Suspending Disbelief: Obama Administration Proposes Race-Based School Discipline System

[Squiggle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYojV...eature=g-all-u

http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/27/ob...line-policies/

President Barack Obama is backing a controversial campaign by progressives to regulate schools’ disciplinary actions so that members of major racial and ethnic groups are penalized at equal rates, regardless of individuals’ behavior.

His July 26 executive order established a government panel to promote “a positive school climate that does not rely on methods that result in disparate use of disciplinary tools.”

But wait? I thought Obama was a moderate? No wait, hes actually a conservative. Hes a mainstream centre right conservative who the radical kkk extremist evil right wing republicans only oppose because hes sorta-off white in skin tone. Hed never do anything radical, he sure as hell isnt an american hating socialist progressive, and the most radical and divisive president in american history.

No siry bob, blinders on, heads down.

[Vanoi]

Can you please get a better source than youtube or the dailycaller? DailyCaller is known to have some right-wing bias.

[Menelik_I]

DailyCaller is known to have some right-wing bias.

Having ''some bias'' is not a disqualifying factor, also I don't recall you presenting objection to a news with ''some left bias'' in the past.

I heard of this stuff on the radio, it is surprisingly moronic of a public policy to follow, but this is not surprising coming from Obama because playing the race card is practically a full time job for him : ''The police acted stupidly'', Trayvon Martin, and voter ID lawsuits by the DOJ.

It was just a matter of time before the stupid argument (embraced by Ron Paul) that US justice system is racist because of black incarceration rates made it into the schools. This is going to make the schools of black kids even worse than before.

[Vanoi]

Having ''some bias'' is not a disqualifying factor,

Having some bias makes my question the source

also I don't recall you presenting objection to a news with ''some left bias'' in the past.

You will have to be pretty specific about the news with left-wing bias i didn't object to.

It doesn't matter really. I was right. the Daily Caller didn't get the story right. As others have said, this is basically a non-story.

[Admiral Piett]

I've done some digging, here is the Executive Order in question:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

"EXECUTIVE ORDER: WHITE HOUSE INITIATIVE ON EDUCATIONAL EXCELLENCE FOR AFRICAN AMERICANS

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, to restore the country to its role as the global leader in education, to strengthen the Nation by improving educational outcomes for African Americans of all ages, and to help ensure that all African Americans receive an education that properly prepares them for college, productive careers, and satisfying lives, it is hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1. Policy. Over the course of America's history, African American men and women have strengthened our Nation, including by leading reforms, overcoming obstacles, and breaking down barriers. In the less than 60 years since the Brown v. Board of Education decision put America on a path toward equal educational opportunity, America's educational system has undergone a remarkable transformation, and many African American children who attended the substandard segregated schools of the 1950s have grown up to see their children attend integrated elementary and secondary schools, colleges, and universities.

However, substantial obstacles to equal educational opportunity still remain in America's educational system. African Americans lack equal access to highly effective teachers and principals, safe schools, and challenging college-preparatory classes, and they disproportionately experience school discipline and referrals to special education. African American student achievement not only lags behind that of their domestic peers by an average of two grade levels, but also behind students in almost every other developed nation. Over a third of African American students do not graduate from high school on time with a regular high school diploma, and only four percent of African American high school graduates interested in college are college-ready across a range of subjects. An even greater number of African American males do not graduate with a regular high school diploma, and African American males also experience disparate rates of incarceration.

Significantly improving the educational outcomes of African Americans will provide substantial benefits for our country by, among other things, increasing college completion rates, productivity, employment rates, and the number of African American teachers. Enhanced educational outcomes lead to more productive careers, improved economic opportunity, and greater social well-being for all Americans. Complementing the role of Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) in preparing generations of African American students for

successful careers, and the work of my Administration's separate White House Initiative on Historically Black Colleges and Universities, this new Initiative's focus on improving all the sequential levels of education will produce a more effective educational continuum for all African American students.

