My pleas to CA concerning R2TW

[Carpathian Wolf]

1. Look at the Europa Barbarorum mod and take everything that you can from them and adopt it there. Focus on historical accuracy.

2. Don't give us lame add on "pay 10 bucks for 5 more units" type crap. Take your time...finish the game and give us a final product. I skipped both Empires and Shogun because of things like this.

3. Keep Multiplayer simple. Two sides, X amount of money, buy these troops, fight it out.


My 2 Dinars/Florins

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

is it not 3 dinars/florins?
and is florins not a currency used in florence in AD. 1400+
and is it not vain to criticize games you never played, just looked on?
and what makes you so damn sure that EB is 100% correct, then their can different sources saying different things, then it comes down to historical accuracy.
and isnt multiplayer not that right now ??

[Lord Baal]

is it not 3 dinars/florins?

It think the expression is "two cents", so he saying two dinars, florins or whatever is fine.

and is florins not a currency used in florence in AD. 1400+

Well, based on what he said you can conclude he bought and posses Rome Total War and Medieval 2 Total War. I don't think I have to point out anymore for you.

and is it not vain to criticize games you never played, just looked on?

Just as vain as assuming he hasn't played the demos, or in some friend PC the games. And even if he hasn't, you can still judge a game by reviews, pictures, videos, forums, checking out what the game have in the official page and simply using you brain while you do all that.

and what makes you so damn sure that EB is 100% correct, then their can different sources saying different things, then it comes down to historical accuracy.

No one said they are 100% accurate. No one can be unless some kind of time machine is invented. But it's a huge, overhaul, 100% improvement over the vanilla accuracy wise.

and isnt multiplayer not that right now ??

No is not, now MP is a convoluted and buggy riden mess involving the pursuit of shiny hats for a virtual doll. And the main game suffer from the whining of the immature crow that plays MP. On this two things: First, NOT EVERYONE in MP is a whiner or a immature. A lot of people that play MP are fine people. And second, if have to give kudos for CA for at least trying to separate a bit the MP and SP units. In Shogun 2 on the DB you can find a lot of SP units have an entry for MP, so they can have different stats for each. I encourage you to deliver the game with SP units with stats as realistic as possible and the MP units with the stats aiming for balance. Everybody is happy that way.

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

1: Just as vain as assuming he hasn't played the demos, or in some friend PC the games. And even if he hasn't, you can still judge a game by reviews, pictures, videos, forums, checking out what the game have in the official page and simply using you brain while you do all that.
2: No one said they are 100% accurate. No one can be unless some kind of time machine is invented. But it's a huge, overhaul, 100% improvement over the vanilla accuracy wise.
3: No is not, know MP is a convoluted thing involving the pursuit of shiny hats for a virtual doll.

1: But he really dont tell, and he is saying the problem lays in the dlc. And thats just weird, I understand if it was the game it self (becouse of bugs and what not), and not some dlc, becouse all of them is optional and not needed to enjoy the game itself.
2: as I said , but yeah Rome was a bit of the radar, but still a great game.
3: oki? I didnt knew, is hats that important for you? becouse for me it just a neat thing to the MP itself.

But I really cant see the big deal in unit dlc, they are neat and optional.

[Szlachta]

No is not, know MP is a convoluted thing involving the pursuit of shiny hats for a virtual doll. And the main game suffer from the whining of the immature crow that plays MP. On this two things: First, NOT EVERYONE in MP is a whiner or a immature. A lot of people that play MP are fine people. And second, if have to give kudos for CA for at least trying to separate a bit the MP and SP units. In Shogun 2 on the DB you can find a lot of SP units have an entry for MP, so they can have different stats for each. I encourage you to deliver the game with SP units with stats as realistic as possible and the MP units with the stats aiming for balance. Everybody is happy that way.

Guess you've never played Multiplayer then...

