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    Prior to the last US Presidential Election Democratic candidate Barack Obama went off on a tour of Europe to meet criticisms that the young Senator had no real foreign policy, and as Head of the United States Executive could not function as the statesman that the United States needed, that the veteran figure of McCain could draw on to put himself ahead of his rival.

    Even Obama's most blind sided opponents would struggle to describe the subsequent tour as anything but a runaway success - peaking at a speech in Berlin attended by about a quarter of a million Germans. This followed a tour of the Middle East where Obama met the Israeli Prime Minister and his Palestinian counterpart, and Obama firmly stated a policy that would be repeated throughout his first term and put the US in a position to ride the fallout of the Arab Spring - that the US is not the enemy of Islam.

    In the last few weeks, Mitt Romney has attempted to emulate this tour, but everywhere that Obama succeeded, Romney failed, a stream of ugly gaffes coming from the candidate and his staff, offending Europeans and raising questions in the US media that Romney can manage the relations of the US with both friends and others.

    It all started in London, where only days before an eagerly anticipated Olympic Games, Romney made an unforced error by questioning the UK's ability to manage the games. The backlash was massive, both official and public, and gained widespread coverage in both the USA and UK. Referring to Romney's management of the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, which the candidate has made much of, David Cameron dismissed Romney by saying it was surely easier to manage an event "in the middle of nowhere" than in London. Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, openly mocked Romney in front of a huge crowd to massive approval. The British tabloids portrayed Romney as a clumsy idiot and the American media relayed the anger.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19007127

    In Israel, Obama's message of focusing on the peace process and his time divided between the leaders of both Palestine and Israel was replaced by Romney blundering into a situation where he was widely accused of racism by stating (in Jerusalem, no less, the hotly disputed, illegally colonised and unrecognised capital of Israel) that the Palestinian economy was weaker than the Israeli economy because of "cultural" issues - immediately infuriating Palestinians and their supporters, and causing deep concern for advocates of the two state solution or those seeking a reinvigorated peace process in general.

    Worse, the presence of major donors made Romney open to criticisms that he was cynically causing more conflict in Israel for the satisfaction of Jewish-American funders.

    In Poland, a campaign spokesman invited journalists to kiss his ass.

    Certainly, coverage of the tour has focused overwhelmingly on Romney's gaffes than it has any positives.

    But what exact effect will this have on voters at home? The people this campaign was aimed at are likely to be delighted by Romney's aggressive and borderline racist statements in Jerusalem, and he may well suck up some Jewish and Evangelical votes as a consequence. The core of the Romney and Republican support, Tea Baggers with no passports, are not going to give a tiny shite about what any pinko commies think of their boys (I am eagerly looking forward to the responses that will inevitably dominate this thread by partisan Americans disregarding and purposefully misunderstanding anything foreign). But surely, for the middles and the voters to be won over, it can only compound fears that Romney is naive and incapable with foreign policy.

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    Actually, the Tea Party does not support Romney and openly criticized him a great deal before he became the GOP candidate. The only support they have for him is lukewarm, begrudging acceptance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    Actually, the Tea Party does not support Romney and openly criticized him a great deal before he became the GOP candidate. The only support they have for him is lukewarm, begrudging acceptance.

