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    I would like to open a discussion about the Greek extreme rightwing party "Golden Dawn" (GD) here.

    I first start by saying I don't like them, I consider them dangerous and their ideas detrimental to society.

    Then, I'll try to be objective:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece)

    And for those that can read it with the help of Google translate:
    http://www.xryshaygh.com/index.php/kinima


    The GD, that many Greeks consider a neo-nazi or fascist party has risen from 0.3% to nearly 7% in the last elections. The reasons about that are many and have to do with crime, that they managed to concentrate around their banner the extreme-right wing and those that feel threatened by the immigrants and of course, the economic recession.
    They reject the characterization that they are neonazis (although they have many similar views) although their leader published a praise to Adolf Hitler in the mid 80s, and they have some quite swastyka-looking symbols that GD claims they have been inspired by ancient Greece.

    In their position, GD clearly states that they don't consider every human being is born equal and that they are a nationalistic party. Members that are now in the parliament have declared "we're not peace-lovers" and that they consider every non-Greek immigrant as an illegal immigrant, even if he/she has been given citizenship by the Greek state, since they consider those citizenships were given illegaly.

    Before the last elections, their representative that is now in the parliament, beat up an old woman that is a communist MP. He's also under trial because he's suspected to have stabbed a leftwing anarchist 5 years ago.

    Since I try to be objective I'll say here that they have in their agenda to help Greek old people that live in areas with high crime and gather food for poor Greeks and other similar acts.

    EDIT: After a number of appeals, I changed the title to "Neonazi" since I was given enough links to support it.
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/newre...ply&p=11860005


    EDIT2: The left party of SYRIZA, or "coalition of the radical left" is a leftwing party that based on the crisis the two former "mainstream" parties brought on Greece, rised to honorable opposition.
    It has leftwings and far leftwings including anarchs.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaliti...e_Radical_Left

    They have done a couple of things that I agree with, but they're very leftwing and radical for my tastes. Also, they've recently started with very populist rhetorics, promising to give people rises on their salaries, back away from the bailout deal and find the money Greece's short from incountry sources and other fairy tales.

    MPs of SYRIZA have shown up as witnesses to defend far leftwing terrorists of 17 November, a terrorist organization that opperated in Greece for more than 20 years killing people.
    A person that was once considered as a canditate for SYRIZA's ballot, Amyras, was actively (youtube) asking people to organize in "Urban resistance" and fight with firearms, molotovs, axes against the "forces of oppression" and attack police stations etc.
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    Sounds like a cult from a Bethesda game.....

    But I digress.

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    When left wing parties run countries into ditches it always seems like fascist parties are able to pull them back out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird View Post
    When left wing parties run countries into ditches it always seems like fascist parties are able to pull them back out.
    they may take their people out a figurative ditch, but they usually throw their corpses in a real ditch.


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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    they may take their people out a figurative ditch, but they usually throw their corpses in a real ditch.

    Well yeah, but is that too high a price to pay to get the economy back on track? That seems to be what everyone wants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    they may take their people out a figurative ditch, but they usually throw their corpses in a real ditch.

    and these people where being thrown into a ditch the Soviet just a few months earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird View Post
    When left wing parties run countries into ditches it always seems like fascist parties are able to pull them back out.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democracy_%28Greece%29

    Center-Right = Radical Left now?

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    Lol this has been discussed a thousand times. I think you are obsessed with that party and that is worrying. That party was voted by a significant part of the Greek public and you gotta live with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manuel I Komnenos View Post
    That party was voted by a significant part of the Greek public and you gotta live with it.
    Yeah. So did the nazi party, the Fascist party and Metaxas.
    And we had a bloodbath of unprecented levels 15-20 years later.

    I'm indeed very worried that a significant part of the Greek public are either so desperate that vote for Neonazis or actually fascists themselves.

    These people are dangerous. The core of the party is as bad as Revolutionary Nuclei and Revolutionary Struggle. If supporters of and collaborators with those two terrorist organizations join Syriza and manage to elect 18 MPs what would you say? If 18 people like Amyras got in the parliament, openly saying they want to see all police stations burning and policemen and army attacked on the street, how would you feel?

    It's already bad with the anarchists and extreme members of KKE organizing in gangs to be "ready for the revolution". At least we have the police and the MAT to deal with those. That is unless the minister decides to tell the police to whistle uncaring while they burn Athens that is.

    We now add the Fascists to the gangs?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    Yeah. So did the nazi party, the Fascist party and Metaxas.
    And we had a bloodbath of unprecented levels 15-20 years later.
    What are you implying? Can you source your claim that GD is planning to install a dictatorship in Greece?