[stradar1]

It think the expression is "two cents", so he saying two dinars, florins or whatever is fine.
Well, based on what he said you can conclude he bought and posses Rome Total War and Medieval 2 Total War. I don't think I have to point out anymore for you.
Just as vain as assuming he hasn't played the demos, or in some friend PC the games. And even if he hasn't, you can still judge a game by reviews, pictures, videos, forums, checking out what the game have in the official page and simply using you brain while you do all that.
No one said they are 100% accurate. No one can be unless some kind of time machine is invented. But it's a huge, overhaul, 100% improvement over the vanilla accuracy wise.
No is not, now MP is a convoluted and buggy riden mess involving the pursuit of shiny hats for a virtual doll. And the main game suffer from the whining of the immature crow that plays MP. On this two things: First, NOT EVERYONE in MP is a whiner or a immature. A lot of people that play MP are fine people. And second, if have to give kudos for CA for at least trying to separate a bit the MP and SP units. In Shogun 2 on the DB you can find a lot of SP units have an entry for MP, so they can have different stats for each. I encourage you to deliver the game with SP units with stats as realistic as possible and the MP units with the stats aiming for balance. Everybody is happy that way.

/thread please

[Dagon]

I would like to be able to play a multiplayer campaign with 3 or 4 people instead of 2 like it is now. The army sharing during battle, like in Shogun 2 is good enough to keep all players occupied during battles.

[Medina]

I would like to be able to play a multiplayer campaign with 3 or 4 people instead of 2 like it is now. The army sharing during battle, like in Shogun 2 is good enough to keep all players occupied during battles.

I would already be happy if it worked without bugs. Now we have the end turn bug, the auto resolve bug and the desync bug in Multiplayer campaign. Me and my friends have lost a few hours on fixing them.

The gameplay is more important then your new fancy graphic system. I prefer Empire: Total War Graphics with perfect gameplay instead of new graphic engine with bugs and all that.

[ironbrigade]

1. Look at the Europa Barbarorum mod and take everything that you can from them and adopt it there. Focus on historical accuracy.

2. Don't give us lame add on "pay 10 bucks for 5 more units" type crap. Take your time...finish the game and give us a final product. I skipped both Empires and Shogun because of things like this.

3. Keep Multiplayer simple. Two sides, X amount of money, buy these troops, fight it out.


My 2 Dinars/Florins

agreed with all of the above

[Carpathian Wolf]

The issue isn't in the DLC itself, it is the manner in which the DLC is presented. For example, the Skyrim expansion "Dawnguard" is a full on expansion in the same manner Tribunal and Bloodmoon were for Morrowind. The DLC CA did for their series seemed like they were trying to nickle and dime us. Five bucks there, ten bucks there. Just make a final product and sell it. If you want to make an expansion and charge for it even more, by all means. But don't do the other stuff I was referring to.

Concerning Europa Barbarorum, it was spectacular and perhaps the best thing I have ever played with the name "total war" on it. Is it 100 percent historically accurate? No one is saying that. But it was much much better than RTW historical accuracy. Furthermore you can't really say "RTW was off the radar." It was THE series that put CA and Total war on the map. Shogun 1 and Medieval 1 were fine but Rome really put them there.

[krisslanza]

The issue isn't in the DLC itself, it is the manner in which the DLC is presented. For example, the Skyrim expansion "Dawnguard" is a full on expansion in the same manner Tribunal and Bloodmoon were for Morrowind. The DLC CA did for their series seemed like they were trying to nickle and dime us. Five bucks there, ten bucks there. Just make a final product and sell it. If you want to make an expansion and charge for it even more, by all means. But don't do the other stuff I was referring to.

Concerning Europa Barbarorum, it was spectacular and perhaps the best thing I have ever played with the name "total war" on it. Is it 100 percent historically accurate? No one is saying that. But it was much much better than RTW historical accuracy. Furthermore you can't really say "RTW was off the radar." It was THE series that put CA and Total war on the map. Shogun 1 and Medieval 1 were fine but Rome really put them there.

I don't think you get how DLC works. DLC is DLC because it wasn't a part of the main budget - they're separate budgets, which is why they're sold as DLC. It's not like CA made it in the game and said "You know what, let's remove it and sell it later."

[Carpathian Wolf]

I don't think you get how DLC works. DLC is DLC because it wasn't a part of the main budget - they're separate budgets, which is why they're sold as DLC. It's not like CA made it in the game and said "You know what, let's remove it and sell it later."