    Lukewarm tea?! THIS WILL NOT DO AT ALL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    Actually, the Tea Party does not support Romney and openly criticized him a great deal before he became the GOP candidate. The only support they have for him is lukewarm, begrudging acceptance.
    But that's my point: these grudging hill billies were the target of the campaign. Romney trying to win over what should be firm Republicans with a bit of the old crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    Actually, the Tea Party does not support Romney and openly criticized him a great deal before he became the GOP candidate. The only support they have for him is lukewarm, begrudging acceptance.
    Thats only because in the Primaries he was a Mormon and Gingrich, Santorum and who ever else was there was a better candidate for their party. Now he is the nominee or likely nominee and they will get behind him eventually. His trip to Israel only helps attract TPiers over to his side. It doesnt do much for liberals or independents unless the independents are conservatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MathiasOfAthens View Post
    Thats only because in the Primaries he was a Mormon and Gingrich, Santorum and who ever else was there was a better candidate for their party. Now he is the nominee or likely nominee and they will get behind him eventually. His trip to Israel only helps attract TPiers over to his side. It doesnt do much for liberals or independents unless the independents are conservatives.
    That's pretty much it which if you think about it, Romney's trip overseas was a complete success no matter how badly the MSM would like to spin it otherwise. He's getting the Tea Party folks behind him and that's what he needs to do to win. BTW, you forgot to mention Herman Cain, a black man, who those racist Tea Party folks would have embraced wholeheartedly...seems they liked his flat tax plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    In Poland, a campaign spokesman invited journalists to kiss his ass.
    Because the journalist was disrespectful by shouting questions while Mitt Romney was visiting the Polish Memorial for World War 2 casualties.

    After the Romney family laid a wreath at the memorial and paid their respects, a group of CNN, New York Times, and Washington Post reporters, it seems, starting yelling at the governor about the “gaffes” of his trip.

    CNN: “Governor Romney are you concerned about some of the mishaps of your trip?”

    NYT: “Governor Romney do you have a statement for the Palestinians?”
    Washington Post: “What about your gaffes?”

    NYT: “Governor Romney do you feel that your gaffes have overshadowed your foreign trip?”

    CNN: “Governor Romney just a few questions sir, you haven’t taken but three questions on this trip from the press!”

    Gorka: “Show some respect”

    NYT: “We haven’t had another chance to ask a question…”

    Gorka: “Kiss my ass. This is a Holy site for the Polish people. Show some respect.”

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/romn...and-kiss-my-a/
    The reporters were a bunch of idiots for shouting at a war memorial.




    There is nothing wobbly about the visit, and the coverage is focusing on the negatives not because Mitt Romney have many negatives but because journalists are stuck in narrative mode that Mitt is a flip-flopper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    Because the journalist was disrespectful by shouting questions while Mitt Romney was visiting the Polish Memorial for World War 2 casualties.
    Shouting back "kiss my ass", was of course the height of respect.

    There is nothing wobbly about the visit
    Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Shouting back "kiss my ass", was of course the height of respect.
    The aid got short tempers and apologized, but the journalists behavior was bad regardless.

    If you are being an , maybe you need someone to tell you to kiss a butt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.
    This phrase would actually make sense in this context if you used it to illustrate the fact that negative coverage of Romney is a constant and that we shouldn't expect anything else than a gaffe focused coverage is this is what the media wants to do. But why not randomly repeat 1984 quotes without thinking about it.

    Making news is becoming literal these days.
    « Le courage est toujours quelque chose de saint, un jugement divin entre deux idées. Défendre notre cause de plus en plus vigoureusement est conforme à la nature humaine. Notre suprême raison d’être est donc de lutter ; on ne possède vraiment que ce qu’on acquiert en combattant. »Ernst Jünger
    La Guerre notre Mère (Der Kampf als inneres Erlebnis), 1922, trad. Jean Dahel, éditions Albin Michel, 1934

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    The aid got short tempers and apologized, but the journalists behavior was bad regardless.

    If you are being an , maybe you need someone to tell you to kiss a butt.
    If you are a campaign spokesman, maybe you should be able to control your temper in front of the world's press?