    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    I'm indeed very worried that a significant part of the Greek public are either so desperate that vote for Neonazis or actually fascists themselves.

    These people are dangerous. The core of the party is as bad as Revolutionary Nuclei and Revolutionary Struggle. If supporters of and collaborators with those two terrorist organizations join Syriza and manage to elect 18 MPs what would you say? If 18 people like Amyras got in the parliament, openly saying they want to see all police stations burning and policemen and army attacked on the street, how would you feel?

    It's already bad with the anarchists and extreme members of KKE organizing in gangs to be "ready for the revolution". At least we have the police and the MAT to deal with those. That is unless the minister decides to tell the police to whistle uncaring while they burn Athens that is.

    We now add the Fascists to the gangs?!?
    This matters little to me as the fact remains. ND and PASOK, provenly bankrupted Greece. They are far more dangerous and they have proved it. And still they govern us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manuel I Komnenos View Post
    However, alhoon feels it's best to continue this attack against the GD and ignore PASOK and ND.
    Indeed. I think it's my right and my duty to expose the neonazis and make my country a better place. I have attacked PASOK and ND aplenty in the past. The threat those two parties pose to myself and to my country is smaller than the GD.
    So yes, I'll keep attacking the Neonazis. God, I never thought I would have to do that. I thought Fascism was dealt with in the 40s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    Of course I can source it.
    Go check their official page. They declare they want to fight the parliamentary democratic system. in part 3.
    Post the exact part here.

    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    Indeed. I think it's my right and my duty to expose the neonazis and make my country a better place. I have attacked PASOK and ND aplenty in the past. The threat those two parties pose to myself and to my country is smaller than the GD.
    So yes, I'll keep attacking the Neonazis. God, I never thought I would have to do that. I thought Fascism was dealt with in the 40s.
    Are you ing serious? Are you aware of the state Greece finds herself right now? You choose to take the road of creating a imaginary enemy of Democracy and ignore that PASOK and ND bankrupted Greece and chopped our wages? Is ideology more important than your standard of living? Damn, that's just sad.
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    Perhaps Golden Dawn wouldn't have this much public support if the mainstream Greek political parties had not run the country into the ground in the first place. Doesn't justify the GD retarded political ideology, but I doubt the party would have gotten this far if Greece wasn't failing.

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    Why are people still calling these parties for extreme rightwing parties? Their views have nothing to do with conservatism, liberalism, capitalism or any other political ideology that can be considered rightwing.. They just want a country without any foreigners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeneas Veneratio View Post
    Why are people still calling these parties for extreme rightwing parties? Their views have nothing to do with conservatism, liberalism, capitalism or any other political ideology that can be considered rightwing.. They just want a country without any foreigners.


    Because historically nationalist parties have overwhelmingly been considered by scholars to be an extreme form of the right wing poltiical spectrum? They have for instance been supportive of capitalism and conservatism, an example being the facist parties of the 20th century while at the same time being opposed to socialism and communism.

    I think that's what most political scientists and scholars can agree upon. And of the rightwing political spectrum, nationalist parties have been called extreme because...yeah...that's what they are.


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    Do they have any policies outside of immigration? So far everything i have heard about this party is solely focused on that particular issue.

    ok went to the link and here is a translation of their positions:

    The Golden Dawn calls the Greek people to resist the organized plan of selling out the country. First stop believing the politicians of the Memorandum and mouthpiece, which falsehood against our Movement. To exit the country from the current national economic crisis and should immediately proceed to the following moves:
    - Termination of the Memorandum. Audit of debt and all loan contracts from 1974 to today and denied payment of illegal and burdensome debt
    - Creation of special audit teams to seek those responsible for the squandering of public money in all ministries and government agencies. Referral to a special court, imprisonment and confiscation of their property.
    - Abolition of the privileges of Members and restriction of their earnings to pay an official middle tier. Elimination of state funding to parties.
    - Immediate nationalization of banks that have received capital injections under the guarantee of the Greek public. Merge all falirismenon private banks in a strong national bank.
    - Establishment and delineation of the Greek EEZ and start drilling in all regions with confirmed oil and gas
    - Investment income from the nationalization of banks and our energy reserves in national production in order to again become self-sufficient country.
    - Ensuring the country's borders from the Special Forces of the Greek Army. Re-distribution of anti-personnel landmines Greek.
    - Immediate arrest and deportation of all illegal immigrants. Sui generis offense is whatever a foreigner. Penalties will not be served in prisons but in specialized detention facilities, which will also produce work for the government.
    To realize the required clearance above our political system by the servants of foreign interests. A national leadership that will serve only the Fatherland and the Greek people.
    Resist sell-off and submission!
    The BELONGS TO GREECE GREEK!
    The OUR COUNTRY TODAY
    Today our country is undergoing a profound crisis. Crisis of values ​​and ethics. Crisis economic, cultural and national. Greek society crushed under the brutality imposed by an orderly, decades now, the political system and foreign orders. Corruption is everywhere. Huge amounts of opacity, given to the elect and imeterous of each party state, which in any way support the regime. Any objections by existing parties in parliament and the unions are controlled for reasons of opposition and to serve the political game cheating the people.
    The cronyism, the party favors, putting incompetent but willing-to-serve system, the overregulation of the resulting conflicting - laws and photographic devices, and created an unstable failed state. Thus lost their creative forces and values ​​of the place.
    The devaluation of the national production
    The depreciation in almost all sectors of national production destroyed the productive fabric of transforming the country-at a rate of almost 80% - to a reseller, server import and foreign interests. The depopulation of the countryside, the methodical destruction of agriculture, the closure of sugar factories, textile and dozens of other productive sectors related to agricultural cultivation dramatically reduced local production. Result: the adequacy of internal and export to import more than 80% of products in our diet. A typical example of the bread, cereal, flour, etc., which produced more than 90% of imported grain. Hundreds of factories have closed and any industrial production continues to exist has been limited to areas that are either controlled or not prejudice the interests of the new global colonial system.
    Shipping us, a world power, and could be turned Piraeus into an international shipping center, contribute to the development of shipbuilding and other sectors of the economy, orderly apaxiothike. Our seamen, who contributed greatly to the establishment, with experience, diligence and pride, rather than be sought after, replaced by third world and led to unemployment and poverty. Lack of measures and standards of social responsibility, the looting of the reserves of NAT, the abolition of the Ministry of shipping and port body led to this result.
    Multinationals operate unchecked consumption patterns create fictitious and false needs. Not overwhelm with their products the country and impose their purchase, while entering into any insurmountable obstacles from uncontrolled Greek system development effort. Example: food chains massively promote imports and devalue the Greek. Science, research and technological development, rather than being in the service of society and development of the nation, controlled by few and serve the profit. For the Greek scientists who excel abroad and for foreign account is prohibitive every effort to offer their expertise and contribute to the development of our country.
    Cultural alienation, outlandish American subculture and ˙ recently and ... Turkish! The ongoing commercialization of arts and cultural alienation of our people imposed by the system using all means at its disposal. The outlandish American subculture, as recently Turkish, aimed at devaluation of Greek culture and to forget their manners, customs and traditions of our Nation.
    The educational system and provided by the State education has eroded further, and is controlled by anti-Greek. It provides essential knowledge and skills for integrated education and young people into society and the productive process. Does not promote the ethos and values. It aims to change the historical truth, the imperfect knowledge, individualism, in unhistorical, tolerant and easy prey for the system minions. Notable exceptions are some few teachers and young people who love their homeland and resist.
    Armed Forces: Dangerous weakening
    The weakened dramatically in the Armed Forces directly threaten the national integrity and independence of our country, the sovereignty and vital interests. The equipment, rather than be driven by national interest and the excellent shielding effect of the Armed Forces and also a growth driver, with technology transfer, cogeneration, research and ultimately the creation of Greek-heavy industry, an area of ​​scandals and dependence.
