The Dany hating [Do I have to specify that there'll be spoilers?]

[Vahir]

Why do you all hate Daenerys? You guys talk about her like she murdered your entire families, on their corpses, and kept their skulls as drinking cups.

Why all the hatin'?

[Pinkie Pie]

Why all the love for the stupid cow?

[Vahir]

Why all the love for the stupid cow?

This is exactly the kind of crap I'm talking about. I'm pretty sure she is neither mentally deficient nor a bovine, so you are wrong on both counts.

[Karazor]

i don't hate dany the argument that i made on the blackwater thread was to state that she isn't a good millitary commander all her battles were won cuz she faced incompetent salver's who haven't had a real war for a couple of hundreds of years and were taken by surprise because they are ignorant and arogand come on can you really praise so much someone who deafeted idiots that had bedslaves in their armies?

and i don't hate her quite the oposite i like her character somewhat , beacause for me she is the fantasy part of the books with all the dragons and prophecies and all that stuff

[Lordinquisitor]

Because she is so naive.

Yes, she is young and is allowed to make mistakes.. But her advisors give her so much good advice and she ignores it. Somehow she seems to have lost all her wits while staying in astapor. Before that? Using the oaths of the Unsullied against their former masters? Brilliant. Smashing the yunkai through judging the mercenary generals? Brilliant.

And then..

Mereen.

[Vahir]

Because she is so naive.

Yes, she is young and is allowed to make mistakes.. But her advisors give her so much good advice and she ignores it. Somehow she seems to have lost all her wits while staying in astapor. Before that? Using the oaths of the Unsullied against their former masters? Brilliant. Smashing the yunkai through judging the mercenary generals? Brilliant.

And then..

Mereen.

I blame it on the fact that G.R.R.M. wanted the story to come to a big battle at Mereen, so Dany had to do stupid things to get the story to that point, the same way Robb had to not tell Edmund about "The plan". She nailed down the slave masters to crosses and left them to die slow painful deaths, I don't see why she wouldn't be equally brutal in Mereen.

[Karazor]

i don't hate dany the argument that i made on the blackwater thread was to state that she isn't a good millitary commander all her battles were won cuz she faced incompetent salver's who haven't had a real war for a couple of hundreds of years and were taken by surprise because they are ignorant and arogant come on can you really praise so much someone who deafeted idiots that had bedslaves in their armies?

and i don't hate her quite the oposite i like her character somewhat , beacause for me she is the fantasy part of the books with all the dragons and prophecies and all that stuff

[Vahir]

i don't hate dany the argument that i made on the blackwater thread was to state that she isn't a good millitary commander all her battles were won cuz she faced incompetent salver's who haven't had a real war for a couple of hundreds of years and were taken by surprise because they are ignorant and arogant come on can you really praise so much someone who deafeted idiots that had bedslaves in their armies?

and i don't hate her quite the oposite i like her character somewhat , beacause for me she is the fantasy part of the books with all the dragons and prophecies and all that stuff

See, if it was Tywin who had smashed the slavers, you'd all be prattling on about his incredible victory and his genius.

[Karazor]

See, if it was Tywin who had smashed the slavers, you'd all be prattling on about his incredible victory and his genius.

no es not a genius he is a good commander but not a great comander , but he is at his best at court

if he didn't have the power and finances he has he would still be great at court i say but again he is not a genius general

[Prophet1331]

Among all the characters she's the only one who has something like a guardian angel. I never got the impression that she is in real peril or that GRRM might kill her off. She lost Khal Drogo (didn't like the idea of dothraki world kingdom that much), she lost her child (unborn and it was actually her doing getting involved in magic and so on). She had her adventure in Qarth and came out without a scratch or so on (Even Tyrion, GRRM's other favorite character lost a nose in an adventure).

She's not made for the political world of being a Queen yet she still believes she's the best for freeing slaves and so on. And thanks to her dragons she somehow is the center of the world and for all that she's a teenager falling in love with a sellsword captain instead of acting like a true ruler.

Her chapters were kind of boring since AGOT. Though it may be that I don't like East Essos that much and found everything related to them uninteresting.

