New York City Fire Department ordered to hire based on racism

[removeduser_4536284751384]

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/fede...entrance-exams

(CNSNews.com) – A federal judge is ordering the New York City Fire Department to implement racial quotas to address grievances from minorities who failed entrance exams.
On July 5 in Brooklyn, Nicholas G. Garaufis, a Clinton-appointed judge for the Eastern District of New York, issued a ruling that requires two of every five newly hired fireman to be black and one of every five, Hispanic -- until the department has fulfilled the court-ordered quota of 186 black and 107 Hispanic hires.
The ruling allows back pay -- totaling an estimated $128.7 million -- for minorities who failed written tests.
The court order is a response to a lawsuit alleging that two placement exams (Written Exams 7029 or 2043) for the FDNY were discriminatory against blacks and Hispanics, because fewer minorities passed the exam than whites. (See copies of the exams here.)

“Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits not only intentional discrimination, but also employment practices that appear to be fair in form but are discriminatory in operation"

Now I'm skeptical this test could have been designed to be racist, that is "discriminatory in operation". If it turns out one's skin colour can predict how well one does, surely that's probably social or something and nohhing to do with the test?

[nein]

this is why multiculturism will always fail

[Vanoi]

EDIT: Should have looked at the source more carefully. Thought it said CBS news, not CNS news. The source is biased.

[oppaiO_O]

im Hispanic myself and i say if they didn't pass was because they didn't study enough or something not racist at all though some could argue they were graded wrong and such but i dunno....

[Facupay]

Positive discrimination is still discrimination and eventually leads to even more racism.

[YuriVII]

I am a firefighter and in my opinion establishing racial quotas is completley bull for this job. When I am in a structure fire or out in the middle of the Texas bush fighting wildland fires. My comrades in hose need to be reliable not diverse- which we already are. For some suburban firestation in the middle of Texas we have hispanics, an Indian, and even myself- a Russian firefighter. We passed the tests, we train, we fight fires. We dont talk about diversity nor expected any preferential treatment. All Departments look up to FDNY as the Gold Standard of Fire Departments- even before 9/11. So their decisions will eventually effect trends nationwide.

Anyway, knowing the social dynamics of the firehouse, if a diversity hire comes in his prob-e period is going to suck worse than usual.

[SLN445]

Complete that seems to be happening more and more.

[Big War Bird]

I have a dream that my two little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by their performance on a written test but by the color of their skin.

[frozenprince]

I have a dream that my two little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by their performance on a written test but by the color of their skin.

Dr. King would be disgusted by Affirmative Action. It really does spit on everything the Civil Rights Movement did. Maybe 50 years ago such a law would help introduce minorities into a specific field. But now it's needless, and in fact inherantly racist in that only specific groups qualify.

[magickyleo101]

I have a dream that my two little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by their performance on a written test but by the color of their skin.

I'm pretty sure this is what they meant by that "white man's burden" thing they talked about in college... The burden of having an easier time getting a job; the burden of getting higher pay. I love the mudpit because I can come here and commune with those similarly disenfranchised.

[Sir Winston Churchill]

The reverse end of racism.

[Himster]

The reverse end of racism.

No it's not, it's just racism. Good old fashioned racism.
Luckily the proposal never came to term, still, it's retarded it was considered.

[Yoda Twin]

The article is misleading. Within the decision, the non-hired claimants are merely being awarded "priority hiring relief", that is given priority over other hopeful future firefighters. The claimants whom have been provided priority still have to pass the entrance exams (both written and physical) to gain entry into the Firefighter academy. On the quotas enforced by the court, the court held that if the pool of priority relief claimants had been exhausted before they reached the quota, then they'd no longer be required to hire on the 2:5 basis.

[mongrel]

The article is misleading. Within the decision, the non-hired claimants are merely being awarded "priority hiring relief", that is given priority over other hopeful future firefighters. The claimants whom have been provided priority still have to pass the entrance exams (both written and physical) to gain entry into the Firefighter academy. On the quotas enforced by the court, the court held that if the pool of priority relief claimants had been exhausted before they reached the quota, then they'd no longer be required to hire on the 2:5 basis.

Mmm sounds like Daily Mail style reporting , designed to provoke outrage amongst those not curious enough to see if the report is truthful. Racism feeds on such ignorance.

[DarkArk]

A federal judge is ordering the New York City Fire Department to implement racial quotas to address grievances from minorities who failed entrance exams.

Racial quotas are in fact unconstitutional, as ruled by the Supreme Court. Forget the name of the case, it was the one with the Vietnam-vet trying to get into med school.

[tarvu]

Typical mudpit, take a story from a totally biased source and make it out to be an attack on white people!!! If you'd listen to this forum white people are by far the most oppressed people of all time.

New York city is only 33% non-hispanic white, and yet the fire department is 91% white, so maybe there is an issue here after all.

