Major Hasan Held in Contempt For Not Shaving

[Simon Cashmere]

Major Hassan has been ordered to shave or be shaved by the Court and found in contempt for not shaving his beard in the military hearing.


http://www.dvidshub.net/news/92149/m...e#.UBDHaKP_ktV

Major Jihad's argument is that having a beard is part of his religious obligation and refuses to shave. As it's a military hearing, he has to shave. It would be interesting to see whether his lawyers try to appeal the ruling, as it is an interesting point as to whether muslims have to shave beards and similarly, whether sikhs can wear turbans in the army, jews wear yamulkas etc. AFAIK - it has not been taken up to the US Supreme Court any time recently as to whether the US Army has to make religious accommodation for things like that.

As far as I am concerned, hold him down and give him a shearing. Something else that the military commission has been doing is suspending hearings during Ramadan. I think that is outrageous - as that then makes sharia law supreme over US Federal law. I'd say, it's great it's Ramadan so what - your hearing continues, you don't want to participate that's fine but its going ahead. Appeasing scum like this just makes the US look more weak than it actually is. It also sets a bad precedent - can any muslim suspend a trial by saying 'Ramadan'! and bringing the justice system to a halt?

So I am glad that this judge at least stood up to Major Jihad and said that he had to shave.

[motiv-8]

And? Did you miss the point where according to your own dubious source the court held him in contempt?

Tell us more about how Ramadan = sharia law. Is that all the rave over at Jihad Watch at the moment?

There's nothing even vaguely political about this. Looking forward to a Mod closing it.

[s.rwitt]

I know there was a case a few years ago of the Army allowing a sikh officer to wear a turban, don't know if it ever became policy or not. There are no-shave chits issued when medical personnel determine that shaving is detrimental to someone's health but this guy doesn't really have much of a case that he should be allowed to have a beard when he's been shaving throughout his entire military career.

And I'm not sure what justification there is for suspending hearings for Ramadan, beyond the whole "look how sensitive we are" thing. We sure as didn't suspend patrols during Ramadan and neither did the 'terps or ANA we were working with.

[alhoon]

And I'm not sure what justification there is for suspending hearings for Ramadan, beyond the whole "look how sensitive we are" thing. We sure as didn't suspend patrols during Ramadan and neither did the 'terps or ANA we were working with.

Did you suspend hearings for Christmas or the Jewish holidays?
If yes, then IMO, you should suspend hearings for muslims too. If not... then why do it just for one religion?

However: people should be aware of that when applying for a job in the military. If you are aware and you choose to go through, taking a risk that you may have to shave your beard on a court hearing or kill someone in 25th December, then you can't bulk away later.

[Menelik_I]

Of course we should be sensitive to major Hassan, He just coldly murdered soldiers who were returning from combat and their family members ... and He didn't do that in Ramadan, how sensitive was that ?.

I hope the martial court put this on the death penalty, He has to shave to conform to military etiquette.

[al Rashid]

Good for the judge. Let's also make sure his toe nails and pubic hair are within proper regulations before his hearing. Lord knows it's extremely important and totally relevant.

[s.rwitt]

Good for the judge. Let's also make sure his toe nails and pubic hair are within proper regulations before his hearing. Lord knows it's extremely important and totally relevant.

You don't really get how the military works, do you?

They make the rules. You don't get to say no.

[mongrel]

Only in the Mudpit could a minor case of military insubordination be considered a major political issue. What next, that he didn't shine his shoes properly? I would be more concerned about Hassan's crimes .

[motiv-8]

Here is the list of Military Commissions cases: http://www.mc.mil/CASES/MilitaryCommissions.aspx

I reviewed the cases and found exactly one case where the proceedings were moved for any reason remotely close to what Simon is claiming -- for the trial of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, whose trial was moved by a whopping ten days, and who has already spent years in prison, been tried by a military court once, tried by a civilian court once, and will never ever see freedom and will most likely be sentenced to death at the end of the proceedings. Cry me a ing river. The Office of Military Commissions hasn't even released the files of the motion to the public yet, so who knows if Ramadan is actually the reason. We're just going on the words of right-wing blogs right now. So no, this is not something the military "has been doing," it's happened exactly once, it just happened 6 years after the Military Commissions Act was set in place, and is incredibly unlikely given that Ramadan is a whopping 30 days out of a calendar of 365. It has absolutely no bearing on federal law -- or I guess the continuance of the case against Muhammad Abdu al-Nashiri this month so that he could have evidence collected against him translated into Arabic is the US Government being replaced by Arab terrorists.