Above all else she has too much luck for someone belonging to the ASoIaF books. Unless she starts acting mature or loses a body part I don't see me liking her anytime soon.

[Ori]

Among all the characters she's the only one who has something like a guardian angel. I never got the impression that she is in real peril or that GRRM might kill her off.

It's when they're safest that they're at the greatest risk. I thought Robb was going to live too. Or at the very least die in battle or something direct. Next thing I know it's the Red Wedding.

She's not made for the political world of being a Queen yet she still believes she's the best for freeing slaves and so on. And thanks to her dragons she somehow is the center of the world and for all that she's a teenager falling in love with a sellsword captain instead of acting like a true ruler.

Ya, it's stuff like this that makes me dislike her. She doesn't fall in love with someone like Ser Barriston or Jorah Mormont or the Dornish Prince or some one you can respect or anything like that. Instead she falls for a brutal sellsword captain who does like feed men's tongues to dogs to see if they're lying or not.

Christ, your first paragraph was right. If anyone else in ASOIAF did the kind of stuff she was doing they'd have a dagger in their back by now.

[Lordinquisitor]

Not a genius? I dare to say that he is perhaps the best strategist in the whole of the seven kingdoms. There are perhaps better tacticians*, but he is a very good strategist, whose genius could (perhaps) only matched by a few.

*Randyll Tarly, perhaps. We sadly don`t know. Robb Stark might have become a better one, but he wasn`t nearly as good a strategist as tywin, which..

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

I just think she listen to the wrong people, and rarely listen to the right.

but I like her becouse she is a kind person.

[Son of Mars]

I don't hate her, just a small amount of dislike. She's a good person, but naive. Also, she has Dragons which ruins the realistic edge Game of Thrones has. Her line about Eddard Stark deserving execution really set me off because her crazy father boiled Lord Rickard Stark and had Brandon Stark strangled, and Rhaegar kidnapped his Lyanna Stark. She should be a bit more understanding toward Eddard. I can understand hating the Lannisters who were the REAL traitors in the rebellion.

[Vahir]

I don't hate her, just a small amount of dislike. She's a good person, but naive. Also, she has Dragons which ruins the realistic edge Game of Thrones has. Her line about Eddard Stark deserving execution really set me off because her crazy father boiled Lord Rickard Stark and had Brandon Stark strangled, and Rhaegar kidnapped his Lyanna Stark. She should be a bit more understanding toward Eddard. I can understand hating the Lannisters who were the REAL traitors in the rebellion.

Well, she hasn't read a Stark POV chapter, and she was taught history by Viserys (See: psychopath), so...

[Son of Mars]

Well, she hasn't read a Stark POV chapter, and she was taught history by Viserys (See: psychopath), so...

I understand why, Viserys was a sack of , but it still set me off.

[Mount Suribachi]

I don't hate her, just a small amount of dislike. She's a good person, but naive. Also, she has Dragons which ruins the realistic edge Game of Thrones has. Her line about Eddard Stark deserving execution really set me off because her crazy father boiled Lord Rickard Stark and had Brandon Stark strangled, and Rhaegar kidnapped his Lyanna Stark. She should be a bit more understanding toward Eddard. I can understand hating the Lannisters who were the REAL traitors in the rebellion.

What a bizarre thing to say. In a world where the dead are brought back to life as blue eyed zombies by supernatural ice beings who can only be killed by obsidian weapons, where the dead can be brought back to life by the followers of the god of fire, where dreams are truly phrophetic, where people can warg into animals and even other people, where seers can see past present and future, where assasins can wear a dead persons face, where giant magical walls that last thousands of years can be constructed - you complain that the existence of dragons is unrealistic?

I hate her plot armor. I hate the fact that she got litteraly everything handed to her

And this is another thing I find confusing. Plot armour? No more than the same plot armour that has so far protected Sansa, Arya, Bran, Rickon, Tyrion et al. Tyrion may have lost a nose, but Dany lost her husband, her child, her womb and her khalasar

And everything given to her? No more than Jaime was given his looks, his skill at arms and his Lannister name - without those you think he joins the Kingsguard? No more than Tyrion was given his wits, his name and his Lannister gold etc etc. People who've genuinely pulled themselves up by their bootstraps are very rare in AGOT - Littlefinger, Varys, Davos and thats about it. Dany has rebounded from nothing apart from a few handmaidens and some stone cold dragon eggs (that no-one else has managed to hatch for hundreds of years) to her own city conquering army.

