Faction - River Zora

[UndyingNephalim]

Personally I'm still hoping for the ALttP Soldiers being the mystery faction somehow. Maybe as a warrior kingdom down south somewhere? Or maybe even over to the east to spice things up over there.

Maybe they'll show up somewhere. I'd keep my eyes on the lookout.

[Mjolnr839]

Maybe they'll show up somewhere. I'd keep my eyes on the lookout.

I'm so happy..............

I'm happier than tingle at children's playground right now.

[Duke Serkol]

*Angelic voice*

We forbid you to die, Lord Serkol. There is still much more mod to be experienced.

Ah... thanks. It's good to be back.

Ideally, for these guys we'd only need 5 models:

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Recruits


Guards


Soldier


Chief


Knight (hero unit)


Possibly a sixth (but not really neccessary, can use the "horned" model) the Bomb Thrower

The rest we'd be able to cover with recolors and weapon swaps, so...

I'm so happy..............

I'm happier than tingle at children's playground right now.

*dies of abject horror*

[Duke Serkol]

Oi, so many uncharacteristically pretty River Zoras...
But I very much like the idea of a campaign playable faction without its own buildings. It's very original, fitting and like others mentioned I hope it allows Stalfos to be playable too.

any other unit ideas we can throw out? Maybe some of the firespitting guys, or an archer unit?

I expected the Ku to be firespitters... maybe they are?
Firespitters aside, all I can suggest is once more the "armorscale" Zora from AoL (that was only vulnerable to fire and capable of running on all four).

i still like the idea of somebody getting basic Octorocks, and River Zora make more than then the "Standard" Zora. I know they are a Wildlife unit, but they would fit right in.

I see your point, but we don't want the two factions to become too similar. Maybe Tektites?

We all went over this multiple times. The only explanation would be the difference between fresh water and salt water. Perhaps the Zora could not survive in the salt water of the great ocean? That is currently our only explanation for this pathetic plot hole. I still say it never should have happened.......

We did go over this several times... which is why it astounds me that you suggest SEA Zoras would get killed by salt water.
Didn't we pretty much all agree that the most reasonable explanation was that the Gods did not want the Zora to screw around with the underwater time-sealed Hyrule and therefore entrusted them to Valoo, making them into the Rito?

Cyclops Ku

Now THIS is what I call a River Zora! Lean but massively muscular and with sharp teeth!
I really think you should make a two eyed version and use it for the cannibals.

Swampmen

I see what you did there...

River Knights



The Zola conception of a knight is an armored psychopath with a lust to pillage and rape. These fully armored shock troops march with the largest of Zola armies and leave none of their targets in one piece by the time they are finished.

Mh, so is this or is this not a Geozard? It has the build but not the name (not in the description either).
Just curious really.

King Zarosef

I realize he's the king and would normally be the most protected and wealthy... but I'd still like for him to have a little less armor (it can't be easy to find one that fits him, and he'd probably be too much of a barbarian to care... think Khal Drogo).
Got no problem with the shield though, that's fair game

Also I'm glad he's officially in charge, even if he's a dumb oaf.

[Avatar of the Ice Wolf]

We did go over this several times... which is why it astounds me that you suggest SEA Zoras would get killed by salt water.

Do I ever make sense? Please, give me an instance where I did not say something totally insane at one point or another during one of our conversations. I can come up with some really good ideas, but it must be tempered by psychosis from time to time. For instance, this particular fail was fueled by forgetting that they were actually called Sea Zora, despite having personally called them just that not two days ago..... With that in mind, I then ask, "Why does anything I say astound you?"

Didn't we pretty much all agree that the most reasonable explanation was that the Gods did not want the Zora to screw around with the underwater time-sealed Hyrule and therefore entrusted them to Valoo, making them into the Rito?

I never agreed to this though.... Essentially what that says is "the gods did it magically" to an entire species to do what a simple seal or temple guard could have done. Since when have the Zora been known to go against their will anyway?

[UndyingNephalim]

Oi, so many uncharacteristically pretty River Zoras...

Not sure how scaled hell woman who eat people's faces is pretty, but to each his own I guess.

I expected the Ku to be firespitters... maybe they are?

They spit out fireballs.

Firespitters aside, all I can suggest is once more the "armorscale" Zora from AoL (that was only vulnerable to fire and capable of running on all four).

Was and still considering them.

I see what you did there...

Yaaaay someone caught it!

Mh, so is this or is this not a Geozard? It has the build but not the name (not in the description either).
Just curious really.

He's a Geozard. Geozards pretty much are just male River Zoras.

[Duke Serkol]

They spit out fireballs.

Was and still considering them.

Goody! Are the Ku the only fire spitters? What about that Ku hero?

Yaaaay someone caught it!

You can count on me for that
I actually sorta wanted to suggest Swamp Zoras but couldn't think of any way to make them insteresting (in that game they're just a color swap). Kudos on that.
Let's avoid the boobed beaver though, shall we?

He's a Geozard. Geozards pretty much are just male River Zoras.

Uh, but this fellow seems male

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Cannibals

Yet does not have a Geozard physique.
Is it actually a female?

