Faction - River Zora

[Eldren]

Mass spam ideas!

some units that may fit. {I'm having trouble with post. sorry. so I'm using links. }

some of them maybe better as roaming monster.

Nuranuru http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Nuranuru
Octoballoon http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Octoballoon
Octorok http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Octorok
Kyameron http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Kyameron
Gibo http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Gibo
Golden Octorok http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Golden_Octorok
Freezor http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Freezor
Crab http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Crab
Bari http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Bari
Biri http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Biri
Tektite http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Tektite
Turtle http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Turtle
Water Tektite http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Water_Tektite
Zirro http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Zirro.

Zirro fling enemy's who spit up {possible bomb flowers they eat}, and can only be kill by archers. and are only fond in the lakes. not bad for the Zalos.

moving on.


Zol http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Zol
Skullrope http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Skullrope

Slarok which could replace Octoroks as a more primitive version. http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Slarok

Slime http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Slime
Swamola http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Swamola
Pengator http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Pengator
Pirogusu http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Pirogusu
Popo http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Popo
Rope http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Rope.

thats all.

[Sage of Wind 890]

Cool heroes! Although i expected Baruuda Kan to be the great catfish.

[Duke Serkol]

Oi, so many uncharacteristically pretty River Zoras...
But I very much like the idea of a campaign playable faction without its own buildings. It's very original, fitting and like others mentioned I hope it allows Stalfos to be playable too.

any other unit ideas we can throw out? Maybe some of the firespitting guys, or an archer unit?

I expected the Ku to be firespitters... maybe they are?
Firespitters aside, all I can suggest is once more the "armorscale" Zora from AoL (that was only vulnerable to fire and capable of running on all four).

i still like the idea of somebody getting basic Octorocks, and River Zora make more than then the "Standard" Zora. I know they are a Wildlife unit, but they would fit right in.

I see your point, but we don't want the two factions to become too similar. Maybe Tektites?

We all went over this multiple times. The only explanation would be the difference between fresh water and salt water. Perhaps the Zora could not survive in the salt water of the great ocean? That is currently our only explanation for this pathetic plot hole. I still say it never should have happened.......

We did go over this several times... which is why it astounds me that you suggest SEA Zoras would get killed by salt water.
Didn't we pretty much all agree that the most reasonable explanation was that the Gods did not want the Zora to screw around with the underwater time-sealed Hyrule and therefore entrusted them to Valoo, making them into the Rito?

Cyclops Ku

Now THIS is what I call a River Zora! Lean but massively muscular and with sharp teeth!
I really think you should make a two eyed version and use it for the cannibals.

Swampmen

I see what you did there...

River Knights



The Zola conception of a knight is an armored psychopath with a lust to pillage and rape. These fully armored shock troops march with the largest of Zola armies and leave none of their targets in one piece by the time they are finished.

Mh, so is this or is this not a Geozard? It has the build but not the name (not in the description either).
Just curious really.

King Zarosef

I realize he's the king and would normally be the most protected and wealthy... but I'd still like for him to have a little less armor (it can't be easy to find one that fits him, and he'd probably be too much of a barbarian to care... think Khal Drogo).
Got no problem with the shield though, that's fair game

Also I'm glad he's officially in charge, even if he's a dumb oaf.

[Avatar of the Ice Wolf]

We did go over this several times... which is why it astounds me that you suggest SEA Zoras would get killed by salt water.

Do I ever make sense? Please, give me an instance where I did not say something totally insane at one point or another during one of our conversations. I can come up with some really good ideas, but it must be tempered by psychosis from time to time. For instance, this particular fail was fueled by forgetting that they were actually called Sea Zora, despite having personally called them just that not two days ago..... With that in mind, I then ask, "Why does anything I say astound you?"

Didn't we pretty much all agree that the most reasonable explanation was that the Gods did not want the Zora to screw around with the underwater time-sealed Hyrule and therefore entrusted them to Valoo, making them into the Rito?

I never agreed to this though.... Essentially what that says is "the gods did it magically" to an entire species to do what a simple seal or temple guard could have done. Since when have the Zora been known to go against their will anyway?

[UndyingNephalim]

Oi, so many uncharacteristically pretty River Zoras...

Not sure how scaled hell woman who eat people's faces is pretty, but to each his own I guess.

I expected the Ku to be firespitters... maybe they are?

They spit out fireballs.

