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    Default US resists losing control over the Internet

    From the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19106420
    The US has confirmed it would resist efforts to put the internet under the control of the United Nations.
    At present several non-profit US bodies oversee the net's technical specifications and domain name system.
    They operate at arms-length from the US government but officially under the remit of its Department of Commerce.
    There has been speculation that other nations will push for a change later this year, but they cannot force the US to comply.
    The US has set out its position in documents filed with the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) - the UN agency responsible for encouraging the development of communications technologies.
    The ITU is hosting a conference in December in Dubai to which representatives from 178 nations have been invited to review the International Telecommunications Regulations (ITR).
    The ITR is a 1988 treaty which set out rules for how traffic should flow between different telecom networks, and how to calculate charges for traffic exchanged between carriers in different countries.
    The rise of the internet and mobile devices has led to calls for it to be revised, but countries are expected to disagree over the changes needed.
    The US's ambassador to the conference, Terry Kramer, outlined his worries in a statement published by the country's Department of State.
    "The US is concerned that proposals by some other governments could lead to greater regulatory burdens being placed on the international telecom sector, or perhaps even extended to the internet sector," he wrote.
    "The United States also believes that existing multi-stakeholder institutions, incorporating industry and civil society, have functioned effectively and will continue to ensure the health and growth of the internet and all its benefits."
    Leaked documents The ITU does not publish submissions by each country - leaving it up to the individual states to decide which material to release. But a site called Wcitleaks.org has posted proposals leaked to it.
    They include a submission from Russia suggesting the ITU could become responsible for allocating at least some of the internet's addresses as well as the "determination of the necessary requirements".
    At present US-based Icann (Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers) co-ordinates the codes and numbering systems, deciding which new internet address endings should be allowed as an alternative to .com. It then leaves it to ISPs (internet service providers) to assign individual addresses.
    President Vladimir Putin has signalled Russia's final submission could go further. In 2011 he said he was keen to discuss "establishing international control over the internet using the monitoring and supervisory capabilities of the International Telecommunication Union".
    The Russia Today news service has since reported that China and India had backed this stance.
    No votes But the ITU has made it clear that any changes to the treaty must have unanimous support, and it would block members trying to put any matter to a vote.
    "We never vote because voting means winners and losers and you can't afford that," Dr Hamadoun Toure, the ITU's secretary-general told the BBC.
    "Whatever one single country does not accept will not pass."
    He acknowledged that some countries were unhappy with the way Icann had looked after the internet address system.
    "Some people are saying the governments are not consulted enough," he said.
    But he played down the idea that there would be a serious effort to seize control of its functions and pass them to the ITU.
    "Has anybody suggested to take responsibility from Icann? No, it's never been done. I truly believe there is a complementarity involved between our work - we can work together."
    So apparently Congress is taking a month-long nap as of today, which includes that they lose control over the cyberspace until they reboot. Is it good or bad for American users now that the Internet shall be UN-run?


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    I don't think people understand how the internet works if they think one governing body can simply "run it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imperial View Post
    I don't think people understand how the internet works if they think one governing body can simply "run it."
    Also they don't seem to understand that the supposed US control borders near anarchy in its enforcement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imperial View Post
    I don't think people understand how the internet works if they think one governing body can simply "run it."
    Actually it's easier than you might think. If you can pressure the tier 1 infrastructure owners, you can control most of the net. Also, as president of a country, you can enforce all operators to provide filtering of various kinds, as well as surveillance. Their limitation is only, that they simply can't find more than some 10,000 people who can listen to the people under surveillance, and computer processing of it can be extremely difficult. Finally, there are encryption techniques which may be used to form a net inside the net. But the ground level infrastructure CAN unfortunately be threatened. Any government that does this to a too great extent, will however risk getting overthrown and massacred.

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    They want to control our minds through the internet

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    They already do...
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    It will have no effect. ICANN is to the internet what the Queen is to the British government.

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    I, for one, welcome our new UN masters.

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    I have a tin foil hat they cant get me all i have to do is remove the tracking device in my tooth filling..
    I am sure they are putting additives in our food also to make us produce less sperm etc

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    I think by regulation, they refer to who is allotted what domain, how the Internet real-estate is divided up in the world, service providers and communications protocols. UN control would definitely be more bureaucratic but may present other countries with the ability to structure the Internet in a way that improves speed and access for them. Or something like that.

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    Maybe I read this wrong, but where do it say the internet will now be regulated by the U.N? I read that all members must agree and U.S don't seem to want this to happen.

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    The UN should be burned down and the rubble should be used to create a dike around Manhattan to protect it from fictional Global Warming.

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    I'd much rather the US have ''internet control'' than the UN. The US tends to be kind of cool when it comes to the free dissemination of information. The UN are a bunch of nanny-state -tards.

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    How would they control the internet?

    what's the purpose of this control?


    I am guessing they would have to force us to accept their new international laws.
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    UN propaganda would destroy my head.

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    The internet is way too important to let the UN run it.

    Plus there's the way the voting system for the UN works. Sure tiny african state might have a right to say things about wartime matters... but the internet which less than 1% of their population has? I don't think so.

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    "Whatever one single country does not accept will not pass."
    case closed

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    "Whatever one single country does not accept will not pass."
    Quote Originally Posted by Glista View Post
    case closed
    I couldnt agree more. Countries like China have huge censorship regulations, and giving them a vote on this is a bad idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imperial View Post
    I don't think people understand how the internet works if they think one governing body can simply "run it."
    Well, I'm not sure about that. Surely this would allow America to prosecute people in other countries far more easily for violating US laws regarding the internet? If the internet was located, in say, I don't know, Switzerland then the megavideo thing will likely not have got as far.

    Quote Originally Posted by GrnEyedDvl View Post
    I couldnt agree more. Countries like China have huge censorship regulations, and giving them a vote on this is a bad idea.
    I completely disagree, we're not talking about handing the internet over to China, just making it a more internationally controlled, say that way, if down the line there was a worst case scenario where America went rogue, it couldn't everything up for everybody else.

    EDIT: And a quick Google search that this is not the first time American control would be lessened: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...n-agreement-us
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    right, like its going to be like that...bolton & co did well
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