[UndyingNephalim]

Uh, but this fellow seems male

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Yet does not have a Geozard physique.
Is it actually a female?

The cannibal is female. Which leads to...

So if Geozards are the Males, does that mean Manhunters, outrunners and Raiders are exclusively female?

Yeup.

One last question and I'll be out of your hair with these guys.

Will there be any way to "defeat them", preventing future spawns, or will you have to deal with their incursions every once in a blue moon no matter what? Other factions you can stop by capturing all their settlements and defeating their armies. Just want to know if there is a comparable way to get rid of these guys.

The only way to defeat them is to hold them off until the end of the campaign.

[Duke Serkol]

*dies of heart attack*

[Avatar of the Ice Wolf]

*dies of heart attack*

*Angelic voice*

We forbid you to die, Lord Serkol. There is still much more mod to be experienced.

[Avatar of the Ice Wolf]

Arg, Mjolnr, you killed our beloved Serkol again by bringing up that deranged murderer.

I would suggest the Ball and Chain guy as a model, but I doubt that could even work with the ME II engine. In that regard, I'm good with those 5. Got any archer models? Oh, I almost forgot. *Casts resurrection*

[Duke Serkol]

Arg, Mjolnr, you killed our beloved Serkol again by bringing up that deranged murderer.

Back again, thanks! Actually it was mostly the result of thinking "Wait, why would Tingle be so happy to be in a children playground?"

I would suggest the Ball and Chain guy as a model, but I doubt that could even work with the ME II engine.

Like I was saying, that's the beauty of it:

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These guys

are these guys with a different weapon and color

And similarly

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Got any archer models?

so are these!

And we know Neph has no issue with recolors, just look at all those little fairies
Also, about the Ball & Chain, Neph said it's no so much that it can't be done... but rather that it's a royal pain in the arse to animate it.

[UndyingNephalim]

Also, about the Ball & Chain, Neph said it's no so much that it can't be done... but rather that it's a royal pain in the arse to animate it.

Yup ball and chains are possible, just probably the hardest thing to animate along with whips (coincidentally the two weapons Onox and Veran use?)

[Duke Serkol]

Going back on topic, anyone seen this OoT concept art poster?

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If you notice, it shows what Ruto would have looked like if Nintendo hadn't reinvented the Zoras completely for OoT (thus creating the "noble Sea Zoras" as would be later clarified inOracle of Ages)

Now that's what I expect a River Zora princess to look like. Kinda cute as a child but rather freaky as an adult!

[Avatar of the Ice Wolf]

I for one am glad Nintendo didn't stick with the River Zora design. Not only did it differentiate the Zora from the bad guys that were a royal pain at the beginning of the Original Legend of Zelda, but the noble Sea Zora are my favorite Zelda race. Yea, that would be a freaky-looking Ruto as an adult. Personally, I typically think of Ruto as the below picture whenever I hear her name. You can thank DeviantArt for that.

Credit to VanEvil:

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Back on the subject of River Zora, are they only going to spawn along a specific river, or on all rivers on the map? Also, how frequently can we expect them to pop up and become a pest?

[UndyingNephalim]

Now that's what I expect a River Zora princess to look like. Kinda cute as a child but rather freaky as an adult!

There will be female River Zoras of royalty in charge... they are matriarchal (surprise).

. Personally, I typically think of Ruto as the below picture whenever I hear her name. You can thank DeviantArt for that.
Credit to VanEvil:

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Van Evil actually did a lot of art for my last Zelda game. I wanted her to do loading screens for HTW but she sadly vanished off the face of the earth nearly a year ago.

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Back on the subject of River Zora, are they only going to spawn along a specific river, or on all rivers on the map? Also, how frequently can we expect them to pop up and become a pest?

They spawn on every river in the game except for the tributaries in the Misery Mire.

[Avatar of the Ice Wolf]

There will be female River Zoras of royalty in charge... they are matriarchal (surprise).

Actually, I thought they were to be patriarchal based on their king. Guess I was wrong there.

Van Evil actually did a lot of art for my last Zelda game. I wanted her to do loading screens for HTW but she sadly vanished off the face of the earth nearly a year ago.

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Small world. I was looking for images of Ruto, Lulu, and Zora in general that day and the picture I posted caught my eye. She does great work, I'll give her that.

They spawn on every river in the game except for the tributaries in the Misery Mire.

Ah great, so they are going to be a pain in the neck.

[Duke Serkol]

There will be female River Zoras of royalty in charge... they are matriarchal (surprise).

Oh come on ANOTHER one? What is it with you and matriarchies?

[The Holy Pilgrim]

Oh come on ANOTHER one? What is it with you and matriarchies?

Well, if you look at Hyrule, a lot of the factions have females as their leaders. Matriarchs are for Hyrule as for what Patriarchs are for Earth.

[Avatar of the Ice Wolf]

Well, if you look at Hyrule, a lot of the factions have females as their leaders. Matriarchs are for Hyrule as for what Patriarchs are for Earth.

This makes Darknuts (patriarchal) and Gorons (genderless, but tend to be seen as male so also patriarchal) the odd cards out.