    The national issues have been abandoned. In the Aegean and Thrace roam the Turks, who, despite whatever resolutions and decisions of the UN-still own part of Cyprus. The dummies in Skopje falsified history and impinge on our Macedonia. The Albanian Northern Epirus quo kill our brothers and covets the Continent. The international anti-Hellenic system arranges the disintegration and decline of our country. Systemic parties, arranged in their role, and the people trapped in any way hinder the genuine popular national response.
    Our country is under occupation
    The corrupt local political establishment, hooked to power, perform all orders of dependence and subordination selling out his country. Driven to impose the international banking system given our national sovereignty. The integrity of our territorial dispute. The dispose of public property. The energy wealth bound. Violently crushed all incomes. Small and medium-sized businesses are closing. Hundreds of thousands of Greeks led to unemployment. Pensioners, the erstwhile "proud old age" - live in misery.
    Millions of illegal immigrants have invaded and continue to invade our country unchecked. Alter the population composition, so a few years the Greeks are a minority in our land and nation-state to become multiethnic and multicultural, as imposed by the international system of globalization. Crime is now rampant. Neglected infectious diseases reappear. The media are instruments vulgar propaganda. Misinform, mislead, harass and impose fear on the Greek people. It is part of the rotten political system. Controlled by megaloergolavous of entanglement, known pimps and the system of globalization.
    The Greek people are looking for a way out of the quagmire and pathogenesis. Looks and a dynamic leadership that will lead to uplift the nation, development and regeneration. Required to recognize the wrong choices now and find a solution outside of the existing parties in parliament.
    Each and every Greek Greek personally invited to reflect on their responsibility towards history, the land, themselves and future generations.
    The Golden Dawn against the corrupt system
    The Golden Dawn is a genuine grassroots nationalist movement, principled positions and program. It is the only political organization that fights against the corrupt system and those who conspire against the disappearance of the nation and the enslavement of our people. Reject the outdated ideologies and ideologies constructed artificially divide our people. The policy of the Golden Dawn joins the Greeks. It aims to create a National People's welfare state and with equal opportunities for all.
    We appeal to the Greeks and the Greek women who love their homeland and invite them to overcome the mistakes of yesterday and to thicken our ranks.
    For the Nation, the tribe and our people
    For a sovereign and independent Greece For a Greece that belongs to the Greeks For a New Golden Dawn of Hellenism
    Hellas has enormous strategic depth that can provide the limitless power and international influence. The strategic depth of Greece is the place of the Aegean sea and the extension, reaching the island of Cyprus.
    The geopolitical value of the region and the extra-unused currently-rich resources that can encompass not only to solve the economic problems of the modern state, but also earn him a prominent position in international economic and strategic chessboard. To implement this strategy really needed national leadership and purification of political life of the country by the servants of foreign interests.
    Strong Armed Forces are the only guarantee for the national integrity and independence of our country, safeguard the sovereign rights and secure the vital interests. Freedom and prosperity of our people depends on their strength.
    PROPOSALS FOR A NEW NATIONAL POLICY
    Termination of the Memorandum and all loan agreements committed the country. Release from international organizations that do not serve our national interests. Yes to Europe of Nations, not in Europe's capital and loan sharks. Determination of the Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) and new strategic alliances, geopolitically and historically acceptable to exploit the mineral wealth and support of national economic development. State law. All equal before the law. Repeal of the Law on Ministerial responsibility and immunity. Full control of the Occupying from 1974 until today and confiscation of property in the public for those who became rich at the expense of the Greek people. Incompatibility ministerial and parliamentary status. Distinction judicial, executive and legislature. Restructuring, consolidation and modernization of the legislation.
    Social protection
    Minimum decent living and secure the main residence. Debt cancellation for the relief of low economic strata and forced banks to renegotiate all loans. Supporting the large family of low-income pensioners and the unemployed. Effective health system and fight corruption. Customized programs to support workers, Maternity, vulnerable groups and youth.
    Elimination of waste
    Drastic reduction of governmental expenses. Reduction of salaries of Members. Reduced costs of parliament, presidency and party funding. Complete elimination of funding non-governmental organizations and secret funds of the relationship. Prohibition of direct or indirect state sponsorship and advertising to ours, and funding missions and organizations that serve national interests. Installation of all public services and organizations in privately owned buildings.
    Development - National production
    Released all the creative forces of the location and the Greek diaspora, simplified procedures with equal opportunities for all. The banking system is redefined in developmental and social. Create a stable fiscal environment, simple, and with social responsibility. The public is not a hindrance, but the engine of national development. As there can be no strong economy without private initiative, so it can not exist without the public sector. The strategic sectors of the economy controlled by the nation state. In the public sector the majority of shares remain in control of government.
