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    Will we finally see how the Germans and Gauls really were? Unwashed barbarians with tiny villages and really bad weapons? They didn't have iron weapons but used wood spears and bad rusty axes.

    Also they should no be able to build walls and should not have any sanitation

    Romans and Greeks were so much superior, just see how Caesar conquered Gaul so easily

    Please make barbarians realistic this time around, they should only have tiny villages with almost most buildings (they lived in huts or caves)

    Thank you

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    Your picture of the Germanic and Celtic people is not correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greve Af Göteborg View Post
    Your knowledge of the Germanic and Celtic people is not correct.
    Well, they did just run around in the woods really until the Romans decided to conquer them

    They didnt even have Iron swords when other people had them

    I understand why you get mad since you're swedish, but just deal with it, barbarians are barbarians

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    I presume you are being sarcastic, especially when thinking about the Gauls... so yes, I also hope that CA will not create unhistorical stereotypical barbarians and instead makes them historically accurate. So no savage cavemen like in RTW I.

    edit: Correction. Why did I type SEGA instead of CA?
    Last edited by Enarec; August 05, 2012 at 06:06 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enarec View Post
    I presume you are being sarcastic, especially when thinking about the Gauls... so yes, I also hope that SEGA will not create unhistorical stereotypical barbarians and instead makes them historically accurate. So no savage cavemen like in RTW I.
    But look at their culture, they didn't build anything and they were very savage and uncivilized

    time and time again romans owned them in battle

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    A lot of Celts were very good at smithing. Chain-mail armour and fine swords were very popular among the richer Celts. They didn't all live in huts and caves, ever heard about oppidum? fortified settlements ontop of natural hills.
    Even the Romans borrowed some ideas from "Barbaric peoples", some examples are the gladius, spatha and the scutum and probably some more things.

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    Your picture of the Germanic and Celtic people is not correct.
    I agree. You have missed by 100 %.

    The barbarians is just a term or word that is used from Romans to name the people that are not Romans or part of Roman culture. So for the Romans even the Greeks are barbarians, which were highly civilized.

    Barbarians had a lot of inventions that they brought into this world. First of all they made a lot of music instruments,such as the Celtic harp or Uilleann pipes or even the Scottish bagpipe. Second the Romans copied the chainmail that was produce by the celts as well as the helmets with chin guards..

    Here is an example of the Celtic soldier and the Roman soldier

    Up to the time of the emperor Nero, about 60 AD, Roman soldiers wore a coat of chain-mail armour copied from the Celts, made from links of steel rings, but this Roman has just gotten a new type of body armour made from steel bands, which was cheaper and easier to make than the Celtic-style chain- mail, although it was not as flexible.




    The invention of soap, which was also, in some fashion, invented in Arabia and China around the same time. But the Celts are credited with cleaning up Europe during the thousand year span before the year 1. They are also credited with inventing Irish linen and Scottish plaids. The Celts were known for their incredibly intricate patterns on cloth and jewelry.

    Around the home and farm their innovations came in the forms of glass bottles, thehandsaw, the rotary reaper, the rotary mill, iron scissors and saws. They are credited with inventing the wooden milk churn which gives us yummy butter, the quill pen, the hour glass, the screw weight, and both the weight driven clock and spring driven clock. A tasty invention was the creation of peanut brittle. The Celtic farmer pioneered the usage of fertilizer, crop rotation and thatched roofing which goes back to the the Bronze Age in Great Britain.

    The Celtic people were creative and artistic and responsible for developing the first recognized and genuine art style in central Europe. They are given invention credit for metal art work in the form of brooches, wrist cuffs, metal neck and upper arm torcs and cloak pins as well as advancing the potters trade by creating the potters wheel and kick wheel for making clay figures. The invented what is today still referred to as Celtic knot-work, an intricate design style that seems to have no beginning nor end, and many times includes zoomorphic animal shapes within the design.

    The Celts developed the ability to use charcoal to heat metals at higher temperatures and thus innovated travel and warfare by improving upon the wheel shaft by adding iron and spokes. They are considered the first people to domesticate and ride horses. They furthered their domestication of horses with the use of metal by creating the metal bit used on the horses bridle, giving the rider greater control of the horse, as well as creating the harness used for draft horses. The Celts were also the first to put shoes on their horses.



    Additional innovations to warfare include the development of the longbow, the steel cross bow and chain mail armor. The blast furnace was created originally in Catalonia in Spain and was re-invented in England in 1350 and most certainly was used by the Celts in their advancement in metallurgy.

    The Celts were master horsemen and they invented the trouser for the solders in their cavalry, which provided protection to the legs from long hours of riding horses.

    Other cultural developments attributed to the Celtic people is the creation of a money system using gold coins, they developed trading centers and the Celtic Knight brought forth the Age of Chivalry and etiquette, and thus kept the woman in high esteem. Perhaps a way to keep the feminine divine alive in their culture.



    In addition it is know that Dacians, Gauls & Iberians used stone walls for defence. For other barbarians I am not sure.

    Celts also made roads out of wood, so they weren't riding in mud when the rain would fall.

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    Specially as the most of the roman amour is of celtic origin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asgaroth View Post
    I agree. You have missed by 100 %.

    The barbarians is just a term or word that is used from Romans to name the people that are not Romans or part of Roman culture. So for the Romans even the Greeks are barbarians, which were highly civilized.

