Bring the old campaign map back!

[Tadajon]

The new map looks nice indeed.

But if you ask me, the old campain maps from STW and MTW were best for the AI.

You can discuss which map type (old vs RTW) adds more to the atmosphere of the game.
But the AI was far better on the old ones. As example, they could attack your provinces from all sides at the same time. Army Coordination is more difficult for the AI on the new civ-like-map

They have to improve the AI a lot. Otherwise original TW dies a slow dead and turns more and more into a standard RTS

Dont take me wrong, i love STW, MTW AND RTW - but i give nothing about high-res textures, if the original TW feeling loses more and more...

[Kaweh]

Hm... I think you are right about the AI... It was better (or let's say stronger) on the MTW map,and I also like the atmospheric look and feel of the MTW map.
But in RTW, you can blockade passes, bridges, build forts and towers - which is a great improvement too (especially the pass-blockade thingy, or the possible ambushes).

What I'd like to see is an AI that can handle this new, improved 3dMap.

K.K

[Hells Bells]

Hm... I think you are right about the AI... It was better (or let's say stronger) on the MTW map,and I also like the atmospheric look and feel of the MTW map.
But in RTW, you can blockade passes, bridges, build forts and towers - which is a great improvement too (especially the pass-blockade thingy, or the possible ambushes).

What I'd like to see is an AI that can handle this new, improved 3dMap.

K.K

the ai will never use those new things, they are at best possiblities for exploits to make a human player unbeatable.

[smoke]

the ai will never use those new things, they are at best possiblities for exploits to make a human player unbeatable.

I see you had the priviledge to play MTW2?

[God]

Just look at my last few posts in this thread and ask yourself "could this happen in Rome TW?" No, because the computer is too stupid to work out what to do.

If theuy can get the AI to act like this on the Rome map then it'll be perfect. If they can't, medieval's map will still be more fun, even without those fancy graphics.

CA has promised us it'll be improved... can we trust them? :hmmm:

[Tadajon]

The AI in CIV4 as comparison is not that bad at all, but only with huge bonuses.

In CIV4 the AI only has a chance, because empire building is the most important part of it. Even then, without huges bonuses the AI couldnt win.

In TW empire building is only a small part of the game and its all about army building/movement/placement and -of course- the tactical battles we all love so much since STW.

If you ask me, they should leave the new map-style for CIV 4 like games and give us the old campaign map back. They add IMO also more atmosphere to the game.

AND PLS, bring back the old throne room also!

[Kaweh]

AND PLS, bring back the old throne room also!

May I ask what the "Throne Room" is/was?

K.K

[Yosemite]

CA has promised us it'll be improved... can we trust them? :hmmm:

Yeah, like, they aren't GAME DEVELOPPERS.

[Ewan]

I loved the old risk style map but it will never happen again in a TW game. CA see's movin to a 3d map as progress and would not be a wise move to move back.

[Tostig]

I liked the old style of campaign map. It was more abstract.

The throne room was a nifty feature of S:TW. You could get there by being visited by a character such as foriegn merchants or a diplomat, or by clicking on a button. It was atmospheric (with sliding doors) and had a map of the world in front of you. Apart from being able to accept/decline offers as they were being read out by the chap, there was also a wise old man you could ask for advise.

[Tadajon]

Found some pics of the old throne room:





@Kaweh K.
STW had also ingame movies for some events. If your Assassin attacked someone, you got a 3d render movie showing either the success or the failure. If i remember correctly, they were 6 slightly different movies for each event of this type (3 for success and 3 for failure). The beginning of each movie is the same, so you know only at the and of each movie if you have success or not.

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

STW had also ingame movies for some events. If your Assassin attacked someone, you got a 3d render movie showing either the success or the failure. If i remember correctly, they were 6 slightly different movies for each event of this type (3 for success and 3 for failure). The beginning of each movie is the same, so you know only at the and of each movie if you have success or not.

These will be in MTW2 as well.
And according to CA they have made alot more of these types of movies that it will be rare that you see the same movie twice.

And I love the new map.
And if CA pulls through with the AI it will be even better.

[Tadajon]

Good to hear that :original:


Hope its like in STW. You know only at the end of each movie if you have success or not.

Later i do some STW movies with FRAPS and post them here...

[God]

That it?

I had shogun, but I didn't know how to get to it. I would try to find it but I've lost my copy of shogun...

[Kaweh]

That it?

I had shogun, but I didn't know how to get to it. I would try to find out how to get there but I've lost my copy of shogun...

I'd love to see something like that in ME2-TW...

K.K

[Kaweh]

Hey, thanks. Downloaded, although I'm not sure if I can watch it on this PC (Linux)

K.K

[Spiff]

The bad AI isnt really an argument to go back to the old style map, its more an argument to simply improve the AI. The potential for tactics and such playnig a more important role far outweigh the benefits of he old map

[The Mongol]

Haha, it was funny to see the Japanese dude come in and start speaking German.

[Tadajon]

lol

'the Japanese dude' was an diplomat with a peace offer. More stylish as the new ones from MTW and RTW eh? :wink:

[DougyM]

The new map looks nice indeed.

But if you ask me, the old campain maps from STW and MTW were best for the AI.

You can discuss which map type (old vs RTW) adds more to the atmosphere of the game.
But the AI was far better on the old ones. As example, they could attack your provinces from all sides at the same time. Army Coordination is more difficult for the AI on the new civ-like-map

They have to improve the AI a lot. Otherwise original TW dies a slow dead and turns more and more into a standard RTS

Dont take me wrong, i love STW, MTW AND RTW - but i give nothing about high-res textures, if the original TW feeling loses more and more...

I concur.

Playing MTW recently was a complete blast from the past.

I actualy got invaded by the AI!!!

i swear to god, after playing rtw for the past year and a bit... a couple hours of mtw and i was getting invaded as scotland (XL mod) by the alohmads... all 20,000 of them.

EPIC!

I would suggest a mix of the campaign maps...

You the defender can position your army wherever you want, if an enemy army moves into a territory with defenders then the fight automaticaly happens there and then.

I would like to get rid of the random battle locations RTW has....

i just want some way for the AI and you to meet on an arranged battle map.