Speculation on troops and legions

**akkakk** · August 02, 2012, 04:50 AM

I remember there was a lot of worrying about the military aspect of Rome 2 becomes too macro-managed (as in, not being able to move individual units on the campaign map, etc).

But i just had a thought: What if you dont have to?

For example, the main reason to move individual units, in my experience, would be to replace units that i lost in battle, or boost garrisons that have been attacked and lost men or units (might be different for others, but thats what i mainly used single units for).

But what if, when a unit is reduced to 0 men, the unit doesn't disappear? Instead, using the replenishment system of the Empire-Shogun 2 games, the unit is gradually rebuilt from 0 men?

it would inevitably lose all its experience, but it would get rid of the need to move single units about the place.

The other idea i had was based around whether it was possible to merge legions and troops. My idea was you could get a general (if needed, if not needed then you wouldn't need one) to 'create' a legion which would be made up of troops you want to distribute. you could then send this 'legion' marching about distributing the units in the areas needed.

Personally,i prefer the former idea using the replenishment system, but i was wondering what other ideas and views people have on how CA is going to prevent the military aspect becoming too macro-managed ( on the campaign map, at least).

**akkakk** · August 02, 2012, 05:23 AM

Just browsed Wikipedia and this caught my eye:

"Players can also customize legions by choosing their weapon loadout"

when was this announced?

**PlacidDragon** · August 02, 2012, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by akkakk

Just browsed Wikipedia and this caught my eye:

"Players can also customize legions by choosing their weapon loadout"

when was this announced?

I think it was Lusted (or i may remember wrong, lots of information from various sources at the same time) who mentioned it. It was also mentioned (again, i cannot recall exactly where) that you could "customize" your legions somewhat, there was mention of a "Cavalry heavy legion", and so on.

**akkakk** · August 02, 2012, 05:40 AM

Originally Posted by PlacidDragon

I think it was Lusted (or i may remember wrong, lots of information from various sources at the same time) who mentioned it. It was also mentioned (again, i cannot recall exactly where) that you could "customize" your legions somewhat, there was mention of a "Cavalry heavy legion", and so on.

so its referring to the makeup of the legion, not the actual equipment?

**PlacidDragon** · August 02, 2012, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by akkakk

so its referring to the makeup of the legion, not the actual equipment?

Both as i understood it, they were separate comments.

One comment suggested that you would have choices in equipping your men, the other comment suggested the legions themselves were somewhat "modular", in that there were cavalry heavy legions, heavy infantry heavy legions, and so on.

Undoubtedly we'll get more information in time

**akkakk** · August 02, 2012, 05:49 AM

Originally Posted by PlacidDragon

Both as i understood it, they were separate comments.

One comment suggested that you would have choices in equipping your men, the other comment suggested the legions themselves were somewhat "modular", in that there were cavalry heavy legions, heavy infantry heavy legions, and so on.

Undoubtedly we'll get more information in time

I really hope this isn't going down the multiplayer/Call of duty road.

**Nearby** · August 02, 2012, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by PlacidDragon

Both as i understood it, they were separate comments.

One comment suggested that you would have choices in equipping your men, the other comment suggested the legions themselves were somewhat "modular", in that there were cavalry heavy legions, heavy infantry heavy legions, and so on.

Undoubtedly we'll get more information in time

I remember the comment saying that you will be able to change weapons like sword types in your legions .. the idea behind it is that gladius (second edition) was used at that time but not much, but because you are making history, this means ,you are going to be able to modify units or legions with verious technologicaly advanced veapons..

**PROMETHEUS ts** · August 02, 2012, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by akkakk

Just browsed Wikipedia and this caught my eye:

"Players can also customize legions by choosing their weapon loadout"

when was this announced?

It's from the PC gameinterview where the Jamie Ferguson Says :

Fewer armies also means more control over their composition.
The Romans were resourceful when it came to appropriating foreign technology , and that will be reflected by giving the player a egree of control over how units are equpped."

Ferguson uses the example of the Spatha ...

The roman Cavalry sword.
Introduced by Germanic troops it didn't become part of the Roman war machine untill late in iperial period . if players want to introduce earlier however then Creative Assembly are keen to give them freedom to do so .

ThsIs also where the "CA makes the mistake" of attribuiting to German introduction the sword to romans when was instead the other way around , more and more germans where recruited in the roman army and they favored the spatha type ...

This also have lead to the abandonment of the original cohors fighting styles in favor of the barbaric individual men fighting style .... Introducing a spatha to the infantry shoudl reflect in a total overhaul of how the legions fight ... Wich is something CA is not caring about ...

**Lord Baal** · August 02, 2012, 08:11 AM

Wait what? Customize the legions... I hope is something with real substance and not just pretty hats.

**dom385** · August 02, 2012, 08:29 AM

It's also been said (many, many times) that you can still recruit individual units. But that you can also recruit an army, which I'm guessing means that rather than you clicking through towns filling the recruitment queues, it will do it for you. Although by the sounds of it you get to choose the composition of the army, so I'm not really sure how its any quicker and easier...But the thing about your armies having history sounds cool.

**akkakk** · August 02, 2012, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by Lord Baal

Wait what? Customize the legions... I hope is something with real substance and not just pretty hats.

If Valve got involved.........

Originally Posted by dom385

It's also been said (many, many times) that you can still recruit individual units. But that you can also recruit an army, which I'm guessing means that rather than you clicking through towns filling the recruitment queues, it will do it for you. Although by the sounds of it you get to choose the composition of the army, so I'm not really sure how its any quicker and easier...But the thing about your armies having history sounds cool.

Oh. Ok, didnt know that......

Originally Posted by Nearby

I remember the comment saying that you will be able to change weapons like sword types in your legions .. the idea behind it is that gladius (second edition) was used at that time but not much, but because you are making history, this means ,you are going to be able to modify units or legions with verious technologicaly advanced veapons..

Sounds pretty good actually....

**Lord Baal** · August 02, 2012, 10:07 AM

I like the approach of "recruit a whole army at once" but you still are able to recruit piece meal like. I would certainly recruit new armies to push forward my empire, while piece meal units will be more likely end up as a quick reinforcement source and police/defense duty in my towns.