Firespitters aside, all I can suggest is once more the "armorscale" Zora from AoL (that was only vulnerable to fire and capable of running on all four).

Was and still considering them.

I see what you did there...

Yaaaay someone caught it!

Mh, so is this or is this not a Geozard? It has the build but not the name (not in the description either).
Just curious really.

He's a Geozard. Geozards pretty much are just male River Zoras.

[Agent 51]

Are the Manhunters spearmen?

Because those weapons look a bit like spears.

[Duke Serkol]

They spit out fireballs.

Was and still considering them.

Goody! Are the Ku the only fire spitters? What about that Ku hero?

Yaaaay someone caught it!

You can count on me for that
I actually sorta wanted to suggest Swamp Zoras but couldn't think of any way to make them insteresting (in that game they're just a color swap). Kudos on that.
Let's avoid the boobed beaver though, shall we?

He's a Geozard. Geozards pretty much are just male River Zoras.

Uh, but this fellow seems male

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Cannibals

Yet does not have a Geozard physique.
Is it actually a female?

[Avatar of the Ice Wolf]

One last question and I'll be out of your hair with these guys.

Will there be any way to "defeat them", preventing future spawns, or will you have to deal with their incursions every once in a blue moon no matter what? Other factions you can stop by capturing all their settlements and defeating their armies. Just want to know if there is a comparable way to get rid of these guys.

[Mjolnr839]

So if Geozards are the Males, does that mean Manhunters, outrunners and Raiders are exclusively female?

[UndyingNephalim]

Uh, but this fellow seems male

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Yet does not have a Geozard physique.
Is it actually a female?

The cannibal is female. Which leads to...

So if Geozards are the Males, does that mean Manhunters, outrunners and Raiders are exclusively female?

Yeup.

One last question and I'll be out of your hair with these guys.

Will there be any way to "defeat them", preventing future spawns, or will you have to deal with their incursions every once in a blue moon no matter what? Other factions you can stop by capturing all their settlements and defeating their armies. Just want to know if there is a comparable way to get rid of these guys.

The only way to defeat them is to hold them off until the end of the campaign.

[Agent 51]

That last one is a very ominous way to state it.

Though does this mean that the only way you can lose is to lose all of your royal family?

[Avatar of the Ice Wolf]

That last one is a very ominous way to state it.

Though does this mean that the only way you can lose is to lose all of your royal family?

No royal family in HTW. Therefore, a faction cannot be "defeated" in the tradition ME II way.

[UndyingNephalim]

The only way for any faction to lose is for another to accomplish their respective victory conditions. You and everyone is in the game until someone wins or the turns of the campaign run out.

[Agent 51]

Ah. Didn't know that.

River Zora Confederacy.

[Duke Serkol]

So all factions will be able to keep going even if they lose all their settlements and standing armies? Wow... that would definitely be a game changer.

[Avatar of the Ice Wolf]

So all factions will be able to keep going even if they lose all their settlements and standing armies? Wow... that would definitely be a game changer.

It has been that way. They are still unable to do anything, but they are not technically on the list of "dead" factions because Medieval II requires the death of all royal family members before a faction is considered "dead". You can have factions with absolutely nothing on the map, and the blasted AI will not consider them on "dead" because there is no royal family tree they can judge by. For this reason, Nephalim had to change the victory conditions to "hold territory" instead of "eliminate faction". This is an advantage to the River Zora, since they can spawn troops in the river despite not having any standing cities. When Medieval II gives you lemons... make river zora.

[Duke Serkol]

...I think I misconstructed Neph's last post as hinting/saying that you'd still have a chance to recover even after losing all your settlements and armies, whether playing as the River Zoras or not.
That's what I meant would be a game changer.

I'm pretty sure I misunderstood though, so nevermind me

[GoldenGohma]

Hm... does this mean we'll be seeing different play style for other factions besides Stalfos Hordes and River Zora?

[Mjolnr839]

I know you want them to be nomadic and spawn all over, but is there any chance of them having a base in Lake Hylia? It's the largest body of water in Hyrule outside the seas, so I think it would make sense for a ton of River Zora to congregate there.

And on a similar note, do they have any special event concerning the Water Temple?

[Avatar of the Ice Wolf]

@Mjolnr

I believe the Water Temple has this "Unholy Origins" event listed. Not sure if this has anything to do with the River Zora, but I'd keep an eye out. The Water Temple will have something special attached to it.