The Dany hating [Do I have to specify that there'll be spoilers?]

[intel]

I wonder what would have happened if Viserys replaced her in her storyline.

Thanks, now I will never get the image of Viserys being sex-slave to a Dothraki warlord out of my head

[Feanaro Curufinwe]

I didn't mean like that...

I meant Viserys having Dragons and replacing her in her story arc past book 1.Namely it would be a failure, but a hilarious instead of a boring one.

[Mhaedros]

It doesn't really matter what you think, it's about what GM thinks

[Fürst Frederic]

How does the Dany hating have anything at all to do with what GM thinks?Its about the other people's opinion(what they think!).....

[FelipeÁvila]

One does not simply walk into westeros.

[Mount Suribachi]

She could have hated Rhaegar, but still loved the child. Cersei tells Sansa the same thing about having Joffrey's children.

[Mount Suribachi]

OK, crackpot theory time.

Since someone suggested that Dany might have the bloopy flux (I thought she had the squits from drinking dirty water, but maybe not). She dies of the bloody flux when she returns to Meereen. Moqorro arrives with Victarion and gives her the fiery kiss to bring her back to life. Dany is one head of the dragon.

Head #2 is widely thought to be Jon Snow, who has been killed on The Wall, only to be brought back to life by Melisandre's fiery kiss.

Are we spotting a pattern here? Who else has been brought back to life with a fiery kiss....

Lady Stoneheart is the 3rd head of the dragon! You heard it here first kids

[Valandur]

I'm late to this thread.

Reasons why people hate Dany -

- She seems to believe Westeros is hers by right (no doubt what Viserys told her) and pretty much states that wherever she goes, "I will take what is mine".
- She exiles Jorah despite everything he did for her. Without him she would've died off in Vaes Dothrak.
- She refuses to listen to Barristan when he states the reasons why Robert rebelled and how ed up her dad really was.
- She also believes Ned Stark is a bad person despite the fact Barristan told her that he was against Robert sending the assassins.
- She arrives in Slaver's Bay and totally s up everything there, this deserves a sub-category.
- She decides she doesn't like slavery and murders hundreds of innocents in Astapor.
- She leaves Astapor in the hands of a weak council which is soon overthrown.
- She fails to subdue Yunkai who rebel as soon as she leaves.
- Daario...enough said.
- She can't even keep control of Meereen despite the fact she has Unsullied and thousands of freedman who are loyal to her.
- She has good intentions, but cannot follow through with them. Thousands of people and former slaves succumb to disease and exposure because their masters have all been murdered and they have nowhere to go.
- She leaves Astapor to burn. Astapor is described by Quentyn as, "the closest thing to hell he has ever seen".
- She pretty much spits in Quentyn's face, her best chance of getting back to Westeros. Barristan notes that if Quentyn had the looks of Gerris Drinkwater, then it would've been different.
- She cannot keep control of her dragons, especially Drogon who burns hundreds of people in the arena.
- Dany then abandons the mess she has started.

I hope Khal Whatshisname just puts in an arrow in her neck at the start of WoW.

[Feanaro Curufinwe]

I'm late to this thread.

Reasons why people hate Dany -

- She seems to believe Westeros is hers by right (no doubt what Viserys told her) and pretty much states that wherever she goes, "I will take what is mine".
- She exiles Jorah despite everything he did for her. Without him she would've died off in Vaes Dothrak.
- She refuses to listen to Barristan when he states the reasons why Robert rebelled and how ed up her dad really was.
- She also believes Ned Stark is a bad person despite the fact Barristan told her that he was against Robert sending the assassins.
- She arrives in Slaver's Bay and totally s up everything there, this deserves a sub-category.
- She decides she doesn't like slavery and murders hundreds of innocents in Astapor.
- She leaves Astapor in the hands of a weak council which is soon overthrown.
- She fails to subdue Yunkai who rebel as soon as she leaves.
- Daario...enough said.
- She can't even keep control of Meereen despite the fact she has Unsullied and thousands of freedman who are loyal to her.
- She has good intentions, but cannot follow through with them. Thousands of people and former slaves succumb to disease and exposure because their masters have all been murdered and they have nowhere to go.
- She leaves Astapor to burn. Astapor is described by Quentyn as, "the closest thing to hell he has ever seen".
- She pretty much spits in Quentyn's face, her best chance of getting back to Westeros. Barristan notes that if Quentyn had the looks of Gerris Drinkwater, then it would've been different.
- She cannot keep control of her dragons, especially Drogon who burns hundreds of people in the arena.
- Dany then abandons the mess she has started.

