Inheritance

[smilinga]

Something that I saw multiple times during the campaign which is a bit strange IMO is the fact that whenever some clan stay too long on the campaign map they stop having legitimate heirs and begin to choose whatever general they get to control the fate clan which doesn't make any sense :O a guy named Baba toshiyama became the leader of the Takeda Clan its true that sometimes they maked some general their heirs but these new leaders name a new general their heir... they dont bother too make any child, which breaks the game IMO. And I have the same problem with EVERY SINGLE CLAN that lives too long. Does anyone know a way to stop this from happening?

P.S murdering their non-legitimate heirs doesn't change anything since they just hire a new general. Killing the clan leader has the effect of making a new clan leader but who does the same, hiring a new heir.

[zhiphius]

Something that I saw multiple times during the campaign which is a bit strange IMO is the fact that whenever some clan stay too long on the campaign map they stop having legitimate heirs and begin to choose whatever general they get to control the fate clan which doesn't make any sense :O a guy named Baba toshiyama became the leader of the Takeda Clan its true that sometimes they maked some general their heirs but these new leaders name a new general their heir... they dont bother too make any child, which breaks the game IMO. And I have the same problem with EVERY SINGLE CLAN that lives too long. Does anyone know a way to stop this from happening?

P.S murdering their non-legitimate heirs doesn't change anything since they just hire a new general. Killing the clan leader has the effect of making a new clan leader but who does the same, hiring a new heir.

this wasnt a uncommon occurance. Uesugi kenshin was not of the uesugi clan but was appointed the head of the clan and at some point adopted the uesugi family name. His heir was not of the uesugi family initially either if i remember right.

One of the tachibana clans head was not of the tachibana clan either but married to the daughter of the previous head and thus was made head of the tachibana.

I can see how this is "out of context" if it happens to every clan, but then again if you keep assasinating their heirs and daimyo's where do you think their next head of clan comes from? thats right: loyal retainers

It wasnt unusual either to change heir if the current heir lacked the attributes for a leader.

[Erwin Rommel]

this wasnt a uncommon occurance. Uesugi kenshin was not of the uesugi clan but was appointed the head of the clan and at some point adopted the uesugi family name. His heir was not of the uesugi family initially either if i remember right.

One of the tachibana clans head was not of the tachibana clan either but married to the daughter of the previous head and thus was made head of the tachibana.

I can see how this is "out of context" if it happens to every clan, but then again if you keep assasinating their heirs and daimyo's where do you think their next head of clan comes from? thats right: loyal retainers

It wasnt unusual either to change heir if the current heir lacked the attributes for a leader.

http://www.freakonomics.com/2011/08/...-family-firms/

Lol..

You can’t choose your sons, but you can choose your sons-in-law.

[Condottiere 40K]

It's a tradition that persists to the present day in Japan, where a competent successor to family business marries a daughter of the house and becomes CEO when the head of the family steps down.

[smilinga]

I dont think you understand the problems :O they hire a general who has 40 years old who becomes the heir... then some years later he hires another general to become an heir. There are no marriage :O they juste hire them to become an heir, they dont have time to have a wife and kids. They just hire a new 40 years old heir again and again and again. No lineage no members of their family just ramdom guys who aren't related and since they declare an heir 5 turn after the clan is created I dont believe they had the time to have a daughter to mary the heir either :S

[Condottiere 40K]

The present generation demonstrates it's duty to the last by ensuring the survival of the next. The clan chieftain, so to speak, ensures that his grandchildren have the maximum amount of opportunities, whether directly through genetics or indirectly by competent management of the family resources.

[smilinga]

And? I dont get your point I had 8 vassals (mostly great clans) who survived after the year 1583 when I became shogun. Not a single one of the daimyo of those clan was a legitimate heir many years later. NOT ONE. If you check some great families in medieval Japan many were legitimate heirs and, in this time especially, wouldn't they care about who would be their heir? Its stupid that they always raises a general to be the heir without even TRYING to have one and, again, they dont even take their family's name they keep the name Kobayakama even tough they are daimyo :S

[smilinga]

And like your article says, adopting was a practice that dated back to the Tokugawa era. Not before, during the sengoku Jidai.

[smilinga]

well, not as much, I meant ^^

[Erwin Rommel]

Aye, but that only applies to the merchant class. As for the famous clans its been going on ever since Sengoku Jidai.

they keep the name Kobayakama even tough they are daimyo

Actually, Kobayakawa Hideaki was a daimyo himself BUT, he was not actually a Kobayakawa, he was adopted Kobayakawa Takakage who was also not actually a kobayakawa but born from the Mori Clan but again adopted into the Kobayakawa.

[smilinga]

I know it was just a random general name that the daymio of the takeda clan took rather than Takeda Xd it could have been any other. Like the tokugawa's in my game. Their new daymio is named kuchiba, and the daymio of the date clan is... another kobayakawa. And again, Hideaki took the kobayakawa name, but in every single one of my games, they never take the name of the adopting family.