To reach the ambitious education goals we have set for our Nation, as well as to ensure equality of access and opportunity for all, we must provide the support that will enable African American students to improve their level of educational achievement through rigorous and well-rounded academic and support services that will prepare them for college, a career, and a lifetime of learning.

Sec. 2. White House Initiative on Educational Excellence for African Americans.

(a) Establishment. There is hereby established the White House Initiative on Educational Excellence for African Americans (Initiative), to be housed in the Department of Education (Department). There shall be an Executive Director of the Initiative, to be appointed by the Secretary of Education (Secretary). The Initiative shall be supported by the Interagency Working Group established under subsection (c) of this section and advised by the Commission established under section 3 of this order.

(b) Mission and Functions.

(1) The Initiative will help to restore the United States to its role as the global leader in education; strengthen the Nation by improving educational outcomes for African Americans of all ages; and help ensure that African Americans receive a complete and competitive education that prepares them for college, a satisfying career, and productive citizenship.

(2) The Initiative will complement and reinforce the Historically Black Colleges and Universities Initiative established by Executive Order 13532 of February 26, 2010, and together, they both will support enhanced educational outcomes for African Americans at every level of the American education system, including early childhood education; elementary, secondary, and postsecondary education; career and technical education; and adult education.

(3) To help expand educational opportunities, improve educational outcomes, and deliver a complete and competitive education for all African Americans, the Initiative shall, consistent with applicable law, promote, encourage, and undertake efforts designed to meet the following objectives:

(i) increasing general understanding of the causes of the educational challenges faced by African American students, whether they are in urban, suburban, or rural learning environments;

(ii) increasing the percentage of African American children who enter kindergarten ready for success by improving their access to high-quality programs and services that enable early learning and development of children from birth through age 5;

(iii) decreasing the disproportionate number of referrals of African American children from general education to special education by addressing the root causes of the referrals and eradicating discriminatory referrals;

(iv) implementing successful and innovative education reform strategies and practices in America's public schools to ensure that African American students receive a rigorous and well-rounded education in safe and healthy environments, and have access to high-level, rigorous course work and support services that will prepare them for college, a career, and civic participation;

(v) ensuring that all African American students have comparable access to the resources necessary to obtain a high-quality education, including effective teachers and school leaders, in part by supporting efforts to improve the recruitment, preparation, development, and retention of successful African American teachers and school leaders and other effective teachers and school leaders responsible for the education of African American students;

(vi) reducing the dropout rate of African American students and helping African American students graduate from high school prepared for college and a career, in part by promoting a positive school climate that does not rely on methods that result in disparate use of disciplinary tools, and by supporting successful and innovative dropout prevention and recovery strategies that better engage African American youths in their learning, help them catch up academically, and provide those who have left the educational system with pathways to reentry;

(vii) increasing college access and success for African American students and providing support to help ensure that a greater percentage of African Americans complete college and contribute to the goal of having America again lead the world in the proportion of adults who are college graduates by 2020, in part through strategies to strengthen the capacity of institutions of higher education that serve large numbers of African American students, including community colleges, HBCUs, Predominantly Black Institutions (PBIs), and other institutions; and

(viii) enhancing the educational and life opportunities of African Americans by fostering positive family and community engagement in education; reducing racial isolation and resegregation of elementary and secondary schools to promote understanding and tolerance among all Americans; improving the quality of, and expanding access to, adult education, literacy, and career and technical education; and increasing opportunities for education and career advancement in the fields of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics.

(4) In working to fulfill its mission and objectives, the Initiative shall, consistent with applicable law:

(i) identify evidence-based best practices that can provide African American students a rigorous and well-rounded education in safe and healthy environments, as well as access to support services, which will prepare them for college, a career, and civic participation;

(ii) develop a national network of individuals, organizations, and communities to share and implement best practices related to the education of African Americans, including those identified as most at risk;

(iii) help ensure that Federal programs and initiatives administered by the Department and other agencies are serving and meeting the educational needs of African Americans, including by encouraging agencies to incorporate best practices into appropriate discretionary programs where permitted by law;

