The Dany hating [Do I have to specify that there'll be spoilers?]

[Brenden_Tully]

how did we come from danearys to catalyn. its like coming from robb to cersei... (as an extreme example)

[Mount Suribachi]

how did we come from danearys to catalyn. its like coming from robb to cersei... (as an extreme example)

Because this thread is about the hating of Dany and its extremeness. I have pointed out that I believe Catelyn is much more deserving of the hatred that Dany receives.

She is much given to the unconscious prejudices of her birth and class. The worst part of her for me was that she thought she should be utterly forgiven for what she had done because, oh, I'm a mother! She should have been begging for a tower cell to spend the rest of her life in.

Exactly. By all the laws of justice, she committed treason and her head should be on a spike. She is very lucky that not only is Robb not Ned, he also fell into bed with that Westerling tart. It really, really annoys me that Catelyn thinks the whole point of the War of 5 Kings is for her to get Sansa and Arya back

[Brenden_Tully]

Because this thread is about the hating of Dany and its extremeness. I have pointed out that I believe Catelyn is much more deserving of the hatred that Dany receives.



Exactly. By all the laws of justice, she committed treason and her head should be on a spike. She is very lucky that not only is Robb not Ned, he also fell into bed with that Westerling tart. It really, really annoys me that Catelyn thinks the whole point of the War of 5 Kings is for her to get Sansa and Arya back

hahahahha she is so stupid and frustrating just thinking about it!!!!

[Mount Suribachi]

Not to mention, its her freeing of Jaime that leads directly to the Karstarks murdering the Frey + Lannister squires, the execution of Rickard Karstark, and the Karstarks abandoning Robb for Roose Bolton

[Vahir]

*Sigh* Maybe you are right. I still don't want to find out at the end of the series (if GRRM doesn't bite the dust first). They are the two most interesting characters (even though I hate Littlefinger for betraying Neddy) more interesting than that incompetent Danny. But I guess it will be something to look forward to and keep my interest in the series alive. On the point of Danny, I wouldn't want her to have any more POV's because well, she is dumb? Lol. She claims she is the 'rightfull' ruler of the seven kingdoms but when she finally rallies an army that is competent in warfare what does she do? Stays in Meereen to care for her 'children' while every other Free City besieges her only to make her undo everything she has achieved. Also, I hate how she depicts herself as the rightful ruler of Westeros seeing as how she lost her birthright when Rhaegar died on the Trident, Right of Conquest. Her ignorant statements proves that she can't rule Westeros because she doesn't even know how politics work there. Thats why I dont want Danny to have anymore POV's.

Peace

I've been re-reading the Dany chapters, and I find that she actually isn't as stupid as a lot of people make her out to be. She follows her moral code, just like Eddart, and it brings her trouble. She didn't abandon her children to starve to death or to be enslaved again because she wants to protect them. Game of Thrones, I find, has a lot of actions and decisions that, in hindsight, were horrible, but at the time the characters who did them honestly thought it was for the best. As for her constant demands of Westeros, well, she was raised by Viserys Targaryen, A.K.A. Mr. "I want my crown". She has people constantly telling her that she's the rightful ruler of Westeros, and she kind of is (Barring Aegon, but she doesn't know about that).

[Dragus]

No hatred here. She's my favorite character. (With Littlefinger in close second, then Tyrion third, and Tywin at number four.)

[HouseStarkFTW]

I guess you are right Vahir. She doesn't seem that bad anymore. Jorah should have told her though, that neither her nor her brother was the rightful ruler of Westeros. Well, Viserys probably would have tried to kill him for mentioning that but I think Danny would have been more understanding. To the posts saying how Catelyn is worse than Danny, you are right. Every decision she made hurt Robb in some ways. When she released Jaime Robb lost the one piece of leverage he had over the Lannisters.

[Mhaedros]

The thing is that those hundreds of thousands of people she "helped" aren't her children, and probably would've been much better off by being a slave, but at the same time having a place to sleep at and getting food everyday. The smart thing to do would have been to get a fleet as fast as possible, take her Unsullied and burn Meereen to the ground. Dany doesn't belong in the Slaver's Bay, just like she doesn't belong anywhere else.

[HouseStarkFTW]

If she had burned Meereen to the ground, she would have been no better than the Mad King. The Mad King nearly burned Kings Landing to the ground and would have if Jaime didn't stop him. The only reason I slightly respect her is that she loves her people so much that she would not abandon them (not saying I agree with her decision to stay. I too think it was really stupid of her to stay in Slavers Bay). Also, where would she have gotten the fleet? Is this before or after the Free Cities besieged her? If it is after that, she couldn't go anywhere because she is blockaded.

[Prophet1331]

I think that at one point the alliance between the Slavers, Qarth and whoever else went against her (from the Free Cities only Volantis despises her and it only started against her) offered her several ships for her to take all her supporters and go to Westeros, but she refused. However I'm not sure if there wasn't some trap or something related to that offer.

[HouseStarkFTW]

They did want her Dragons. So yeah, probably was a trap.