    Special programs to support the requirements for agricultural production, craft, small and medium-sized businesses, professionals and young people. The agricultural bank withdraws from the stock market, is 100% state and becomes an essential driver of growth in agricultural production.
    National issues
    Macedonia is our land since ancient Greek times, the Tribe and birth of our Nation. Contributed greatly to the creation, dissemination and spread of Greek culture. Not conquered by the barbarians who invaded after hundreds of years. After the national uprising and the liberation struggles of our ancestors, most of the liberated. Today, some parts of it remain outside the National Backbone and the Greeks living there methodically persecuted. The anti-Greek globalization dummies using the arrangement of Skopje in order to alter the historical truth and to shrink Greece and Hellenism. No retreat for our Macedonia. An offense of high treason for any policies or not dare to bow as a hostile act against the Greeks for those who recognize the phony name.
    North Continent: Direct measures of support for staying in hostels, the improvement of living conditions, safety and education. Performance of citizenship to the Greeks of Northern Epirus. Implementation of agreed to Autonomy (Ref Corfu). Objective: the liberalization and integration with the motherland.
    Cyprus: Subscribe in any way in the struggle for liberation of the occupied. Performance of the Greek citizenship to the Greek and closer cooperation in all fields. Cyprus is Greece.
    Aegean: Extension of territorial waters to 12 nautical miles, a right enshrined in Article 3 of the International Convention on the Law of the Sea, without the assent of neighboring countries. Direct drawing the boundaries of the Greek continental shelf and Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) under the principle of median line, and taking as a whole the sea boundaries between Greece and Turkey, from the mouth of the Ebro to Kastelorizo. Create and island National Guard equipment. National Program of development of the islands in all productive sectors.
    Thrace: Closing the Turkish Consulate and expulsion agents in Ankara. Program epanellinopoiisis consciousness of Greek Pomaks. Sophisticated defensive armor of the Ebro.
    Foreign policy
    Multidimensional foreign policy and alliances with countries that respect the history and culture, defending our interests and ensure our nation. Create anti-Hellenic Centre for Research Activities.
    Armed Forces
    Restored the prestige of the Armed Forces. The promotion is based on faith in the nation, the capabilities and value of staff and not depending on how it is liked to corrupt politicians and foreign agents. All Greek troops required in 18 years of age. Those who refuse to do their duty to their country stripped of citizenship and expelled from society. Abolition of the famous "alternative" service. Create High Schools and Military Police direction. Special payroll for decent living standards of serving in the Armed Forces and Security Corps. The equipment to be made only through bilateral agreements, without intermediaries and with the interests of the nation, as a growth driver for the National production and heavy industry.
    Education
    Stable National timeless educational system and social culture. All stages of education are provided with the care of the state. Daily pre-treatment with full board. Basic education compulsory for all Greeks and Greek women, with 9-year period. Secondary education includes the High School and Lyceum directions created by our program, eg Classic, Positive, Sports, Art, Military, etc. Create professional colleges. Annotation of Ancient Greek philosophy.
    Culture
    Emergence of Greek art as an expression of soul and lifestyle. View support and dissemination within and abroad the values ​​of Greek culture and Greek language in all sectors. Protection and enhancement of archaeological sites and museums. Special programs to support artistic and cultural heritage.
    Religion
    Highlighting the national character of the Church. Upgrading of ecclesiastical education and culture with Greek Orthodox principles and ideals. Religious tolerance and respect for different religious choice, except in cases affecting the national interests and undermine Hellenism.
    Illegal immigrants, Egklimatikotita & Safety
    Illegal immigrants: Direct application of laws to deport all illegal immigrants - settlers. Illegal entry a felony, with mandatory community service. Commitment of those who rent property to property or employ foreigners without a residence permit and labor card. Dislocation of the illegal trade and all behind it.
    Crime and Security: Deportation of foreign criminals with intergovernmental agreements that are serving their sentences in countries of origin. Restructuring of the prison system and social work. Rearrangement and modernization of prison with a clear division in the type and severity of offenses. Reforming the Police Code and relevant legislation. Prevention and suppression of crime prevention and an example to stop being the place of attraction for criminals.
    Greek citizens: full political rights only to the Greeks and Greek women in gender and conscience, the only other city to have. The ownership of land and property is only for those who have full civil rights for those who have ˙ only urban property rightfully belongs to the public by the 99th year onwards.
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    Illegal immigrants, Egklimatikotita & Safety
    Illegal immigrants: Direct application of laws to deport all illegal immigrants - settlers. Illegal entry a felony, with mandatory community service. Commitment of those who rent property to property or employ foreigners without a residence permit and labor card. Dislocation of the illegal trade and all behind it.
    Wow, no concentration camps? No furnaces? God, Hitler must be turning in his grave...
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    Wow, no concentration camps? No furnaces? God, Hitler must be turning in his grave...
    And no sense of fashion ...


