Tsardoms Total War - FACTION PREVIEW: Banate of Bosnia

[Wallachian]

After all those images, preview texts and work all you could see is two units? Have you even read the texts?? They clearly state that those two units represent serbian and croatian minorities in the area (for example in Hum).

Have you even seen the other rosters? Every roster includes units from other groups, wallachians have cumans, bulgarians have tatars, ragusa have vlachs.

So if you are going to troll go somewhere else.

[Gorčin]

First of all the fundamental problem is that twcenter and aswell tsardoms in some point are a haven for croatian and serbian nationalist.Like your friend one click above your Avatar Wallachian. The devs of this mode(not all of them) are proven nationalist and have a biased and distorted wiev of everything that even conects with the notion of Bosnia.The prewiev of bosnia REEKS of croatian and serb nationalisam.You cant put devs in charge of bosnia development that openly neglects a ethnic group that created Bosnia in the first place.The explanation of puting final fantasy croatian man at arms and the serb warg riders is that Bosnia counqered serb and croat lands (ASSUMPTION define me serb and croat land), and that they encountered serb and croat minority another ASSUMPTION, and the biggest ASSUMPTION is that those unit recruted there are croat man at arms and serbian horse riders(names so generic and lack of credibility).And it isnt about posibble minoritys,its about a concensus between serbs and croat how to appease each other.

I am not against puting historical minoritys in rosters of other fatcions. But you need a hell more reaserch to do this when case Bosnia is present.People in Bosnia and neighbouring regions too didnt feel them self Croat or Serbian in the frickin 19 century, yet alone in the middle ages.You cant nationalise minoritys in the 13 ct as would you do in the 21 century, thats ludacris.

You want to hear something funny?.Serbs regarded croats just as a serb convert to chatolicisam,like they regard bosniaks as serb converts to islam.That however stoped when the Serbs were anihilated in operation Storm in the last war,when 200 000 serbs were expelled from Croatia.Now they are like "equals" because the serbs saw that croats are too big of a chunk to swallow.Now they are like unified in the partitionig of Bosnia like they were in the war(Bosnia fought on 2 fronts against the croatian army and serb army).And by that I mean not just waring with Bosnia,but also neglecting the notion of a ethnic indigenous group in Bosnia,bosnian language(that is far more fluent then its serb and croat counterparts) and anyting that conects with Bosnia,just in order to partition it.Something like Russians and Germans did in Poland-Lithuania.

You didnt created nothing natural or exact ( far from acurate) with this mode. You just countinued a well known practice that is well known here in Bosnia, and dont try to represent your biased and flawed reasearch like this is Bosnia proper.No it isnt...

[YourStepDad]

Right, and you are totally not biased.

[Hrobatos]

Neither you nor any one else is required to play Tsardoms.
Either ignore us or read a bit about somthing called historical
debate. While you are at it look up comparative historical method as well.

[Bladelok]

I'm just going to conquer them all with the Vasileia ton Rhomaion in my campaign, then they will all have the privilege of calling themselves "Rhomaioi" once again

And it won't matter if they were Bosnian, Croatian or Serbian, because they will be fighting the same enemies. Secundo Romae to the rescue!

[Wallachian]

Sorry but your posts are very hard to understand. What exactly are you complaining about?

Also, this preview was made by two Croatians so a bit hard to believe that Croatians were biased against their own. We try to be as objective as possible.

PS. Bosnian King has not been on this forum for a long time so don't bother replying to him.

[thekingsmen]

sory my eng. is bad so i didnt want to write much and explain,i would be ready to contribute to the research but im not in contact with those people,so i would preciate if u could give me them to talk,by the way im one who is borne in bobovac0(today kraljeva sutjeska) i know what my people are,dude im baptized in the curch were bosnian kings were baptized my relatives surnames are those of bosnian nobles so please i think i could be useful couse i care for this and medieval 25 in general!!

THANKS! AND SORY!

[Miszel]

We have to make some simplifications, and its obvious that not everyone will be happy with the outcome. Our mod gives possibility to change state religion so i see no problem with that. Kristjani Bosnia gives interesting dynamics to the gameplay in this region.

[Ghazi Warrior]

nice preview

[Hrobatos]

Being one of guys who was in charge of research, I can tell you that we have disscused in great deal all elements and came to what we considered to be most objective representation of historical reality.

Bosnia was not called Turkish Croatia like ever. That was called modern day area of North-western Bosnia, around Bihac, that was never part of Bosnian medieval state until Ottomans conquered it and joined it into Bosnian Eyalet.

[thekingsmen]

Being one of guys who was in charge of research, I can tell you that we have disscused in great deal all elements and came to what we considered to be most objective representation of historical reality.

Bosnia was not called Turkish Croatia like ever. That was called modern day area of North-western Bosnia, around Bihac, that was never part of Bosnian medieval state until Ottomans conquered it and joined it into Bosnian Eyalet.

ok if u can change it thats not so bad,but stil it think that those guys were etnicly croats+ in the eastern bosnia there vas not more serbs than minoritis in other countrys at that time, + some serbs acknowledge it,there were only 2 ortodox curches in bosnia!
http://www.dejanlucic.net/Lat/zlo_velike_jetre.html this is a serbian site and a serb!
i could say many more about this but ok! it is al ower now,and if i may ask how is the mod going? and do u have a profile on forum.hr

[Tango12345]

Lets stop the flame war now before it gets too bad shall we gents?

[Wallachian]

Dude stop replying to posts from years ago from people that have not even logged on in years.

[Hrobatos]

forum.hr

Im Ar-Pharanzor over there.

[Wallachian]

The faction preview has now been refreshed as all the screenshots had dead links. Everything is back now.

[doliwaq]

Sorry, but according to the latest findings, Krstjani were not Bogomils, but Christians who, living in isolation in Bosnia, had no contact with the rest of Christianity, and their religion was simply an archaic form of Christianity, not a Bogomil heresy.

[PavleSubich]

Sorry, but according to the latest findings, Krstjani were not Bogomils, but Christians who, living in isolation in Bosnia, had no contact with the rest of Christianity, and their religion was simply an archaic form of Christianity, not a Bogomil heresy.

They werent realy isolated.Its like saying katars were isolated.

There is alsov an acount of a high kristjani priest being at rome talking with the pope
That shows that they werent even heretics
Pope never had metings with heretics.

BTW
They were a sheperd form of christianity like in jesus time.
Bogumils are an lie of the yugoslavian(serbian) histography wich wanted to show them as a form of ortodoxity

[Hrobatos]

There are certainly different opinions on the subject. But to say that they had no contact with rest of Christianity while Bosnia was full of Ortodox and Catholic churches and monasteries is obviously not correct. It is also completel ignoring the fact that various reports both Catholic and Ortodox inform us that Bosnian bans gave shelter to Bogomils from Serbia and Bulgaria.

Stjepan Vukčić Kosača for example had both krstjani gost and ortodox priest as his advisors and kept good connections to Catholic church.