(iv) work closely with the Executive Office of the President on key Administration priorities related to the education of African Americans;

(v) increase the participation of the African American community, including institutions that serve that community, in the Department's programs and in education-related programs at other agencies;

(vi) advise the officials of the Department and other agencies on issues related to the educational attainment of African Americans;

(vii) advise the Secretary on the development, implementation, and coordination of educational programs and initiatives at the Department and other agencies that are designed to improve educational opportunities and outcomes for African Americans of all ages; and

(viii) encourage and develop partnerships with public, private, philanthropic, and nonprofit stakeholders to improve African Americans' readiness for school, college, and career, as well as their college persistence and completion.

(5) The Initiative shall periodically publish reports on its activities. The Secretary and the Executive Director of the Initiative, in consultation with the Working Group and the Chair of the Commission established under subsection (c) of this section and section 3 of this order, respectively, may develop and submit to the President recommendations designed to advance and promote educational opportunities and attainment for African Americans.

(c) Interagency Working Group.

(1) There is established the Federal Interagency Working Group on Educational Excellence for African Americans (Working Group), which shall be convened and chaired by the Initiative's Executive Director and that shall support the efforts of the Initiative described in subsection (b) of this section.

(2) The Working Group shall consist of senior officials from the Department, the White House Domestic Policy Council, the Department of Justice, the Department of Labor, the Department of Health and Human Services, the National Science Foundation, the Department of Defense, and such additional agencies and offices as the President may subsequently designate. Senior officials shall be designated by the heads of their respective agencies and offices.

(3) The Initiative's Executive Director may establish subgroups of the Working Group to focus on different aspects of the educational system (such as early childhood education, K-12 education, higher education (including HBCUs and PBIs), career and technical education, adult education, or correctional education and reengagement) or educational challenges facing particular populations of African Americans (such as young men, disconnected or out-of-school youth, individuals with disabilities, children identified as gifted and talented, single-parent households, or adults already in the workforce).

(d) Administration. The Department shall provide funding and administrative support for the Initiative and the Working Group, to the extent permitted by law and within existing appropriations. To the extent permitted by law, other agencies and offices represented on the Working Group may detail personnel to the Initiative, to assist the Department in meeting the objectives of this order.

(e) Collaboration Among White House Initiatives. The Initiative may collaborate with the White House Initiatives on American Indian and Alaska Native Education, Educational Excellence for Hispanics, Asian-American and Pacific Islanders, and (consistent with section 3(c) of this order) Historically Black Colleges and Universities, whenever appropriate in light of their shared objectives.

Sec. 3. President's Advisory Commission on Educational Excellence for African Americans.

(a) Establishment. There is established in the Department the President's Advisory Commission on Educational Excellence for African Americans (Commission).

(b) Commission Mission and Scope. The Commission shall advise the President and the Secretary on matters pertaining to the educational attainment of the African American community, including:

(1) the development, implementation, and coordination of educational programs and initiatives at the Department and other agencies to improve educational opportunities and outcomes for African Americans of all ages;

(2) efforts to increase the participation of the African American community and institutions that serve the African American community in the Department's programs and in education programs at other agencies;

(3) efforts to engage the philanthropic, business, nonprofit, and education communities in a national dialogue on the mission and objectives of this order; and

(4) the establishment of partnerships with public, private, philanthropic, and nonprofit stakeholders to meet the mission and policy objectives of this order.

The Commission shall meet periodically, but at least twice a year.

(c) Commission Membership and Chair.

(1) The Commission shall consist of not more than 25 members appointed by the President. The President shall designate one member of the Commission to serve as Chair. The Executive Director of the Initiative shall also serve as the Executive Director of the Commission and administer the work of the Commission. The Chair of the Commission shall work with the Executive Director to convene regular meetings of the Commission, determine its agenda, and direct its work, consistent with this order.

