Should the Barbarian/Greeks/Eastern factions be allowed to become "Romanized"

[JOZI]

Its kind of like Lithuania decided to change religions and unify with Poland, do you think a faction should be allowed-if under great pressure by another faction- be allowed to like, become a protectorate and not like in the traditional TW sense. For example if I decide to play as a say Macedon and Rome declared war on me, but I knew that I wouldn't stand a chance against them, do you think it would be cool to become "Romanised"

[Biggus Splenus]

This actually sounds like a good idea, it would avoid your entire nation been destroyed and the game ending. Might give you a chance to rise up against the tyrants suppressing you.

I VOTE YES

[Grimbold]

As long as it works with every faction sure.

[thebestant]

In what sense? do you mean for all your army and recruitment's to become roman soldiers? or take orders from them, lose your culture over theirs?

[Turkeys!]

Essentially that is just becoming a protectorate though...

[Horatio Hornblower]

Good idea!!

[JOZI]

In what sense? do you mean for all your army and recruitment's to become roman soldiers? or take orders from them, lose your culture over theirs?

Like you basically lose your culture and but gain the present Roman's culture kinda like in Teutonic Campaign in Med2 you would be forced to lose your culture but you would gain all of your possessor's culture and technology

[Maklodes]

Only if the Romans have the option to be Punicized if the Carthaginians are the ones pwning everyone else, and the Carthaginians have the option to the Gallicized if the Gauls are conquering the world.

Overall, I'd rather see factions have specialties, but be capable of operating outside of their specialty. If the Parthians try to train heavy infantry in the style of the Roman legions, they should not get as much bang for their buck as Romans do, and if the Romans try to train horse archers, they should not get as much bang for their buck as Parthians. However, I think that (realistic) fighting styles shouldn't be completely off-limits to any faction. It should take some work to adopt "non-native" styles, and rarely be worth it, but it shouldn't be impossible.

[Destraex]

Being able to use auxilliaries in a "area of recruitment" sort of way should be how it works.
Eventually the area will become soft and Romanised and then harder to get the traditional native troops from.

I guess though that the Byzantines are a good example of how an empire could embrace foreign concepts and fighting techniques according to need.
Just look at what there heavy cavalry and horse archers were like.

[Sir Winston Churchill]

I can see this being used in such a way Rome would be able to recruit levies out of your provinces, and take priority over recruitment slots (so if they suddenly decided to put in an order for 3 legions on top of your already long-awaited units, their's are built instead). They also demand tribute, yada-yada, but you're pretty much still a puppet-state.

Pros include Roman protection, access to Roman units/buildings/tech, but perhaps the entire non-Roman world would suddenly dislike you for it. Also, if you expand your borders, there is a chance that instead of you getting the province, Rome claims it for themselves.




But that's far too complicated for CA.

[Drtad]

I'm not quite sure I'm following... "Romanization" or "Hellenization" could come from going down certain parts of the tech tree but I don't know how it would work as a purely political decision. Kingdoms that became client or allied kingdoms didn't really adopt Roman culture and often maintained a lot of native traditions, not to mention it's hard to convert all the populace to become "Romanized" even if the political leaders do so in a gesture of submission.

[JOZI]

OK, I think I need to clarify a bit more, when I say Romanizing I basically mean that the faction that's becoming the protectorate will basically act like the families did in the first game, they will have a different cultural tech tree than the one they started out with, and of course switch cultures (for balancing purposes) result in a slight penalty, like civil unrest or lack of unit traits. I used Poland-Lithuania as an example because in a sense the Lithuanians gave up everything not to be persecuted and killed by the Teutonic order while still(even now) keeping the same ethnic identity.

[Drtad]

OK, I think I need to clarify a bit more, when I say Romanizing I basically mean that the faction that's becoming the protectorate will basically act like the families did in the first game, they will have a different cultural tech tree than the one they started out with, and of course switch cultures (for balancing purposes) result in a slight penalty, like civil unrest or lack of unit traits. I used Poland-Lithuania as an example because in a sense the Lithuanians gave up everything not to be persecuted and killed by the Teutonic order while still(even now) keeping the same ethnic identity.

I don't really agree... what's the historical precedent for the Roman Republican (and early Imperial) period? While Germanic groups did adopt aspects of Roman culture later on as they allied with Romans (ala the Franks) I don't think introducing it as a regular mechanic that factions can choose to adopt for survival is accurate. Enhancing the current protectorate system from NTW and S2TW and refining diplomacy with said protectorates (and how other major factions deal with your protectorates) would be satisfying, personally.

[Ultra123]

im not a fan of this idea to be honest, dont forget most of the 'protectoring' is done by the player and not imposed on the player in TW... this would handicap the ai too much,

I can see this being used in such a way Rome would be able to recruit levies out of your provinces, and take priority over recruitment slots (so if they suddenly decided to put in an order for 3 legions on top of your already long-awaited units, their's are built instead). They also demand tribute, yada-yada, but you're pretty much still a puppet-state

that sounds terrible to me unless it only enforcable onto a player controlled faction.

[Sir Winston Churchill]

that sounds terrible to me unless it only enforcable onto a player controlled faction.

Real life is terrible.

[Ultra123]

are you trolling or attempting to compare recruiting legions from a populace in say a newly conquered macedon to real life?


either way seems your rep is misplaced.

[Sir Winston Churchill]

are you trolling or attempting to compare recruiting legions from a populace in say a newly conquered macedon to real life?


either way seems your rep is misplaced.

Are you trying to say that Rome never recruited non-native Romans into their legions?

Socii or Foederati were citizens of states which had treaty obligations with Rome, typically agreements under which certain legal rights of the state's citizens under Roman law were exchanged for agreed upon levels of military service, i.e. the Roman magistrates had the right to levy soldiers for the Roman legions from those states.

And please, don't start with that rep . It's like me trying to tell you you have no idea what the you're talking about because you only have 600 posts. It means nothing other than I've been here longer than you, and possibly understand how the site works better.

[Ultra123]

as i said, a newly conquered macedon wont suddenly start fielding imitation legions in fact in would have most likely taken decades at the very least.

Originally Posted by Ultra123

that sounds terrible to me unless it only enforcable onto a player controlled faction.

Real life is terrible.

the 'rep thing' is because i repped you for a previous post but if that

Real life is terrible.

is your outlook on things then it is a misplaced rep point.

[JOZI]

as i said, a newly conquered macedon wont suddenly start fielding imitation legions in fact in would have most likely taken decades at the very least

of course.... remember I thought of this like in the middle of the night sooooo I didn't really think through all the details

[Geuvesa]

Factions that historically fielded "Imitation Legions" should be able to research them, maybe if you become a vassal of Rome you can field your own "imitation legions"? I also think this should work in tandem with AOR so you can create your faction specific units but also regional flavored units in a occupied area, say as Rome you may raise Macedonian Pezheretoi (SP?) in occupied Macedon.