The point made by those accusing the FDNY of discriminatory hiring practices isn't that black people and hispanics can't take tests as well as white people (which of course is what you all would LOVE to think), but instead that nepotism and the hereditary nature of the firefighter profession has produced this problem.

People who have firefighters in their family have help with the tests from those who have taken and administered them, thus carrying over the effects of racist hiring practices from the past (this has been an issue for over 75 years) into today.

Rather than judicial activism this effort represents four years of litigation after a study was published in 2007.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-10-06/u...cants?_s=PM:US


There will be a monitor in place to review their hiring practices to ensure they are not discriminatory. Not "a purely quota based hiring of completely UNQUALIFIED MINORITIES to take the jobs of our BRAVE WHITE HEROES".

The test was found to be facially neutral, it still produced discriminatory results without being overtly racist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disparate_Impact

There will still be a test and firefighters will need to be qualified. However hopefully the next written exam (only one part of the application process) has more to do with being capable of being a good firefighter rather than knowing one in your family.

[Vítor Gaspar]

Typical mudpit, take a story from a totally biased source and make it out to be an attack on white people!!! If you'd listen to this forum white people are by far the most oppressed people of all time.

New York city is only 33% non-hispanic white, and yet the fire department is 91% white, so maybe there is an issue here after all.

The point made by those accusing the FDNY of discriminatory hiring practices isn't that black people and hispanics can't take tests as well as white people (which of course is what you all would LOVE to think), but instead that nepotism and the hereditary nature of the firefighter profession has produced this problem.

People who have firefighters in their family have help with the tests from those who have taken and administered them, thus carrying over the effects of racist hiring practices from the past (this has been an issue for over 75 years) into today.

Rather than judicial activism this effort represents four years of litigation after a study was published in 2007.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-10-06/u...cants?_s=PM:US


There will be a monitor in place to review their hiring practices to ensure they are not discriminatory. Not "a purely quota based hiring of completely UNQUALIFIED MINORITIES to take the jobs of our BRAVE WHITE HEROES".

The test was found to be facially neutral, it still produced discriminatory results without being overtly racist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disparate_Impact

There will still be a test and firefighters will need to be qualified. However hopefully the next written exam (only one part of the application process) has more to do with being capable of being a good firefighter rather than knowing one in your family.

No way, are there actually smart, not blind, not brainwashed Americans posting in the Mudpit?

My world is rocked. If I could rep you, I would. Here's some pseudo-rep.

[Princess Cadance]

Typical mudpit, take a story from a totally biased source and make it out to be an attack on white people!!! If you'd listen to this forum white people are by far the most oppressed people of all time.

New York city is only 33% non-hispanic white, and yet the fire department is 91% white, so maybe there is an issue here after all.

The point made by those accusing the FDNY of discriminatory hiring practices isn't that black people and hispanics can't take tests as well as white people (which of course is what you all would LOVE to think), but instead that nepotism and the hereditary nature of the firefighter profession has produced this problem.

People who have firefighters in their family have help with the tests from those who have taken and administered them, thus carrying over the effects of racist hiring practices from the past (this has been an issue for over 75 years) into today.

Rather than judicial activism this effort represents four years of litigation after a study was
published in 2007.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-10-06/u...cants?_s=PM:US
There will be a monitor in place to review their hiring practices to ensure they are not discriminatory. Not "a purely quota based hiring of completely UNQUALIFIED MINORITIES to take the jobs of our BRAVE WHITE HEROES".The test was found to be facially neutral, it still produced discriminatory results without being overtly racist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disparate_Impact

There will still be a test and firefighters will need to be qualified. However hopefully the next written exam (only one part of the application process) has more to do with being capable of being a good firefighter
rather than knowing one in your family.

Hmm, I'm wondering if this an example of a media company which might have miscontructed facts in order to race-bait and stir controversy in order to gain larger viewership. Shocking allegation right?

[removeduser_4536284751384]

New York city is only 33% non-hispanic white, and yet the fire department is 91% white, so maybe there is an issue here after all.

The point made by those accusing the FDNY of discriminatory hiring practices isn't that black people and hispanics can't take tests as well as white people (which of course is what you all would LOVE to think), but instead that nepotism and the hereditary nature of the firefighter profession has produced this problem.

People who have firefighters in their family have help with the tests from those who have taken and administered them, thus carrying over the effects of racist hiring practices from the past (this has been an issue for over 75 years) into today.

So this isn't a race issue, it also affects white people who aren't related to/somehow tied to firefighting already (that is most people, regardless of race)?

Still I don't see the problem. I'm young yet, but in every job I have worked there were similar problems to the ones you describe. If you knew the people and found other unfair advantages you were more likely to fulfill the entrance requirements and if they liked you personally you were more likely to be hired.

[The Dude]

New York city is only 33% non-hispanic white, and yet the fire department is 91% white, so maybe there is an issue here after all.

As big an issue as when it would be 91% black. Or 91% hispanic. Or 91% Chinese.

In other words, no issue at all.