(2) The Commission may include individuals with relevant experience or subject-matter expertise that the President deems appropriate, as well as individuals who may serve as representatives of a variety of sectors, including the education sector (early childhood education, elementary and secondary education, higher education (including HBCUs and PBIs), career and technical education, and adult education), labor organizations, research

institutions, the military, corporate and financial institutions, public and private philanthropic organizations, and nonprofit and community-based organizations at the national, State, regional, or local levels.

(3) In addition to the 25 members appointed by the President, the Commission shall also include two members from the President's Board of Advisors on Historically Black Colleges and Universities (Board), designated by the President. In turn, the Board will henceforth include two members from the Commission, designated by the President. This reciprocal arrangement will foster direct communication and vital consultations that will benefit both bodies.

(4) The Executive Director of the Commission and the Executive Director of the Board shall convene at least one annual joint meeting between the Commission and the Board for the purpose of sharing information and forging collaborative courses of action designed to fulfill their respective missions. Such meetings shall be in addition to other prescribed meetings of the Commission or Board.

(5) The Executive Director of the Commission shall be a non-voting, ex officio member of the Board and shall be the Commission's liaison to the Board; and the Executive Director of the Board shall be a non-voting, ex officio member of the Commission and shall be the Board's liaison to the Commission.

(d) Commission Administration. The Department shall provide funding and administrative support for the Commission, to the extent permitted by law and within existing appropriations. Members of the Commission shall serve without compensation but shall be allowed travel expenses, including per diem in lieu of subsistence, as authorized by law for persons serving intermittently in the Government service (5 U.S.C. 5701-5707). Insofar as the Federal Advisory Committee Act, as amended (5 U.S.C. App.) (the "Act"), may apply to the administration of the Commission, any functions of the President under the Act, except that of reporting to the Congress, shall be performed by the Secretary, in accordance with the guidelines issued by the Administrator of General Services.

Sec. 4. General Provisions. (a) The heads of agencies shall assist and provide information to the Initiative as may be necessary to carry out the functions of the Initiative, consistent with applicable law.

(b) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

(1) the authority granted by law to an executive department, agency, or the head thereof; or

(2) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

(c) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

(d) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

BARACK OBAMA"

Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-...nce-african-am


Here is an alternative news story from the other side of the argument which summarizes it:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

President Barack Obama signed a highly acclaimed executive order July 26, one that will significantly improve the education of African Americans. For educators across the United States, the initiative is a long time coming. Many are hopeful the president's recent action will finally facilitate a level playing field for black children, most of whom have been receiving substandard classroom instruction in comparison to their white counterparts.



The White House Initiative on Educational Excellence for African Americans is the first strategy of its kind to be executed by the United States government since Brown v. Board of Education in 1954. On May 17, 1954, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that segregated schools were "inherently unequal" and ordered U.S. public schools to desegregate "with all deliberate speed." Many black Americans remember the rioting that ensued as a result of that order.


When African American students were bused across town to attend white schools in various parts of the South, communities across the country exploded with violence. The Little Rock Crisis, as it became known, was just one of many catastrophes that erupted when then President Dwight D. Eisenhower commanded schools to integrate. More than 1,000 U.S. Army paratroopers had to be called in to ensure the safe entry of nine black students set to attend Little Rock Central High School on Eisenhower's order. While most would agree the United States educational system has come a long way since then, tens of thousands of African Americans still perceive schools in predominantly black areas as inherently unequal to those in most white neighborhoods.



Many of the black children who attended the segregated schools of the 1950s have grown up to become college graduates, but incredible obstacles still exist for African American students. For instance, many black students are without access to safe schools that are not overrun with gang violence and drug related activity. Others receive less than adequate instruction from teachers who are underpaid and dispassionate about teaching their students. Furthermore, due to the low school tax paid by homeowners in lower end areas, a considerable number of black students do not have proper resources like computers and updated books. As a result, those who hope to attend prestigious universities or go on to pursue fulfilling and high-paying careers are often ill-equipped for life after high school.



As reported by the National Center on Educational Statistics, more than 34 percent of all black children live in poverty. Black students have higher dropout rates than white students -- the "event dropout rate" is 4.8 percent for blacks and only 2.4 percent for whites. Plus, the number of dropouts living in low-income families was about five times greater than the rate of their peers from high-income families.



