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    Wanting to prove that GRRM doesn't hate the Starks, and out of curiosity too, i decided to make this little list.
    How many family members died by each family in ASOIAF timeline? (That means, not counting Rhaeagar, Rickard Stark etc.) Family members are counted in all families they were ever members of(Cat is both Tully and Stark). Unrecognized bastards and unconsummated weddings don't count(so, Sansa is not a Lannister, and Margaery is not a Baratheon nor Lannister) Also, i won't count family members that were only passingly mentioned or found only in appendix.

    Starks: 3 or 4 or 5 out of 10(Ned, Cat, Robb, Benjen?, Jon?) 30-50% Eddard, Catelyn, Robb, Jeyne, Sansa, Arya, Bran, Rickon, Benjen.

    Tullys: 3 out of 6 (Cat, Hoster, Lysa) 50% Hoster, Cat, Lysa, Edmure, Roslin, Blackfish.

    Lannisters: 6 or 7 out of 13 (Tywin, Kevan, Tyrek? Stafford, Willem, Joffrey, Cleos) 46-54%
    Just to clarify, the Lannisters i counted here are: Tywin, Cersei, Jaime, Tyrion, Stafford, Kevan, Tyrek, Lancel, Willem, Daven, Genna, Joffrey, Tommen, Myrcella, Cleos, Joy.

    Arryns: 2 out of 4(Jon, Lysa)Jon, Robert, Lysa, Harrold.50%

    Baratheons: 2 out of 7(Robert, Renly) 29%I counted Robert, Stannis, Renly, Cersei, Selyse, Shireen, Edric.

    Tyrells: 0 or 1 out of 6(Loras?) 0-17%I counted Mace, Willas, Garlan, Loras, Margaery, Queen of Thorns.

    Martells: 2 out of 9(Oberyn, Quentyn) 22% Doran, Oberyn, Arianne, Trystane, Quentyn, Obara, Nymeria, Tyene, Sarella(I omitted the younger ones beacuse they've only been mentioned and had no relevance to the story for now)

    Targaryens: 2 or 3 out of 3 or 4 or 5 (Viserys, Aemon, Jon?)40-75%Viserys, Daenerys, Aemon, Aegon, Jon. i took the possibility that Aegon is fake or not, that Jon is Targ or not and that he's dead or not.

    Greyjoys: 1 out of 7(Balon)Balon, Allanys, Asha, Theon, Euron, Victarion, Aeron. 14%

    Freys: 10 out of much and more(Jared, Rhaeagar, Symond eaten, Merret, Petyr, Ryman killed by UnCat, Jinglebell killed by Cat, Aenys killed by Umber boys, Stevron killed in combat, Cleos by outlaws, Little Walder killed by Hooded Man in Winterfell)Minor losses

    This is mostly out of my head, with little check on wiki, and i don't have the books currently available, so feel free to point out mistakes.
    Last edited by Stannis Baratheon; July 22, 2012 at 11:28 AM.

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    Gah! Wall of Text! Please add some spacing




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    Fixed.

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    Wait how is Jeyne a Stark? Did she marry into it?

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    She married Robb and the wedding was consummated, i decided to put her in. Perhaps she's even pregnant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stannis Baratheon View Post
    She married Robb and the wedding was consummated, i decided to put her in. Perhaps she's even pregnant.
    Oh ya that Jenye... I always mix her and Sansa's friend up. My bad.

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    Loras is still technically alive and Jon Arryn died before the start of the books. You however forgot to put Harold Hardying in (he is a major part of the Arryn house as he is the heir) so it is 1/3 dead not 2/3.
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    We still don't know if Loras will die or not(although he probably won't), so i included the possibilty. Jon Arryn died before the start of GOT, but the information of his death arrived in Winterfell in the books, so i decided to put him in.
    Also i think tehnically he actually died in the books timespan beacuse raven or even rider would take less time to travel from KL to Winterfell than Gared's run from depths of haunted forest to Winterfell(assuming he was on foot, which is very probable).
    I couldn't decide whether to put Harry the Heir beacuse he's tehnically not Arryn(yet), but i suppose he is one in all but name and he has a bit of Arryn blood. I'll put him then.
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    Excellent work +Rep!