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    And no sense of fashion ...

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    To tell you the truth, these scenes do not differ from the political rallies of the past years (ND, PASOK, KKE).







    But actually, now that I think about it, there's a difference. The people you see in the political rallies of PASOK and ND are the scum who brought Greece to this point. The tax evaders, the lazy public servants, those who voted in exchange for jobs in the public sector and easy money. The GD supporters in the photo you posted are just people who are ideologically affiliated to the GD. This is their only crime. However, alhoon feels it's best to continue this attack against the GD and ignore PASOK and ND.
    Under the patronage of Emperor Maximinus Thrax
    "Steps to be taken in case Russia should be forced out of war considered. Various movements [of ] troops to and from different fronts necessary to meeting possible contingencies discussed. Conference also weighed political, economic, and moral effect both upon Central and Allied powers under most unfavorable aspect from Allied point of view. General conclusions reached were necessity for adoption of purely defensive attitude on all secondary fronts and withdrawing surplus troops for duty on western front. By thus strengthening western front [those attending] believed Allies could hold until American forces arrive in numbers sufficient to gain ascendancy."
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    Do they have any policies outside of immigration? So far everything i have heard about this party is solely focused on that particular issue.

    ok went to the link and here is a translation of their positions:

    The Golden Dawn calls the Greek people to resist the organized plan of selling out the country. First stop believing the politicians of the Memorandum and mouthpiece, which falsehood against our Movement. To exit the country from the current national economic crisis and should immediately proceed to the following moves:
    - Termination of the Memorandum. Audit of debt and all loan contracts from 1974 to today and denied payment of illegal and burdensome debt
    - Creation of special audit teams to seek those responsible for the squandering of public money in all ministries and government agencies. Referral to a special court, imprisonment and confiscation of their property.
    - Abolition of the privileges of Members and restriction of their earnings to pay an official middle tier. Elimination of state funding to parties.
    - Immediate nationalization of banks that have received capital injections under the guarantee of the Greek public. Merge all falirismenon private banks in a strong national bank.
    - Establishment and delineation of the Greek EEZ and start drilling in all regions with confirmed oil and gas
    - Investment income from the nationalization of banks and our energy reserves in national production in order to again become self-sufficient country.
    - Ensuring the country's borders from the Special Forces of the Greek Army. Re-distribution of anti-personnel landmines Greek.
    - Immediate arrest and deportation of all illegal immigrants. Sui generis offense is whatever a foreigner. Penalties will not be served in prisons but in specialized detention facilities, which will also produce work for the government.
    To realize the required clearance above our political system by the servants of foreign interests. A national leadership that will serve only the Fatherland and the Greek people.
    Resist sell-off and submission!
    The BELONGS TO GREECE GREEK!
    The OUR COUNTRY TODAY
    Today our country is undergoing a profound crisis. Crisis of values ​​and ethics. Crisis economic, cultural and national. Greek society crushed under the brutality imposed by an orderly, decades now, the political system and foreign orders. Corruption is everywhere. Huge amounts of opacity, given to the elect and imeterous of each party state, which in any way support the regime. Any objections by existing parties in parliament and the unions are controlled for reasons of opposition and to serve the political game cheating the people.
    The cronyism, the party favors, putting incompetent but willing-to-serve system, the overregulation of the resulting conflicting - laws and photographic devices, and created an unstable failed state. Thus lost their creative forces and values ​​of the place.
    The devaluation of the national production
    The depreciation in almost all sectors of national production destroyed the productive fabric of transforming the country-at a rate of almost 80% - to a reseller, server import and foreign interests. The depopulation of the countryside, the methodical destruction of agriculture, the closure of sugar factories, textile and dozens of other productive sectors related to agricultural cultivation dramatically reduced local production. Result: the adequacy of internal and export to import more than 80% of products in our diet. A typical example of the bread, cereal, flour, etc., which produced more than 90% of imported grain. Hundreds of factories have closed and any industrial production continues to exist has been limited to areas that are either controlled or not prejudice the interests of the new global colonial system.
    Shipping us, a world power, and could be turned Piraeus into an international shipping center, contribute to the development of shipbuilding and other sectors of the economy, orderly apaxiothike. Our seamen, who contributed greatly to the establishment, with experience, diligence and pride, rather than be sought after, replaced by third world and led to unemployment and poverty. Lack of measures and standards of social responsibility, the looting of the reserves of NAT, the abolition of the Ministry of shipping and port body led to this result.
    Multinationals operate unchecked consumption patterns create fictitious and false needs. Not overwhelm with their products the country and impose their purchase, while entering into any insurmountable obstacles from uncontrolled Greek system development effort. Example: food chains massively promote imports and devalue the Greek. Science, research and technological development, rather than being in the service of society and development of the nation, controlled by few and serve the profit. For the Greek scientists who excel abroad and for foreign account is prohibitive every effort to offer their expertise and contribute to the development of our country.