Obama's recent initiative, which has been given a top priority status at the federal level, has been designed to counteract these impairing circumstances. Its aim is to offer every African American student an education that ensures the successful completion of high school, a college degree if so desired and a prosperous career.



The White House Initiative on Educational Excellence for African Americans has been created "to restore the country to its role as the global leader in education, to strengthen the Nation by improving educational outcomes for African Americans of all ages, and to help ensure that all African Americans receive an education that properly prepares them for college, productive careers, and satisfying lives."



The initiative comes on the coattails of Obama's expressed goal for America to have the highest proportion of college graduates in the world by 2020. In order to accomplish this objective, the administration recognizes the need to allocate extensive resources, increased academic assistance and better support services for African American students. These additional provisions are expected to produce a greater opportunity for black Americans to attend college, become teachers and improve employment rates.



The White House Initiative on Educational Excellence for African Americans will operate within the Department of Education to improve student achievement among black students, developing a national network of organizations to implement these practices. An executive director will be appointed by the secretary of education to execute and oversee the initiative, which will be supported by an interagency group established by the executive order. Specially crafted federal programs will also focus on meeting the unique educational needs of African Americans to ensure success of the program.



In order to deliver an inherently equal and competitive education for black students across America, Obama's initiative has outlined the following goals and objectives:

• Strengthen the nation by improving educational outcomes for African Americans of all ages; and help ensure that African Americans receive a complete and competitive education.
• Complement and reinforce the Historically Black Colleges and Universities Initiative and together, they both will support enhanced educational outcomes for African Americans at every level of the American education system.
• Increase general understanding of the causes of the educational challenges faced by African American students, whether they are in urban, suburban, or rural learning environments.
• Increase the percentage of African American children who enter kindergarten ready for success by improving their access to high-quality programs and services that enable early learning and development of children from birth through age five.
• Decrease the disproportionate number of referrals of African American children from general education to special education by addressing the root causes of the referrals and eradicating discriminatory referrals.
• Implement successful and innovative education reform strategies and practices in America's public schools to ensure that African American students receive a rigorous and well-rounded education in safe and healthy environments, and have access to high-level, rigorous course work and support services that will prepare them for college, a career, and civic participation.
• Ensure that all African American students have comparable access to the resources necessary to obtain a high-quality education, including effective teachers and school leaders.
• Support efforts to improve the recruitment, preparation, development, and retention of successful African American teachers and school leaders.
• Reduce the dropout rate of African American students by promoting a positive school climate that better engages African American youths in their learning and provide those who have left the educational system with pathways to reentry.
• Enhance the educational and life opportunities of African Americans by fostering positive family and community engagement in education.
• Reduce racial isolation and promote understanding and tolerance among all Americans.

It has been almost 60 years since the integration of public schools in the United States. While black and white students now attend classes together peacefully, our educational system still has a long way to go before it can claim that Brown v. Board of Education has fully and successfully implemented an equal presentation of educational opportunities to people of color.



Hopefully, in time, The White House Initiative on Educational Excellence for African Americans will truly bring about the kind of change sought by civil rights activities in the 1950s. Maybe, as a result of Obama's forward-thinking initiative, we will finally bear witness to more than just inherent equality, but a true and lasting colorblindness in the eyes of the U.S. educational system.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matthe...b_1722482.html


Just skimming through this, I can come to no general conclusion either way. On the one hand, I strongly oppose affirmative action. On the other, I do applaud the fact that they are recognizing the poor state of education in minority communities which has a direct relationship with their affiliation for violence and poverty and trying to do something about it.

[Squiggle]

I've done some digging, here is the Executive Order in question:



Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-...nce-african-am


Here is an alternative news story from the other side of the argument which summarizes it:



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matthe...b_1722482.html


Just skimming through this, I can come to no general conclusion either way. On the one hand, I strongly oppose affirmative action. On the other, I do applaud the fact that they are recognizing the poor state of education in minority communities which has a direct relationship with their affiliation for violence and poverty and trying to do something about it.