Doesn't matter. It's still lame. Give me all the crap together. Make expansions if you want. But no "5 bucks here 5 bucks there" bs.

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

Doesn't matter. It's still lame. Give me all the crap together.

YEah people should not be paid for their work...........

[Asgaroth]

1. Look at the Europa Barbarorum mod and take everything that you can from them and adopt it there. Focus on historical accuracy.

They said they will :

Unique culture for every faction
Unique roasters

2. Don't give us lame add on "pay 10 bucks for 5 more units" type crap. Take your time...finish the game and give us a final product. I skipped both Empires and Shogun because of things like this.

I agree I support you in this !!!

Don't even give us factions as DCL because that is just lame. You could always take time to make campaigns as DCLs like Alexander the Great or Caeasr in Gaul or even Diadochi wars, etc.

3. Keep Multiplayer simple. Two sides, X amount of money, buy these troops, fight it out.

I didn't played the multiplayer but I support you.

[Drtad]

3. Keep Multiplayer simple. Two sides, X amount of money, buy these troops, fight it out.

If you play classic battles, that is how it is... I don't see why they shouldn't have an avatar campaign, when there is the option to play classic mp battles. A lot of people enjoy the avatar campaign.

[leviath]

If you play classic battles, that is how it is... I don't see why they shouldn't have an avatar campaign, when there is the option to play classic mp battles. A lot of people enjoy the avatar campaign.

I wish you good luck waiting for someone to join a classic MP battles. It already took ages just after the game release. They are barely visible, and Shogun 2 is made of clone armies. This is why no one play them, it's boring without diversity.

It's fine that CA tried to bring new ideas for MP, they have to. But THIS was not the right ideas. The real TW MP is about factions vs factions without any fancy stuff to make battles unbalanced. You can't have decent TW MP battles if it is not fairly balanced. The atrocious lack of balance in Shogun 2 MP lead to "select your whole army and right click on enemy army" tactics while there were many many tactics on Rome and Napoleon's MP. People must really have no taste for tactics if they enjoyed Shogun 2 MP, if so then I advise them to stop playing RTS.

[krisslanza]

I wish you good luck waiting for someone to join a classic MP battles. It already took ages just after the game release. They are barely visible, and Shogun 2 is made of clone armies. This is why no one play them, it's boring without diversity.

It's fine that CA tried to bring new ideas for MP, they have to. But THIS was not the right ideas. The real TW MP is about factions vs factions without any fancy stuff to make battles unbalanced. You can't have decent TW MP battles if it is not fairly balanced. The atrocious lack of balance in Shogun 2 MP lead to "select your whole army and right click on enemy army" tactics while there were many many tactics on Rome and Napoleon's MP. People must really have no taste for tactics if they enjoyed Shogun 2 MP, if so then I advise them to stop playing RTS.

What's the fun in playing MP if there's no progression though? I can't get the appeal in classic. But then again, I don't get the appeal in any MP where you have to start over from scratch, instead of getting progressingly better stuff or something along those lines.

[Wodeson]

EB is a real achievement, but it's slanted more towards campaign than battles.

[Ichon]

So you have to be rewarded to play MP? I just do not understand that. MP is about fighting battles against non-AI and it should be fun from the competition. If there need to be ranks to set up somewhat equal skill battles that is ok but why special units, bonus, etc net for playing? That seems to say that the battles are boring in themselves and require special stuff to make it interesting.

[krisslanza]

So you have to be rewarded to play MP? I just do not understand that. MP is about fighting battles against non-AI and it should be fun from the competition. If there need to be ranks to set up somewhat equal skill battles that is ok but why special units, bonus, etc net for playing? That seems to say that the battles are boring in themselves and require special stuff to make it interesting.

Well I'm "Rewarded" for playing SP - my general can gain traits, and my units gain experience. If MP is just a blank slate everytime, I don't have much incentive to play it as there's no feeling of reward or progression, aside from beating another human player, which I don't particularly care for.

I just want to get my Warrior Nun's, Onna Bushi Heroine, and Gozen's Hime Heroines to max rank