[ccllnply]

They did want her Dragons. So yeah, probably was a trap.

No it wasn't, Xaro Xhoan Daxos came from Qarth with 13 ships and told her to leave Slaver's Bay

They just wanted her out of there because she was screwing up their trade. The stupid whore......

[Vahir]

No it wasn't, Xaro Xhoan Daxos came from Qarth with 13 ships and told her to leave Slaver's Bay

They just wanted her out of there because she was screwing up their trade. The stupid whore......

This kind of post is exactly why I created this thread. Dany refused because there was no way she could fit all her children in them, and there was no way she would leave them behind. She didn't want to make another Astapor, another Eroeh.

I have been more Khal than queen, smashing and plundering, then moving on.

No, she didn't want to leave her thousands of followers, who called her mother, to die horrible deaths. I don't know about you, but I find that perfectly natural. The better move might have been to skip visiting Astapor, but what's done is done.

[ccllnply]

This kind of post is exactly why I created this thread. Dany refused because there was no way she could fit all her children in them, and there was no way she would leave them behind. She didn't want to make another Astapor, another Eroeh.

He gave her the ships because she causing chaos for the slavers. If she had of left then that would have been the end of it. All her "children" probably would have been killed or at least definitely enslaved again but now that she stayed thousands are dying because of it.

Basically, I shouldn't have got all self-righteous and tried to save everyone. I think it was Tyrion that said something about people rather living as a slave than dying free.

To be honest, I don't even hate Dany. I remember when I was in the middle of reading the series and seeing threads like this, I used to wonder why people hated Dany as well but as I got towards the last few books, I just found her chapters unbelievably boring and dreaded reading them. That's when she lost me as a follower

[Dyflinn432]

I don't hate her but she is very stupid, why hold onto Merren i thought she wanted to reclaim her throne.. and i was furious during ADWD when she kept 2 of her dragons locked up (and never visited them), let one escape and made very little effort to chase him down juts paid the farmers whoes familys where killed by him and that business with Daario, to sum her up in one word .... Foolish

[Vahir]

He gave her the ships because she causing chaos for the slavers. If she had of left then that would have been the end of it. All her "children" probably would have been killed or at least definitely enslaved again but now that she stayed thousands are dying because of it.

Basically, I shouldn't have got all self-righteous and tried to save everyone. I think it was Tyrion that said something about people rather living as a slave than dying free.

To be honest, I don't even hate Dany. I remember when I was in the middle of reading the series and seeing threads like this, I used to wonder why people hated Dany as well but as I got towards the last few books, I just found her chapters unbelievably boring and dreaded reading them. That's when she lost me as a follower

Her followers would be punished if not outright killed. You can be certain they'd be made to suffer, as they're essentially runaway slaves.

I think that there's a difference in morality here between you and me, because, in my opinion, there are some evils in this world that are worth fighting against, even if people die. Crazy, I know.


Edit: I mean, seriously, that's like saying that we should leave Ramsay to rule the north, because, hey, if we tried to stop him thousands would die.

I don't hate her but she is very stupid, why hold onto Merren i thought she wanted to reclaim her throne.. and i was furious during ADWD when she kept 2 of her dragons locked up (and never visited them), let one escape and made very little effort to chase him down juts paid the farmers whoes familys where killed by him and that business with Daario, to sum her up in one word .... Foolish

She held on to Meereen because she couldn't realistically get to Westeros with all her followers, and she refused to leave them behind for them to die horrible deaths or be enslaved again. Again, she didn't want to leave Meereen to be sacked like Astapor. Eddart told Cersei his plan because he didn't want more dead children, Dany refused to leave because she didn't want another Eroeh.

The dragons are a problem that she had no other answer for than to lock them up. Even Aegon and his sisters locked up their dragons. If you have an alternative solution to deal with giant murderous monsters that eat people, I'd like to hear it. Granted, she could have visited them more often.

Finally, I don't see what the problem with Daario is. Sleeping with him is no more foolish than Tyrion was for sleeping with Shae, or Robb for sleeping with the Jeyne.

[Dragus]

[Dragus]

Gods forbid the magical dragon queen of the known world disrupts your immoral libertarian's wet dream eastern slave trade.

[ButtSwag]

Astapor gave her the Unsullied though, and without them she would not be anywhere near as powerful. She shouldn't have freed all the slaves in Astapor.

[Mhaedros]

Not really, because Dany is a girl without any real followers except an army of mercenary eunuchs, who has no claim whatsoever on anything in the Slaver's Bay, and yet she goes there, disrespects their culture, poops on everything they like, and free the slaves, who will only get it worse than before. Sure, they weren't free to do whatever the hell they wanted, but they had food and shelter. Saying they are her "children" is just ridiculous. Its someone from the US went to India, burned down a city and then told the people without jobs they are free to do whatever they like, while screwing up the lives of the commoners and the rich. How long do you think that would work? The only thing Dany has done in the Slaver's Bay is killing hundreds of thousands of innocents and putting people like the Butcher king in charge.