I hope Khal Whatshisname just puts in an arrow in her neck at the start of WoW.

Even if he did GRRM would bring her back. Really someone should tell him she is a great character so he would kill her.

[TheDude117]

I think when you look at Dany's competition, she is like one of the better monarchs in the running to claim the Iron Throne... you've got Cersei, who has whittled away the Lannisters support little by little, until she finally got herself arrested, and now with Kevan dead, she is going to continue to mess up the realm... Euron has sent the better part of his fleet away to retrieve Dany as his bride, by his brother who clearly planned to betray him from the start... Stannis is a capable commander, but is harsh and inspires little loyalty, but is the best choice out of the bunch in the current running... the other people, Robb, Renly, etc., who wanted to be king all had their flaws and sometimes if they even did well as king they died... so if I was to rate the kings and queens by how well they have done it would go like 1. Renly 2. Stannis 3. Robb 4. Dany 5. Balon 6. Euron 7. Cersei 8. Joffrey

[Vahir]

I'm late to this thread.

Reasons why people hate Dany -

- She seems to believe Westeros is hers by right (no doubt what Viserys told her) and pretty much states that wherever she goes, "I will take what is mine".
- She exiles Jorah despite everything he did for her. Without him she would've died off in Vaes Dothrak.
- She refuses to listen to Barristan when he states the reasons why Robert rebelled and how ed up her dad really was.
- She also believes Ned Stark is a bad person despite the fact Barristan told her that he was against Robert sending the assassins.
- She arrives in Slaver's Bay and totally s up everything there, this deserves a sub-category.
- She decides she doesn't like slavery and murders hundreds of innocents in Astapor.
- She leaves Astapor in the hands of a weak council which is soon overthrown.
- She fails to subdue Yunkai who rebel as soon as she leaves.
- Daario...enough said.
- She can't even keep control of Meereen despite the fact she has Unsullied and thousands of freedman who are loyal to her.
- She has good intentions, but cannot follow through with them. Thousands of people and former slaves succumb to disease and exposure because their masters have all been murdered and they have nowhere to go.
- She leaves Astapor to burn. Astapor is described by Quentyn as, "the closest thing to hell he has ever seen".
- She pretty much spits in Quentyn's face, her best chance of getting back to Westeros. Barristan notes that if Quentyn had the looks of Gerris Drinkwater, then it would've been different.
- She cannot keep control of her dragons, especially Drogon who burns hundreds of people in the arena.
- Dany then abandons the mess she has started.

I hope Khal Whatshisname just puts in an arrow in her neck at the start of WoW.

Just for fun, I'll counter your arguments.

1. Well, Westeros IS hers by right (Or at least more hers than any of the other claimants). Pretty much all the claimants to the Iron Throne have this attitude. Thus why they're claimants.

2. He spied on her. It's like she thought in her inner monologue, she had had the merchant ridden to death, so the guy who had brought the merchant should deserve the same fate. If you sold information about your lord to an enemy, exile would be considered lenient. Google "Medieval execution methods" to see what rulers less merciful than Dany would do (It's not pretty(Obviously)).

3. I'll group up both the Ned Stark and the Arys points. As I've pointed out before, Dany doesn't have an omniscient view of these things; She doesn't know that her father was evil, or that Ned Stark was honorable. For her entire life, her brother told her that their gentle and wise father was overthrown by a power hungry usurper and his pet wolf. She's been in exile her entire life. It's not surprising that she'd take the suggestion that those things aren't true with some consternation.