    Barbarians had a lot of inventions that they brought into this world. First of all they made a lot of music instruments,such as the Celtic harp or Uilleann pipes or even the Scottish bagpipe. Second the Romans copied the chainmail that was produce by the celts as well as the helmets with chin guards..

    Here is an example of the Celtic soldier and the Roman soldier

    Up to the time of the emperor Nero, about 60 AD, Roman soldiers wore a coat of chain-mail armour copied from the Celts, made from links of steel rings, but this Roman has just gotten a new type of body armour made from steel bands, which was cheaper and easier to make than the Celtic-style chain- mail, although it was not as flexible.




    The invention of soap, which was also, in some fashion, invented in Arabia and China around the same time. But the Celts are credited with cleaning up Europe during the thousand year span before the year 1. They are also credited with inventing Irish linen and Scottish plaids. The Celts were known for their incredibly intricate patterns on cloth and jewelry.

    Around the home and farm their innovations came in the forms of glass bottles, thehandsaw, the rotary reaper, the rotary mill, iron scissors and saws. They are credited with inventing the wooden milk churn which gives us yummy butter, the quill pen, the hour glass, the screw weight, and both the weight driven clock and spring driven clock. A tasty invention was the creation of peanut brittle. The Celtic farmer pioneered the usage of fertilizer, crop rotation and thatched roofing which goes back to the the Bronze Age in Great Britain.

    The Celtic people were creative and artistic and responsible for developing the first recognized and genuine art style in central Europe. They are given invention credit for metal art work in the form of brooches, wrist cuffs, metal neck and upper arm torcs and cloak pins as well as advancing the potters trade by creating the potters wheel and kick wheel for making clay figures. The invented what is today still referred to as Celtic knot-work, an intricate design style that seems to have no beginning nor end, and many times includes zoomorphic animal shapes within the design.

    The Celts developed the ability to use charcoal to heat metals at higher temperatures and thus innovated travel and warfare by improving upon the wheel shaft by adding iron and spokes. They are considered the first people to domesticate and ride horses. They furthered their domestication of horses with the use of metal by creating the metal bit used on the horses bridle, giving the rider greater control of the horse, as well as creating the harness used for draft horses. The Celts were also the first to put shoes on their horses.



    Additional innovations to warfare include the development of the longbow, the steel cross bow and chain mail armor. The blast furnace was created originally in Catalonia in Spain and was re-invented in England in 1350 and most certainly was used by the Celts in their advancement in metallurgy.

    The Celts were master horsemen and they invented the trouser for the solders in their cavalry, which provided protection to the legs from long hours of riding horses.

    Other cultural developments attributed to the Celtic people is the creation of a money system using gold coins, they developed trading centers and the Celtic Knight brought forth the Age of Chivalry and etiquette, and thus kept the woman in high esteem. Perhaps a way to keep the feminine divine alive in their culture.



    In addition it is know that Dacians, Gauls & Iberians used stone walls for defence. For other barbarians I am not sure.

    Celts also made roads out of wood, so they weren't riding in mud when the rain would fall.
    I have to ask. How many of these inventions were post roman invasion or even after the fall of rome?

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    Default Re: Historical depiction of Barbarians?

    Quote Originally Posted by Asgaroth View Post
    First of all they made a lot of music instruments,such as the Celtic harp or Uilleann pipes or even the Scottish bagpipe.
    Source, please! From what I've read on the history of the bagpipe, while it's not certain how it appeared in Europe, it's pretty certain it did so around the 12th-13th century (AD) - it was possibly first attested in the 12th century Iberian peninsula, IIRC, and in France in the following century. And its origin is considered likely to be Middle Eastern.

    Quote Originally Posted by PROMETHEUS ts View Post
    longbow was medieval
    Source for that as well, please (at least if you want to back it up)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asgaroth View Post
    They are considered the first people to domesticate and ride horses
    This one requires even more backing up. A number of other claims in that post are also highly dubious/debatable and/or misrepresented, at best.
    Last edited by NikeBG; August 05, 2012 at 09:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NikeBG View Post
    Source for that as well, please (at least if you want to back it up)!
    I supposed the author of the affirmation referred to the famous English longbow that was a Welsh Innovation on european warfare , tough the Longbow carve it's root in many other ancient societies and is around since the paleolithic , so no one can claim to have invented .... but on the specific claim ...

    the renown one is of welsh medieval origins .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asgaroth View Post

    The barbarians is just a term or word that is used from Romans to name the people that are not Romans or part of Roman culture. So for the Romans even the Greeks are barbarians, which were highly civilized.
    Actually, the word is Greek in origin, and was applied to anybody who didn't speak Greek.

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    @Asgaroth: I think that the OP has lost this argument, +rep!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greve Af Göteborg View Post
    @Asgaroth: I think that the OP has lost this argument, +rep!
    I think its all in all sarcastic based of a post in another thread, where he had the quit opposite opinion.

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    @Asgaroth: I think that the OP has lost this argument, +rep!
    Thanks !

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    I think its basically assumed that the Barbarians will be more accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasforth9 View Post
    Will we finally see how the Germans and Gauls really were? Unwashed barbarians with tiny villages and really bad weapons? They didn't have iron weapons but used wood spears and bad rusty axes.
    Wasn't that exactly how they looked in RTW?

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    Wasn't that exactly how they looked in RTW?
    Yes. But they weren't like that as already discussed.

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    I think you got majorly trolled. There is no way this guy is serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loger View Post
    I think you got majorly trolled. There is no way this guy is serious.
    Yeah OP just had a successful troll right there.

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