Yes, lets just do something -- anything-- rationality, common sense, equality under the law, all that be damned. So long as those racist s the democrats look as if they are busy doing something but taking fistful of cash from corporations.

[Dr Zoidberg]

Something does need to pointed out here from what I've read. I don't see where they are getting the race-based discipline equality thing from.

Anyway, anybody got a second source?

Edit: Doesn't seem to be anything about it in FF's source.

That's because it doesn't actually exist.

[Admiral Piett]

Yes, lets just do something -- anything-- rationality, common sense, equality under the law, all that be damned. So long as those racist s the democrats look as if they are busy doing something but taking fistful of cash from corporations.

Well, let's be specific here. Where in that executive order does it talk about a proposed race-based education discipline?

[Menelik_I]

Well, let's be specific here. Where in that executive order does it talk about a proposed race-based education discipline?

If you staff the body created by the executive order with the same people (or similar) who changed the education board mentioned in the article, you get the same result even though the executive order language is vague.

Even the HPost link you posted is vague as hell and the only thing it says is that ''Obama cares about black children'' in substance.

[justicar5]

Yes, lets just do something -- anything-- rationality, common sense, equality under the law, all that be damned. So long as those racist s the democrats look as if they are busy doing something but taking fistful of cash from corporations.

'taking fistfuls of cash from corporations' is the 50% of the reason for the republican party (the other 50% is global holy war and genocide.)

Its going to fail completely. The government can't mandate "black culture" and the left created much of this issue with the welfare state removing the need for fathers in the black community. Being they will never change THAT part of the equation we will see no improvement with this kind of feel good crap.

better that than the welfare for traitors..oh sorry CEOs that the republicans push. Nothing in this world wouldn't be made better by hanging every trader on wall street, and in the city of London.

[Phier]

better that than the welfare for traitors..oh sorry CEOs that the republicans push. Nothing in this world wouldn't be made better by hanging every trader on wall street, and in the city of London.

Please stay on topic, the rants get old.

[Sharpe's Company]

Executive Order -- White House Initiative on Educational Excellence for WHITE Americans




(1) The Initiative will help to restore the United States to its role as the global leader in education; strengthen the Nation by improving educational outcomes for WHITE Americans of all ages; and help ensure that WHITE Americans receive a complete and competitive education that prepares them for college, a satisfying career, and productive citizenship.

(2) The Initiative will complement and reinforce the Historically WHITE Colleges and Universities Initiative established by Executive Order 13532 of February 26, 2010, and together, they both will support enhanced educational outcomes for WHITE Americans at every level of the American education system, including early childhood education; elementary, secondary, and postsecondary education; career and technical education; and adult education.

(3) To help expand educational opportunities, improve educational outcomes, and deliver a complete and competitive education for all WHITE Americans, the Initiative shall, consistent with applicable law, promote, encourage, and undertake efforts designed to meet the following objectives:

(i) increasing general understanding of the causes of the educational challenges faced by WHITE American students, whether they are in urban, suburban, or rural learning environments;

i) increasing general understanding of the causes of the educational challenges faced by WHITE American students, whether they are in urban, suburban, or rural learning environments;

(ii) increasing the percentage of WHITE American children who enter kindergarten ready for success by improving their access to high-quality programs and services that enable early learning and development of children from birth through age 5;


(iii) decreasing the disproportionate number of referrals of WHITE American children from general education to special education by addressing the root causes of the referrals and eradicating discriminatory referrals;


(iv) implementing successful and innovative education reform strategies and practices in America's public schools to ensure that WHITE American students receive a rigorous and well-rounded education in safe and healthy environments, and have access to high-level, rigorous course work and support services that will prepare them for college, a career, and civic participation;


(v) ensuring that all WHITE American students have comparable access to the resources necessary to obtain a high-quality education, including effective teachers and school leaders, in part by supporting efforts to improve the recruitment, preparation, development, and retention of successful WHITE American teachers and school leaders and other effective teachers and school leaders responsible for the education of African American students;

Looks different now, doesn't it.