4. Okay, guilty as charged, but she had vastly underestimated the complexities of the politics of the region. But tell me: If she had sacked and plundered the cities and moved on, would the region be any better? I, for one, believe that even had she not come, there would still have been a slave revolt. Just because you're the one who lit the match doesn't mean the barrel wasn't full of gunpowder beforehand.

5. Forgive me, I must be wrong, but I only recall her attacking the slavers. Astapor was in relatively good condition when she left- It was when the butcher king took charge that started going down. And given that she was sold to a Dothraki warlord when she was still almost a child, I think it's hardly surprising that she dislikes the slave trade so. And her reaction is completely human, given the horrific state of affairs in Slaver's Bay.

6. Like I said, Astapor semed stable when she left.

7. This is the power of hindsight at work. Knowing what we do, we can conclude that sacking Yunkai would have ended an important threat early, but she couldn't have known things would escalate like that.

8. Daario? No, not enough said. What's your complaint here?

9. Yes, it turns out holding a land surrounded by enemies and populated in significant numbers by people who want your head is quite difficult.

10. She allowed them to sell themselves back into slavery, so I can only assume that those who stay want to be free. There's not much else she can do.

11. She was in no position to leave Yunkai. She was hard at work trying to solve #9. Don't blame her for the atrocities the Yunkai commit.

12. She was polite in her dealings with Quentyn. I can name at least four other suitors who also wanted to wed Dany. Quentyn's entire trip was simply ill-planned, what with Dany's complete ignorance of his mission.

13. Okay, that's low. I don't think Eddart Stark, nor Tyrion Lannister, nor Barristan the bold, nor King Robert, nor even Prince Rhaegar could have done better than her. They're freakin' DRAGONS. Do you expect them to be nice and docile?

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[Valandur]

Just for fun, I'll counter your arguments.

1. Well, Westeros IS hers by right (Or at least more hers than any of the other claimants). Pretty much all the claimants to the Iron Throne have this attitude. Thus why they're claimants.

Yet she always seems to state it in places where people don't care. And her de facto claim is kind of bad, yes, she's the last (apparently) of a 300 year old dynasty of Kings, however, they were exiled and she herself has never actually set foot on mainland Westeros herself.

2. He spied on her. It's like she thought in her inner monologue, she had had the merchant ridden to death, so the guy who had brought the merchant should deserve the same fate. If you sold information about your lord to an enemy, exile would be considered lenient. Google "Medieval execution methods" to see what rulers less merciful than Dany would do (It's not pretty(Obviously)).

He spied on her, yes, but what about all the good things he did for her? She exiled one of the only men she could actually trust. I wish she exiled Barristan as well, then she'd be dead.

3. I'll group up both the Ned Stark and the Arys points. As I've pointed out before, Dany doesn't have an omniscient view of these things; She doesn't know that her father was evil, or that Ned Stark was honorable. For her entire life, her brother told her that their gentle and wise father was overthrown by a power hungry usurper and his pet wolf. She's been in exile her entire life. It's not surprising that she'd take the suggestion that those things aren't true with some consternation.

I realise Viserys has been teaching her all this nonsense that isn't true, but when Barristan tries to tell the truth, she won't hear it.

4. Okay, guilty as charged, but she had vastly underestimated the complexities of the politics of the region. But tell me: If she had sacked and plundered the cities and moved on, would the region be any better? I, for one, believe that even had she not come, there would still have been a slave revolt. Just because you're the one who lit the match doesn't mean the barrel wasn't full of gunpowder beforehand.

Doubtless there have been slave revolts in the past, but I highly doubt one as large as this. She shouldn't have messed with things which are beyond her understanding.

