About Turn per Year, Campaign Movement and Travelling.

[Marcus Aemilius Lepidus]

Hey guys. I was thinking about one thing that bothered me many times in Rome 1. Like in Medieval 2 we had 2 Turn per Year which was terrible in my eyes. 2 Turn per Year were logical in the first place, because CA wanted that we reached the End of the Campaign 14 AD. But in this case we lack identification with our Generals, because they die after ca. 100 Turns. I beleave in MedII we had also the problem that the aging was really strange, because we had 2 Turn, but the chars were agings 1 year in 1 turn if i remember correctly

Independent how many turns we have, we should look at the campaign movement. I my eyes it can't be that if i send a General from Rome to Alexandria he need 10 years for traveling. Also the difference between travelling per Ship and marching should be bigger. In the traveling season it was common to travel between Messina and Alexandria per Ship in 6-7 days. By Lucan it could be for traveling back also need 70 days, i beleave that has to do with the winds. Also there should be a zone in the middle of the ocean where ships got a malus on attrition like it is outside the coast regions in Shogun 2.

However CA did finally i would like to see a good relation between Turns and Movement per Turn, so that my young General is not a old man when he arrives the boarders of the empire.

[Petroniu]

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't 2 years per 1 turn how things were in Med2? 1 year per 2 turns was how it was in Rome only. Anyways, I hope they maintain the 4 turns per year because it's the one that makes more sense and it adds to gameplay.

[Marcus Aemilius Lepidus]

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't 2 years per 1 turn how things were in Med2? 1 year per 2 turns was how it was in Rome only. Anyways, I hope they maintain the 4 turns per year because it's the one that makes more sense and it adds to gameplay.

Offcourse. You be right. I wasn't rember correctly. Even if i played the vanilla i used a 4 turns per year mod. 2 years per 1 Turn was horrible.

I know its a big timeline, but than they just should increase the time for create buildings like in EB.

[Marcus Licinius]

I'ld rather 6 or 12 with the winter turns being servearly hampered, so build times go up at half rate and movement is a fraction of the summer/spring etc

[Petroniu]

I'ld rather 6 or 12 with the winter turns being servearly hampered, so build times go up at half rate and movement is a fraction of the summer/spring etc

No way, that's way too long man. I think 4 turns is the most balanced decision because it emulates each season of the year but it doesn't linger in them. I don't want a game where I have to constantly press the end turn button because there is nothing to do.

[Futski]

I'ld rather 6 or 12 with the winter turns being servearly hampered, so build times go up at half rate and movement is a fraction of the summer/spring etc

That many turns are fine for short time periods like FOTS and Napoleon, but i believe Rome is going to span over 200-400 years, and then we got 2400-4800 turns for a single game, and that's just too many.

4 is quite fine.

[Asgaroth]

No way, that's way too long man. I think 4 turns is the most balanced decision because it emulates each season of the year but it doesn't linger in them.

I agree.

Four turns are enough.

[Ariovist]

Definately more than 4 turns - but only with different starting years.
If this is not possible than at least 4 turns.

Just imagine you can have a general like Julius Caesar in your roman game and he dies of old age before he arrived in Egypt from Gaul via Rome.
A bit lame, don't you think?

[Petroniu]

Yeah, I recon that they did take a weird approach on the number of turns in Med2, but I hope that they have more experience about it and will do it properly now.

[Princeps]

Real time.

[Lord Baal]

Where's my 12 turns per year? That's right I DON'T fear a 7000 turns game.

[Luxchamp]

i voted 4 turns per year, but i agree that more would be better...

[Muizer]

To justify more turns per year, the strategic map has to pose challenges that fit that timescale. So, I would like to see more turns per year, but unless the strategic game becomes more intricate there's not much point.

[Marcus Aemilius Lepidus]

I did'nt put more than 4 turns in the poll because they will never made more than four in a campaign over 200 years. Its enough to show it in a post that you want more. More than 4 is something that maybe modding could bring.

By the way the thread is also about campaign movement

[Lord Baal]

Campaign movement needs to be scaled appropriately. It's silly to spend two years from Rome to Cartage on ship and the sort.

[Marcus Aemilius Lepidus]

Campaign movement needs to be scaled appropriately. It's silly to spend two years from Rome to Cartage on ship and the sort.

Yeah would be less than 3 days with good wind

[Petroniu]

Yeah would be less than 3 days with good wind

Nah, that was back in the old days when you had only a trireme at your disposal. Nowadays, with the much improved quinquireme and a strong slave rowers crew of the gaulish or germanic stock, you can make it in 1 day and a half! Needless to say about how comfortable it is to sail on a quinquireme than a trireme.

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[Lord Baal]

Really?

[Marcus Aemilius Lepidus]

Really?

Thas why i wrote less than 3 days. Its difficult for the travel dates on ship because we have to reconsider the dates of mostly poets ect. Lucan (or Lucian) give us travel dates, Cicero too (he needed weeks from rome to naples, with a lot of stops in the civil wars ).

Roman traveling per Ship was also very troublefull because the navigation was not that good and the ships werent that good in maneuvers. For example Napoli-Messina-Alexandria had 2 Travelroutes. The Northroute from Messina to Krete to Rhodos to south Türkey to Cypress to Palestina to Alexandria. The other way was from Sicily to North Africa. Interesting is that on the way back even the north route makes a jump from crete, greek to Malta. I guess it has to do with the lack of navigation and the winds.

[Chris1982]

I would like 4 turns a year (one turn for each season). Would IMO be perfect.