[mongrel]

Here is the list of Military Commissions cases: http://www.mc.mil/CASES/MilitaryCommissions.aspx

I reviewed the cases and found exactly one case where the proceedings were moved for any reason remotely close to what Simon is claiming -- for the trial of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, whose trial was moved by a whopping ten days, and who has already spent years in prison, been tried by a military court once, tried by a civilian court once, and will never ever see freedom and will most likely be sentenced to death at the end of the proceedings. Cry me a ing river. So no, this is not something the military "has been doing," it's happened exactly once, it just happened 6 years after the Military Commissions Act was set in place, and is incredibly unlikely given that Ramadan is a whopping 30 days out of a calendar of 365. It has absolutely no bearing on federal law -- or I guess the continuance of the case against Muhammad Abdu al-Nashiri this month so that he could have evidence collected against him translated into Arabic is the US Government being replaced by Arab terrorists.

In other words, a lame attempt to revive the Eurabia conspiracy theory. Things must be quiet in Islamophobialand, if this is the only available vehicle to promote the ideology at the moment.

[al Rashid]

I hope Bin Laden had done his daily nose hair trimmings when he was sentenced to death "on the spot". That ear fuzz would not have been ceremonious at all.

@s.rwitt You really don't get how comedy works, do you?

[s.rwitt]

I hope Bin Laden had done his daily nose hair trimmings when he was sentenced to death "on the spot". That ear fuzz would not have been ceremonious at all.

The Bin Ladin that wasn't a member of the US military, wasn't in a US military courtroom, and hadn't agreed to follow the rules the US military dictated, including the grooming standard?

Again, the principle here is that members of the military don't get to disregard the rules that the US military sets. Even if it's just facial hair. You know, that whole "discipline" and "authority" thing you see in the movies.

@s.rwitt You really don't get how comedy works, do you?

Oh, is that what that was? It's just that I'm used to comedy being funny.

[al Rashid]

Really? You mean like when Major Hasan went to town on his own troops with an automatic weapon? Oh, but forget that, his stubble is obviously a bigger issue.

[mongrel]

Really? You mean like when Major Hasan went to town on his own troops with an automatic weapon? Oh, but forget that, his stubble is obviously a bigger issue.

Exactly.

[s.rwitt]

Really? You mean like when Major Hasan went to town on his own troops with an automatic weapon? Oh, but forget that, his stubble is obviously a bigger issue.

Because forcing him, like every other member of the military, to follow the rules means he can't also be held accountable for his crime. Astounding logic. Or was that more comedy?

I guess you'd have the military ask it's members nicely to follow it's regulations and simply move on upon refusal. What a great structure that would be.

[al Rashid]

Because forcing him, like every other member of the military, to follow the rules means he can't also be held accountable for his crime. Astounding logic. Or was that more comedy?

I guess you'd have the military ask it's members nicely to follow it's regulations and simply move on upon refusal. What a great structure that would be.

The astounding logic is that you believe a man who openly slaughtered his own soldiers on U.S. soil still believes and lives by some illusion of national military code; binding him not to lead more troops, not to fight insurgents, but forcing him.. to trim his facial hair. As if shooting his own comrades were not a show of his indifference and dissent to a much wider ideal and political goal. Yet the only thing you are concerned with is some trivial hygenic procedure? He should be hanging on the gallows, not sitting in a barber shop. I weep for mankind and this comical uproar over a goatee.

[Menelik_I]

http://www.examiner.com/article/fort...g-victims-list

From top left, Michael Grant Cahill, 62, of Cameron, Texas; Maj. Libardo Eduardo Caraveo, 52, of Woodbridge, Va.; Staff Sgt. Justin M. DeCrow, 32, of Evans, Ga.; Capt. John Gaffaney, 56, of San Diego, Calif.; Spc. Frederick Greene, 29, of Mountain City, Tenn.; Spc. Jason Dean Hunt, 22, of Frederick, Okla., Sgt. Amy Krueger, 29, of Kiel, Wis.; Pfc. Aaron Thomas Nemelka, 19, of West Jordan, Utah; Pfc. Michael Pearson, 22, of Bolingbrook, Ill.; Capt. Russell Seager, 51, of Racine, Wis.; Pvt. Francheska Velez, 21, of Chicago; Lt. Col. Juanita Warman, 55, of Havre de Grace, Md.; and Pfc. Kham Xiong, 23, of St. Paul, Minn. (AP Photo) where killed by Hassan in cold blood, at least we should feel good that He wouldn't do it if it were Ramadan.

At this point Hassan should drop the Jihadi victim complex and have the minimum of morals to attend his trial without psychobable about how this is all about his religion.

[mongrel]

At this point Hassan should drop the Jihadi victim complex and have the minimum of morals to attend his trial without psychobable about how this is all about his religion.

Amen to that. The issue with this thread is that it also appears to be psychobable about how this is all about his religion.

[frozenprince]

Hope they hold him down and shave the damned thing off. He killed 13 people, you don't get to have any excuses after that.

[Blaze86420]

Who's Major Jihad?