5. Forgive me, I must be wrong, but I only recall her attacking the slavers. Astapor was in relatively good condition when she left- It was when the butcher king took charge that started going down. And given that she was sold to a Dothraki warlord when she was still almost a child, I think it's hardly surprising that she dislikes the slave trade so. And her reaction is completely human, given the horrific state of affairs in Slaver's Bay.

She only attacked the Slavers, which indirectly led to the deaths of many innocents. And killing the slavers was murder, yes they're slavers, yes they probably aren't very good people, do they deserve to be roasted by dragons? No.

6. Like I said, Astapor semed stable when she left.

She left three, weak men in charge of the city. I honestly don't know what she was thinking. If she wanted to stage a revolution in the city, she should've placed it under the command of someone with a brain and an iron fist.

7. This is the power of hindsight at work. Knowing what we do, we can conclude that sacking Yunkai would have ended an important threat early, but she couldn't have known things would escalate like that.

If you want to be a conqueror, you have to consider all the possibilities.

8. Daario? No, not enough said. What's your complaint here?

Daario is one of the most annoying characters in the series (that's a fact). He has a blue forked ing beard, and he's a prick. Yet Dany loves him.

9. Yes, it turns out holding a land surrounded by enemies and populated in significant numbers by people who want your head is quite difficult.

She has thousands of Unsullied and freedmen. She has a few competent men who would be able to subdue the city, yet she sits there having a cry because the Sons of the Harpies are occasionally killing people.

10. She allowed them to sell themselves back into slavery, so I can only assume that those who stay want to be free. There's not much else she can do.

She should have never messed with them in the first place. After all, the whole reason the Pale Mare started and grew is because of all the people dying in the streets of Astapor after (surprise, surprise) Dany came through, started a revolution, didn't finish it off and left Astapor to burn.

11. She was in no position to leave Yunkai. She was hard at work trying to solve #9. Don't blame her for the atrocities the Yunkai commit.

She was the one who got Astapor into that mess. I understand she had no control over King Cleon and all the Kings that followed, but like I said before, she should've left Astapor under better control and she shouldn't have left them to die.

12. She was polite in her dealings with Quentyn. I can name at least four other suitors who also wanted to wed Dany. Quentyn's entire trip was simply ill-planned, what with Dany's complete ignorance of his mission.

He's her best and only chance of getting back to Westeros with actual support from within. Well, he was her best and only chance. She has unrealistic goals, she can't have both Slaver's Bay and Westeros. It's one or the other, and the way it's being set up, I doubt she'll be leaving Slaver's Bay soon.

13. Okay, that's low. I don't think Eddart Stark, nor Tyrion Lannister, nor Barristan the bold, nor King Robert, nor even Prince Rhaegar could have done better than her. They're freakin' DRAGONS. Do you expect them to be nice and docile?

She unleashed them on the world, anything they do is her responsibility. And it does appear she has some measure of control over them, hence Drogon not doing the world a favour and eating her up after the arena fiasco.



I honestly hope Dany never makes it to Westeros.

[TheDude117]

Dany definitely needs Ser Barristan to put his foot down if she wants to have a chance to conquer Westeros and rule it properly... Barristan is the best one of Dany's advisers as he actually disagrees with her when see is wrong and tries to guide her to a better path... also I think Dany is more than a little arrogant about this whole mother of dragons thing too... she acts like because she birthed three dragons that the whole world should bow down before her and do what she wants, but they're not going to...

[Mhaedros]

I can understand that she went to Astapor to buy Unsullied and I can even agree on stealing them instead of giving away a dragon, but to not GTHO after that is just pathetic. What does she think will happen if an army of Unsullied starts burning cities down, especially if it's rumored there are not one, but three dragons in said army?

[Ori]

I can understand that she went to Astapor to buy Unsullied and I can even agree on stealing them instead of giving away a dragon, but to not GTHO after that is just pathetic. What does she think will happen if an army of Unsullied starts burning cities down, especially if it's rumored there are not one, but three dragons in said army?