None of this is to deny that she hasn't turned into an incredibly frustrating, indecisive, pouting american teenage girl, but I remain hopeful that this is all part of the "journey" that GMMR is taking her on...

[Chris Perry]

And this is another thing I find confusing. Plot armour? No more than the same plot armour that has so far protected Sansa, Arya, Bran, Rickon, Tyrion et al. Tyrion may have lost a nose, but Dany lost her husband, her child, her womb and her khalasar

I don't know, ever since Ned died I've genuinely felt like those characters could die. They aren't essential to the plot, or have been used in one of the plots already. But Dany always feels like she can't die- not with 3 Dragons she has yet to use, and not without seriously affecting the Westeros storyline. The other characters can't just walk into life of death situations, and have the reader just know they will survive.

[Son of Mars]

What a bizarre thing to say. In a world where the dead are brought back to life as blue eyed zombies by supernatural ice beings who can only be killed by obsidian weapons, where the dead can be brought back to life by the followers of the god of fire, where dreams are truly phrophetic, where people can warg into animals and even other people, where seers can see past present and future, where assasins can wear a dead persons face, where giant magical walls that last thousands of years can be constructed - you complain that the existence of dragons is unrealistic?

Dragons are the equivalent of medieval atomic weapons. They force entire armies to surrender or be destroyed. For example, Torrhen Stark bent the knee father than fight Aegon the Conquerer, The King of the Reach got burnt in his own armor in the field of fire, King Harren and all his sons were firebombed in their huge fortress by dragons. GRRM hasn't given them weaknesses like the Others who have three weaknesses that are expliotable: Obsidian, Valyrian Steel. Sure the others are hard to beat, but they were at least defeated once before. There hasn't been one real recorded instance where Dragons were bested in battle: The Valyrians built an empire on them, and as mentioned before Aegon the Conquerer brought an entire continent to it knees with them. In a series where most everyone has huge odds to face, Daenerys seems to be the only exception to the rule; I honestly see no other ending to Dany's conquest of Westeros other than bending of knees or scorching of cities. The only way to solve this would be to have a Dovakiin, but I'm very sure GRRM isn't going there.

Edit: Wights have fire weakness, again this is exploitable.

[Mount Suribachi]

Dragons are the equivalent of medieval atomic weapons. They force entire armies to surrender or be destroyed. For example, Torrhen Stark bent the knee father than fight Aegon the Conquerer, The King of the Reach got burnt in his own armor in the field of fire, King Harren and all his sons were firebombed in their huge fortress by dragons. GRRM hasn't given them weaknesses like the Others who have three weaknesses that are expliotable: Obsidian, Valyrian Steel. Sure the others are hard to beat, but they were at least defeated once before. There hasn't been one real recorded instance where Dragons were bested in battle: The Valyrians built an empire on them, and as mentioned before Aegon the Conquerer brought an entire continent to it knees with them. In a series where most everyone has huge odds to face, Daenerys seems to be the only exception to the rule; I honestly see no other ending to Dany's conquest of Westeros other than bending of knees or scorching of cities. The only way to solve this would be to have a Dovakiin, but I'm very sure GRRM isn't going there.

And yet, the dragons died out and the Targaryens were deposed. Danys dragons are not yet full grown, let alone tamed and trained for war. Every man and his dog is trying/has tried to take the dragons from her and that will not stop, at some point I expect someone to succeed and dragon will fight dragon (there are hints of this). Who knows what will happen with Victarion and his horn?

There are also theories that the reason Jaqen/Pate has infiltrated the Citadel is to learn how to kill dragons. Tyrion is aware of their strenghts and weaknesses due to his great learning, and whose side will he end up on?

Honestly, if you think Dany is just gunna turn up in Westeros with her dragons and go "I win. The end" then you're going to be surprised. This is GMMR, not Tom Clancy