[Gaidin]

Bonus points to squiggle for very aptly demonstrating that you can try too hard.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Looks different now, doesn't it.

that doesn't sound different at all. If white people still suffered discrimination in America, and that fixed it, great.

The trouble here is one side percieves societal racism and wants to fix it, and the other side thinks there is no racism and the people trying to fix it are being racist in doing so. So the real question is, do the problems this executive order seek to solve exist? I think it must be if the governmnet is taking action against it, but hey we're a debating site.

[Sharpe's Company]

that doesn't sound different at all. If white people still suffered discrimination in America, and that fixed it, great.

The trouble here is one side percieves societal racism and wants to fix it, and the other side thinks there is no racism and the people trying to fix it are being racist in doing so. So the real question is, do the problems this executive order seek to solve exist?

This is discrimination against white students, how on earth can you not see it?

[removeduser_4536284751384]

This is discrimination against white students, how on earth can you not see it?

But it's not discriminating against Asians?

I don't know if black people in the US are worse off than anybody else because of their skin colour, but the government clearly thinks they are, and this aims to bring them up to the level of other ethnicities.

And I have a sneaking suspicion how much you value people depends on the colour of their skin.

[Phier]

Just skimming through this, I can come to no general conclusion either way. On the one hand, I strongly oppose affirmative action. On the other, I do applaud the fact that they are recognizing the poor state of education in minority communities which has a direct relationship with their affiliation for violence and poverty and trying to do something about it.

Its going to fail completely. The government can't mandate "black culture" and the left created much of this issue with the welfare state removing the need for fathers in the black community. Being they will never change THAT part of the equation we will see no improvement with this kind of feel good crap.

[Matthias]

Its going to fail completely. The government can't mandate "black culture" and the left created much of this issue with the welfare state removing the need for fathers in the black community. Being they will never change THAT part of the equation we will see no improvement with this kind of feel good crap.

Unfortunately, the welfare state isn't why we are where we are. It's the centuries of chattel slavery, decades of legal discrimination and segregation based on scientific theories of race, and continued racial bigotry that got us here and keeps us here, and it will take a long time to fix it.

And no, the goverment isn't mandating "black culture".

Are there no poor white schools with crime and poor outcomes in all of America?

Yeah, and if their race had a lot to do with it, then we should do something about that. If not, we should concentrate on what is causing it (there are a myriad of factors).

The issue I think is when you still focus on a racial group and base your world view on how that race is doing in relation to other races you are simply a racist. It ends up being counter productive in the long run as it continues to highlight "black inferiority" as a race trait.

No, it's called looking at reality and not closing your eyes to make racial disparities go away. Racial gaps exist because of history, and as much as some people want to forget that, it won't make the facts go away. And please stop misusing the term "racist", it's butchered enough already. Unless people subscribe to the theories of racism, they aren't racists.

[B. W.]

I'm just wondering, but does this have anything to do with kids in Washinton D.C. being paid to attend school?

And who foots the bill for this?

BTW, The Dailly Caller IS on the rightward tilt of the news. Sometimes I look at MSNBC to get their take on a story and then look at maybe a site like the Caller or American Thinker and the difference in how the issues are discussed is remarkable. Ocassionaly, I find the truth is somewhere in the middle.

[sumskilz]

Unfortunately, the welfare state isn't why we are where we are. It's the centuries of chattel slavery, decades of legal discrimination and segregation based on scientific theories of race, and continued racial bigotry that got us here and keeps us here, and it will take a long time to fix it.

Why then should we continue to use the unscientific category of race to solve problems which were created by belief in that category in the first place? Genetic clines exist, race doesn’t. Maybe that would be worth teaching in school since it seems most Americans still operate with this racialist mentality.

Unless people subscribe to the theories of racism, they aren't racists.

Okay, but racialist thinking is also divisive and ignorant.