PCGamer error on spatha or CA error?

[PROMETHEUS ts]

I. Seriously hope that ieven the inside game wiki will be correct ...

In gamespot little article says spatha , germanic origins weapon. Wich is absolutely wrong.
The spatha was favoured by germans after they could get hands on it , many nauxiliares too favoured it , but was a weapon evolved from the gladius and the celtic long sword ,developed by romans as cavalry weapon after the celtic longsword , then it replaced slowly the gladius in later armies due tomthe change of fighting style , less syncd with the surrounding companions and more individual fight . Tought more for hitting than stabbing. Many findings have been found of this kind of sword on german sites as well showing how those tribes favoured that weapon over others since it matched better their individualist fighting style. Later as the army got more and more german elements intomtheir ranks the spatha started to become the main weapon of the infantry and since then of the infantry for the whole middleages.

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

I mean that I once read a artikle, that the roman was copying the germans tribes weapon.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

The germans barely had weapons at first contacts , they got their swods from kelts and romans ... The roots of the long sword are celtic not germans , germans acquired them by the other two civs , favouring the roman evolution more solid and valuable.

[athanaric]

The germans barely had weapons at first contacts ,

Yes, and I heard they also ran around in wolf pelts and communicated using grunts and snarls.

[Heinz Guderian]

Yes, and I heard they also ran around in wolf pelts and communicated using grunts and snarls.

they still do in Dresden

[athanaric]

they still do in Dresden

But only on Sundays. And on April 20.

[Sir. Cunningham]

The Spatha is simply a straight sword of typical length and no'one can really conclude where it orginally came from, but it certainly could've been Germany. We do know that the Germans used such type swords extensively, as did the Celts, and there is little proof of who made use of such a weapon before the other.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

Refocusig on topic the main error was to affirm that the longsword is of germanic origins when is definetly not and if a root has to be tracked lies in celts .

[Sir. Cunningham]

Refocusig on topic the main error was to affirm that the longsword is of germanic origins when is definetly not and if a root has to be tracked lies in celts .

Both the Germans and the Celts used it at the same time period, so one cannot confidently conclude from where this type of sword originates.

[Sharpe]

I'm sure it is a very slight oversight. Some Germanic peoples certainly used the Spatha or weapons similar to that of their Celtic neighbours. Batavians etc.

The germans barely had weapons at first contacts

Bastarnae? One of many examples here.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

Well seems we all agree ... That altough giving an origin to the spatha is basically stupid as is in in the end just a longer gladius , that the "longer" sword was used by celts . Germans at the time whernt Great smiths or didn't have any valuable smithing production due to lack of the techniques owned by kelts, thus kelt is the actual origin of the sword lenght , the germans liked and favoured as their fighting style was more akin to the celtic one than the roman one whos fight style made use better of a shorter sword.
Then the CA committs an error attribuiting the assumption of the long sword with culture of germans as contact... They eventually should give to the keltic culture cintact....

Anyway romans did't adopt the long sword or fight if not later in time with more and more german warriors entering the lines of roman army and the roman army loose the fighting stile drill and conesion of earlier times favouring so a more open and man to man combat that favors the longer sword.

As for the spatha that is basically a longer gladius adapted by romans for horseback fighting , as a glasius was shorter to reach .... There wouln't need a genius to invent such a solution so it would be a mistake to provide long swords toncabalry only after cultural contact but should be coheve with the gladius... At least for cavalry.

[Marcus Aemilius Lepidus]

In Archäology we call every longsword a Spartha 300 BC till 1200. Diffrent cultures favoured and developed these things mostly independend from each other. There is no big technology behind it.

[Sir. Cunningham]

In Archäology we call every longsword a Spartha 300 BC till 1200. Diffrent cultures favoured these things mostly independend. There is no big technology behind it.

Yes, the Germanic tribes certainly had the technology to make this type of weapon, which is one of the reasons we can't rule them out.

The Chinese had also been using a straight double edged swords of roughly similar design since atleast 400 BC, if not earlier.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

In Archäology we call every longsword a Spartha 300 BC till 1200. Diffrent cultures favoured and developed these things mostly independend from each other. There is no big technology behind it.

At least something to agree upon , but I am countering the CA lead artist seem affirmation that the spatha was from germanic origins and that so romans coudl adopt only after meeting that culture , wich is a total wrong thing !

If it had to be done that way then it shoudl be celting eventually .

[DaVinci]

At least something to agree upon , but I am countering the CA lead artist seem affirmation that the spatha was from germanic origins and that so romans coudl adopt only after meeting that culture , wich is a total wrong thing !

If it had to be done that way then it shoudl be celting eventually .

I get the impression that you have a pretty sole-roman-centric view of the period along how you interpret things. Read Red Hue's post again, he is totally right there - except that one should/could mention, that Romans were the masters of "stealing" (adopting) technology/knowledge from other cultures and neighboring tribes, and even improved them to unmatched levels (in many instances) compared to the other european cultures and tribes of the time.

[Markas]

Any link to this article?

[Lord Dakier]

Wait till we hear that Romans didn't cut their toe nails... there will be revolt in the air I tell you!

[Princeps]

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[Princeps]

Germanics probably had the skill to produce weapons of great quality, like a long iron blade, but they didn't have the level organization and economies of scale that the Romans and other mediterranean cultures had. Thus they tended to employ very primitive weapons, including wooden clubs, in large scale.

The usual answer to the question "what weapons did they use?" is almost invariably "spears". And this is true for Germanics too: the spear was by far the most widely employed weapon in the ancient world, it was like the assault rifle of ancient armies.

Spatha was not a new innovation: Romans had chosen to employ short blades because it generally fit their style of warfare. Spears + short sword combination was superior to the spear + longsword combination.

[Adreno]

If germans dont have spathas i will not buy!!1!