just in the Arab world, it was all over. It's just that it went violent in the Arab countries. I remember hearing a report on NPR about India where women were complaining that onions were like 5 times the normal price and apparently Indians eat like a million onions a day.

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    Down the road, a biography of GWB will claim that the invasion of Iraq sparked off the wave of uprisings in North Africa.

    After early successes in covert operations, the IRGC might have become complacent, and may have been infiltrated by non-sympathizers; their foreign accomplices might also have been compromised and under surveillance.

    I don't know the situation in Iran, but if the IRGC is the primary prop for the Ayatollahs rule, then a major scandal which destroys the IRGC credibility might result in regime change, or at least in Teheran, where they tend to be more liberal.
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    You want real significant change for the entire world - then Syria would be a start, with Iran being the ultimate target. If not significant change within Iran, then a great marginalization of its power.


    Quote Originally Posted by Condottiere 40K View Post
    Down the road, a biography of GWB will claim that the invasion of Iraq sparked off the wave of uprisings in North Africa.
    For decades most every Western intelligence agency spoke of wholesale change in the Muslim world that would spark from one single regime change. Those in Europe had hoped that it would be organic with Turkey simply existing as it has. In the late 90's, and after 9/11 the prospects of that became less realistic. Turkey didn't live up to what European politicians had stipulated for many years both publicly privately and the EU negotiations freeze was a result.

    Egypt was always ruled out in the sense of outside intervention - but topped the list of the Arab countries.

    It was the British back in mid 90's that pushed the US the most towards engineering a potential coup in Iraq. That coup was a reality, until being called off in the 11th hour. The US always believed that it was more of a 50/50 that Iraq could actually be that spark. The Brits were more optimistic and even if it wasnt you still remove a truly bad guy and free up oil as the prospects of nationalizing the oil industry were smallest in Iraq. And if other countries saw a good partnership with Iraq and international oil, with big profits all around, there would be less chance that other countries would nationalize.

    Even the French explored what they could do in North Africa (see Tunisia where the popular movement began, unsurprisingly).

    It was the US that kept the status quo out of fear of the unknown. And that fact that it would be us that would potentially be shouldering the load where needed. Everyone was making money and expending hundreds of billions just wasn't popular in congress every time it was trying to be sold.

    Decades down the line someone far more intelligent than I will connect all the dots and make an undeniable case that Iraq played a significant role. GWB will just be the man running the country with the assets to make the spark possible. And then there is still the debate about whether it was worth it. Right now nobody wants to hear anything more about Iraq or GWB. And even decades down the road it will be a difficult pill to swallow for most.

    And of course there are people who will make the exact opposite argument. That the Arab spring would have somehow happened sooner with the world watching a dictator fall. Without watching people vote freely under the threat of violence from fellow Muslims who took their cues from terrorists and an Arab political party to which said dictator belonged, and that were believed to pull a lot of the strings of repression in the Arab world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Condottiere 40K View Post
    Down the road, a biography of GWB will claim that the invasion of Iraq sparked off the wave of uprisings in North Africa.
    I would pay good money to read said biography. If only to marvel at the extraordinary mental gymnastics used to arrive at that particular conclusion.

    It wouldn't do any favors for how Dubya is perceived intelligence wise either.

    'Hey guys! I helped kick-start the uprisings which toppled some of our most erstwhile regional allies! Score!'

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    I WUB PUGS is actually spot on , food prices have tripled or quadrupled sending people into riot mode .
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    The more Iran is getting bullied and harassed by US and Israel the more they'll want to resist. Sanctions or no sanctions, Iran will get a nuke sooner or later. Judging by the past decade, thats the only way to guarantee that your country won't get "liberated" through bombs and shells.

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