    Quote Originally Posted by Vizvii View Post
    His gaffes are too embarrassing to be purely accidental.
    They're not, but nor are they strictly because he is incompetent, I think. I think they're purposeful, cynical statements to impress the more stupid and insular section of the US electorate and damn the consequences to US relations.
    Last edited by removeduser_487563287433; August 03, 2012 at 06:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    If you are a campaign spokesman, maybe you should be able to control your temper in front of the world's press?
    Maybe, but that is Mitt Romney's decision to make on whether Gurkah is a good employee or not, we all commit mistakes.
    « Le courage est toujours quelque chose de saint, un jugement divin entre deux idées. Défendre notre cause de plus en plus vigoureusement est conforme à la nature humaine. Notre suprême raison d’être est donc de lutter ; on ne possède vraiment que ce qu’on acquiert en combattant. »Ernst Jünger
    La Guerre notre Mère (Der Kampf als inneres Erlebnis), 1922, trad. Jean Dahel, éditions Albin Michel, 1934

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    The aid got short tempers and apologized, but the journalists behavior was bad regardless.

    If you are being an , maybe you need someone to tell you to kiss a butt.



    This phrase would actually make sense in this context if you used it to illustrate the fact that negative coverage of Romney is a constant and that we shouldn't expect anything else than a gaffe focused coverage is this is what the media wants to do. But why not randomly repeat 1984 quotes without thinking about it.

    Making news is becoming literal these days.
    When you never answer reporter's questions they keep asking them, and note errors that could've been avoided if you'd just answered the questions to boot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    Because the journalist was disrespectful by shouting questions while Mitt Romney was visiting the Polish Memorial for World War 2 casualties.

    The reporters were a bunch of idiots for shouting at a war memorial.

    There is nothing wobbly about the visit, and the coverage is focusing on the negatives not because Mitt Romney have many negatives but because journalists are stuck in narrative mode that Mitt is a flip-flopper.
    Do you know a simple two-word sentence that tells the press you don't want to talk to them? "No comment". That they were "shouting" or "yelling" is not true at all. They may have been quite aggressive in their questioning, but they certainly weren't yelling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    Do you know a simple two-word sentence that tells the press you don't want to talk to them? "No comment". That they were "shouting" or "yelling" is not true at all. They may have been quite aggressive in their questioning, but they certainly weren't yelling.
    Certainly the whole Mitt Romney candidacy is invalidated because an aid made a mistake for which He apologized afterwards.

    Being member of the press doesn't give you the right to be a jackass.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    I thought you said it was not a wobbly trip. So how can you admit there have been mistakes? Your posts are very inconsistent.
    wob·ble also wab·ble (wbl)
    v. wob·bled also wab·bled, wob·bling also wab·bling, wob·bles also wab·bles
    v.intr.
    1. To move or rotate with an uneven or rocking motion or unsteadily from side to side.
    2. To tremble or quaver: The child's voice wobbled with emotion.
    3. To waver or vacillate in one's opinions or feelings

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    it wasn't a wobbly trip.

    He achieved exactly what He wanted : To meet American allies and present his foreign policy, with endorsements from Bibi and Walesa, and his good poll numbers at home it seems that this is mission accomplished.
    Last edited by Menelik_I; August 03, 2012 at 06:48 AM.
    « Le courage est toujours quelque chose de saint, un jugement divin entre deux idées. Défendre notre cause de plus en plus vigoureusement est conforme à la nature humaine. Notre suprême raison d’être est donc de lutter ; on ne possède vraiment que ce qu’on acquiert en combattant. »Ernst Jünger
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    One of the main characteristics of the republican party is having poor(er) relations with the rest of the world and offending Europeans, surely this is Romney just towing the party line the effect being an endearment to mainstream republicans.
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    His gaffes are too embarrassing to be purely accidental.

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    Just for future reference, there's no such thing as a European trip. The only proper term is Eurotrip, and Romney's tour was simply an attempt to emulate the comedy of ignorant Americans on tour in the Old World.

    Though I can't really blame him for his comments on the Olympics, considering how even hours prior to their beginning there was concern after concern.

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    Okay. I wasn't implying he "flip-flopped". I was implying the trip went awry.

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    Ah yes, the supposed anti-British Obama needs to be replaced by Romney because he identified Anglo-Saxon ties.

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    Ok.

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