She still could've won if she had treated Slaver's Bay with a little less moral sense. If she had sacked Yunkaii as soon as the Wise Masters opened their gates a lot of the problems would've been avoidable. And she should've at least rode out to help the Butcher King instead of pissing around (seriously, what was she even doing that was so important?) while the slavers gained power.

Dany didn't even do a good job of saving the slaves. Actually, she did a terrible job. In fact, she did such a bad job that people in Slaver's Bay probably suffered more because of her than if she had never come. Remember what happened to Astapor? The city was virtually destroyed after the Wise Masters had done their work. Meanwhile she sat around giving money to people who's goats had been killed by her dragons while the citizens of Astapor sat in complete fear of the Yunkaii telling themselves it would all be alright when Dany showed up to save them. The fact that she doesn't even show much remorse about dooming about a third of the region's population is incredibly disconcerting.

She wasn't prepared to do what had to be done and she wasn't strong willed enough when it mattered. Things like allowing people to sell themselves into slavery, reopening the fight pits, etc. simply made her look weak when she needed to be a person that wouldn't flinch to others.

Though her actions at Astapor were very clever. All be it she only managed to succeed because other people actually trusted her honor, the fools.

[Prophet1331]

If Dany doesn't listen to Barristan and his council (as the most trusted person around her) what makes you think she'll listen to the small council if by chance she would be queen of Westeros. She'll be like a teenager going "don't tell me what to do" and " I know better".

And if she chooses her friends based on loyalties to her father she'll put the Tyrells together with the Martells ,if they don't go with Aegon and want to stay with Dany after refusing Quentyn, and get a fight for power at court. She'll probably get Tyrion against her and all the honorable lords of the North and the Vale.

And if she tries to put in Dothraki traditions into the culture of Westeros things will go down badly for her (especially now that the sparrows are in power again).

She might be a good character and person, but as a Queen she's no better than Joffrey, the difference between them is that where Joffrey was cruel beyond comprehension Dany is spreading her mother style mercy on the least fortunate forgetting everyone else.

[Archon Patriarch]

Gooood gooood use your Anger, let the hate flow through you. http://youtu.be/xaA2eKABuEE. This thread brings me great joy, it's 11 pages of hate against the wretched one, faith in Humanity restored.

I'll chip in, I get in the medievalesque period this is in claims are important but really it comes down to who has the biggest army but she doesn't realize in "Re-claiming" Westeros and putting in those to power she deems fit she's about as good as the slavers, maybe even worse because that's the Slavers culture - basically all they know for thousands of years - she can be merciful but her "Merciful" is destroying an economy, starting a huge war and ruining although an "Evil" but stable land. Look at Astapor, she sure improved that place! The population was genocided. In this world she has no right surviving as long as she has and if she gets to Westeros she'll screw it up even more. Who even wants her to succeed ? If she deserves the Kingdom so much she can fight the others for it.

[Vahir]

Well, I at least hope Dany will become the new ruler of Westeros, simply because everyone in the fanbase is wishing cancer on her, and making her succeed is exactly the sort of ballsy thing I have come to expect from GRRM.

[Feanaro Curufinwe]

Well, I at least hope Dany will become the new ruler of Westeros, simply because everyone in the fanbase is wishing cancer on her, and making her succeed is exactly the sort of ballsy thing I have come to expect from GRRM.

Well of course that's how it would happen.

Stannis: I am one of the best developed characters in the books, have some good POV's , I am great general and would actually make a good King.

Daenerys:Well I am an angsty beggar teenage girl Queen with purple eyes and Dragons.Boom, you're gone.

Others:We are the great threat set up for most of the books and-

Daenerys: Dragons! Bam!

[Ori]

I also like that she makes Mormont her like BFF for half her shenanigans (until she exiled him) in spite of him having traded slaves. Meanwhile she melts off peoples faces for slavery in Slaver's Bay. Grant it, they did extra terrible things like, you know, asking her to pay a proper amount for an army of the finest soldiers in the World.