    Cultural alienation, outlandish American subculture and ˙ recently and ... Turkish! The ongoing commercialization of arts and cultural alienation of our people imposed by the system using all means at its disposal. The outlandish American subculture, as recently Turkish, aimed at devaluation of Greek culture and to forget their manners, customs and traditions of our Nation.
    The educational system and provided by the State education has eroded further, and is controlled by anti-Greek. It provides essential knowledge and skills for integrated education and young people into society and the productive process. Does not promote the ethos and values. It aims to change the historical truth, the imperfect knowledge, individualism, in unhistorical, tolerant and easy prey for the system minions. Notable exceptions are some few teachers and young people who love their homeland and resist.
    Armed Forces: Dangerous weakening
    The weakened dramatically in the Armed Forces directly threaten the national integrity and independence of our country, the sovereignty and vital interests. The equipment, rather than be driven by national interest and the excellent shielding effect of the Armed Forces and also a growth driver, with technology transfer, cogeneration, research and ultimately the creation of Greek-heavy industry, an area of ​​scandals and dependence.
    The national issues have been abandoned. In the Aegean and Thrace roam the Turks, who, despite whatever resolutions and decisions of the UN-still own part of Cyprus. The dummies in Skopje falsified history and impinge on our Macedonia. The Albanian Northern Epirus quo kill our brothers and covets the Continent. The international anti-Hellenic system arranges the disintegration and decline of our country. Systemic parties, arranged in their role, and the people trapped in any way hinder the genuine popular national response.
    Our country is under occupation
    The corrupt local political establishment, hooked to power, perform all orders of dependence and subordination selling out his country. Driven to impose the international banking system given our national sovereignty. The integrity of our territorial dispute. The dispose of public property. The energy wealth bound. Violently crushed all incomes. Small and medium-sized businesses are closing. Hundreds of thousands of Greeks led to unemployment. Pensioners, the erstwhile "proud old age" - live in misery.
    Millions of illegal immigrants have invaded and continue to invade our country unchecked. Alter the population composition, so a few years the Greeks are a minority in our land and nation-state to become multiethnic and multicultural, as imposed by the international system of globalization. Crime is now rampant. Neglected infectious diseases reappear. The media are instruments vulgar propaganda. Misinform, mislead, harass and impose fear on the Greek people. It is part of the rotten political system. Controlled by megaloergolavous of entanglement, known pimps and the system of globalization.
    The Greek people are looking for a way out of the quagmire and pathogenesis. Looks and a dynamic leadership that will lead to uplift the nation, development and regeneration. Required to recognize the wrong choices now and find a solution outside of the existing parties in parliament.
    Each and every Greek Greek personally invited to reflect on their responsibility towards history, the land, themselves and future generations.
    The Golden Dawn against the corrupt system
    The Golden Dawn is a genuine grassroots nationalist movement, principled positions and program. It is the only political organization that fights against the corrupt system and those who conspire against the disappearance of the nation and the enslavement of our people. Reject the outdated ideologies and ideologies constructed artificially divide our people. The policy of the Golden Dawn joins the Greeks. It aims to create a National People's welfare state and with equal opportunities for all.
    We appeal to the Greeks and the Greek women who love their homeland and invite them to overcome the mistakes of yesterday and to thicken our ranks.
    For the Nation, the tribe and our people
    For a sovereign and independent Greece For a Greece that belongs to the Greeks For a New Golden Dawn of Hellenism
    Hellas has enormous strategic depth that can provide the limitless power and international influence. The strategic depth of Greece is the place of the Aegean sea and the extension, reaching the island of Cyprus.
    The geopolitical value of the region and the extra-unused currently-rich resources that can encompass not only to solve the economic problems of the modern state, but also earn him a prominent position in international economic and strategic chessboard. To implement this strategy really needed national leadership and purification of political life of the country by the servants of foreign interests.
    Strong Armed Forces are the only guarantee for the national integrity and independence of our country, safeguard the sovereign rights and secure the vital interests. Freedom and prosperity of our people depends on their strength.
    PROPOSALS FOR A NEW NATIONAL POLICY
    Termination of the Memorandum and all loan agreements committed the country. Release from international organizations that do not serve our national interests. Yes to Europe of Nations, not in Europe's capital and loan sharks. Determination of the Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) and new strategic alliances, geopolitically and historically acceptable to exploit the mineral wealth and support of national economic development. State law. All equal before the law. Repeal of the Law on Ministerial responsibility and immunity. Full control of the Occupying from 1974 until today and confiscation of property in the public for those who became rich at the expense of the Greek people. Incompatibility ministerial and parliamentary status. Distinction judicial, executive and legislature. Restructuring, consolidation and modernization of the legislation.
    Social protection
    Minimum decent living and secure the main residence. Debt cancellation for the relief of low economic strata and forced banks to renegotiate all loans. Supporting the large family of low-income pensioners and the unemployed. Effective health system and fight corruption. Customized programs to support workers, Maternity, vulnerable groups and youth.
    Elimination of waste