    Considering the significance of Robert's bastards it would be interesting to see how they affect the score, particularly to see Cersei's bloody hand




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    Well, you forgot Tywin's brother Tygget(or is it Tygett?) He died too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Areo_Hotah View Post
    Well, you forgot Tywin's brother Tygget(or is it Tygett?) He died too!
    Tygett died before the start of the books.
    "I, Pinkie Pie, declare that these treats are fit for a king, or a queen, or a princess!"
    "Me? Ruin? I'm not the ruiner, I'm the ruinee! Or is it ruinness? Ruinette?"
    "She's ahead of the litter all right. The pick of the litter. The cat's pajamas. Oh wait. Why would Applejack take some poor kitty's pj's? That's not very sporting of her."
    "More balloons! No, that's too many balloons. More candy! No, less candy. Ooh! I know! Streamers!"
    "Oh my gosh. Hold on to your hooves – I am just about to be brilliant!"

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    @Inarus Cersei killed 3 out of 16 of Robert's bastards, and we know only of 7(Mya, Barra, the one in Stoney Sept, Edric, Gendry and two in Casterly Rock). So if we would include them Baratheons would have 5 of 22 dead, which is a bit odd. Most of these bastards have no any real connection or relevance to Baratheons(except Edric). Perhaps i could include acknowleged bastards?

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    Also, i won't count family members that were only passingly mentioned or found only in appendix.
    This rules out many of the bastards anyway, only 3 are mentioned more than one or twice.
    Mia Stone, Gendry Waters, Edric Storm.
    "I, Pinkie Pie, declare that these treats are fit for a king, or a queen, or a princess!"
    "Me? Ruin? I'm not the ruiner, I'm the ruinee! Or is it ruinness? Ruinette?"
    "She's ahead of the litter all right. The pick of the litter. The cat's pajamas. Oh wait. Why would Applejack take some poor kitty's pj's? That's not very sporting of her."
    "More balloons! No, that's too many balloons. More candy! No, less candy. Ooh! I know! Streamers!"
    "Oh my gosh. Hold on to your hooves – I am just about to be brilliant!"

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    True. Mya and Gendry really had no bigger impact on Baratheons(Gendry had a tiny one when visited by Stannis and Jon Arryn) so it would be pointless to include them all in the same list. Perhaps in another list "Bastard Count" (but we know that good ol' Bob would probably win, with Oberyn close second).
    I'm still doubting whether to add acknowleged bastards or not...

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    I think you should. Especially ones that are also being taken care of by that family like the Sand Snakes, Edric and Jon (yes he is a Stark, his parentage may be in doubt but what is not is that either his mother or his fasther is a Stark).
    "I, Pinkie Pie, declare that these treats are fit for a king, or a queen, or a princess!"
    "Me? Ruin? I'm not the ruiner, I'm the ruinee! Or is it ruinness? Ruinette?"
    "She's ahead of the litter all right. The pick of the litter. The cat's pajamas. Oh wait. Why would Applejack take some poor kitty's pj's? That's not very sporting of her."
    "More balloons! No, that's too many balloons. More candy! No, less candy. Ooh! I know! Streamers!"
    "Oh my gosh. Hold on to your hooves – I am just about to be brilliant!"

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    Hey how about all dem soldiers that died in War of Five kings? i'd think the Westerlands suffered Greatly from that war more than anyone.
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    This thread is about the percieved idea that as the Starks were defeated and have no power G.R.R.M hates them. The destruction of their house was not toal and other houses have lost much more.
    "I, Pinkie Pie, declare that these treats are fit for a king, or a queen, or a princess!"
    "Me? Ruin? I'm not the ruiner, I'm the ruinee! Or is it ruinness? Ruinette?"
    "She's ahead of the litter all right. The pick of the litter. The cat's pajamas. Oh wait. Why would Applejack take some poor kitty's pj's? That's not very sporting of her."
    "More balloons! No, that's too many balloons. More candy! No, less candy. Ooh! I know! Streamers!"
    "Oh my gosh. Hold on to your hooves – I am just about to be brilliant!"

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    Hmmm i think le Storm Lords sufffered from le hands of stannis' crap command and Joffrey's Epicness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wowwars View Post
    Hmmm i think le Storm Lords sufffered from le hands of stannis' crap command and Joffrey's Epicness.
    Oh Jesus, not a Joffery fanboy . . .

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    Greyjoy =
    1 of 7(14%) (Balon) Balon, Aeron, Victarion, Euron, Theon, Asha, Allanys
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