    Drastic reduction of governmental expenses. Reduction of salaries of Members. Reduced costs of parliament, presidency and party funding. Complete elimination of funding non-governmental organizations and secret funds of the relationship. Prohibition of direct or indirect state sponsorship and advertising to ours, and funding missions and organizations that serve national interests. Installation of all public services and organizations in privately owned buildings.
    Development - National production
    Released all the creative forces of the location and the Greek diaspora, simplified procedures with equal opportunities for all. The banking system is redefined in developmental and social. Create a stable fiscal environment, simple, and with social responsibility. The public is not a hindrance, but the engine of national development. As there can be no strong economy without private initiative, so it can not exist without the public sector. The strategic sectors of the economy controlled by the nation state. In the public sector the majority of shares remain in control of government.
    Special programs to support the requirements for agricultural production, craft, small and medium-sized businesses, professionals and young people. The agricultural bank withdraws from the stock market, is 100% state and becomes an essential driver of growth in agricultural production.
    National issues
    Macedonia is our land since ancient Greek times, the Tribe and birth of our Nation. Contributed greatly to the creation, dissemination and spread of Greek culture. Not conquered by the barbarians who invaded after hundreds of years. After the national uprising and the liberation struggles of our ancestors, most of the liberated. Today, some parts of it remain outside the National Backbone and the Greeks living there methodically persecuted. The anti-Greek globalization dummies using the arrangement of Skopje in order to alter the historical truth and to shrink Greece and Hellenism. No retreat for our Macedonia. An offense of high treason for any policies or not dare to bow as a hostile act against the Greeks for those who recognize the phony name.
    North Continent: Direct measures of support for staying in hostels, the improvement of living conditions, safety and education. Performance of citizenship to the Greeks of Northern Epirus. Implementation of agreed to Autonomy (Ref Corfu). Objective: the liberalization and integration with the motherland.
    Cyprus: Subscribe in any way in the struggle for liberation of the occupied. Performance of the Greek citizenship to the Greek and closer cooperation in all fields. Cyprus is Greece.
    Aegean: Extension of territorial waters to 12 nautical miles, a right enshrined in Article 3 of the International Convention on the Law of the Sea, without the assent of neighboring countries. Direct drawing the boundaries of the Greek continental shelf and Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) under the principle of median line, and taking as a whole the sea boundaries between Greece and Turkey, from the mouth of the Ebro to Kastelorizo. Create and island National Guard equipment. National Program of development of the islands in all productive sectors.
    Thrace: Closing the Turkish Consulate and expulsion agents in Ankara. Program epanellinopoiisis consciousness of Greek Pomaks. Sophisticated defensive armor of the Ebro.
    Foreign policy
    Multidimensional foreign policy and alliances with countries that respect the history and culture, defending our interests and ensure our nation. Create anti-Hellenic Centre for Research Activities.
    Armed Forces
    Restored the prestige of the Armed Forces. The promotion is based on faith in the nation, the capabilities and value of staff and not depending on how it is liked to corrupt politicians and foreign agents. All Greek troops required in 18 years of age. Those who refuse to do their duty to their country stripped of citizenship and expelled from society. Abolition of the famous "alternative" service. Create High Schools and Military Police direction. Special payroll for decent living standards of serving in the Armed Forces and Security Corps. The equipment to be made only through bilateral agreements, without intermediaries and with the interests of the nation, as a growth driver for the National production and heavy industry.
    Education
    Stable National timeless educational system and social culture. All stages of education are provided with the care of the state. Daily pre-treatment with full board. Basic education compulsory for all Greeks and Greek women, with 9-year period. Secondary education includes the High School and Lyceum directions created by our program, eg Classic, Positive, Sports, Art, Military, etc. Create professional colleges. Annotation of Ancient Greek philosophy.
    Culture
    Emergence of Greek art as an expression of soul and lifestyle. View support and dissemination within and abroad the values ​​of Greek culture and Greek language in all sectors. Protection and enhancement of archaeological sites and museums. Special programs to support artistic and cultural heritage.
    Religion
    Highlighting the national character of the Church. Upgrading of ecclesiastical education and culture with Greek Orthodox principles and ideals. Religious tolerance and respect for different religious choice, except in cases affecting the national interests and undermine Hellenism.
    Illegal immigrants, Egklimatikotita & Safety
    Illegal immigrants: Direct application of laws to deport all illegal immigrants - settlers. Illegal entry a felony, with mandatory community service. Commitment of those who rent property to property or employ foreigners without a residence permit and labor card. Dislocation of the illegal trade and all behind it.
    Crime and Security: Deportation of foreign criminals with intergovernmental agreements that are serving their sentences in countries of origin. Restructuring of the prison system and social work. Rearrangement and modernization of prison with a clear division in the type and severity of offenses. Reforming the Police Code and relevant legislation. Prevention and suppression of crime prevention and an example to stop being the place of attraction for criminals.
    Greek citizens: full political rights only to the Greeks and Greek women in gender and conscience, the only other city to have. The ownership of land and property is only for those who have full civil rights for those who have ˙ only urban property rightfully belongs to the public by the 99th year onwards.
    Probably out of context, but this made me think this:

    Except, with the Persians representing the communist liberal immigrant scum that dare invade greece. FOR THE GLORY OF HELLAS!

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