Something tells me this wasn't a decisive victory.

**The Useless Member** · July 21, 2012, 12:46 PM

I wouldn't even call this a close victory. Once the battle was over, I only had 3 regiments on men on the battle field.

Those Ronin had problems fighting Ashigaru Archers.

Does anyone else find ronin obsolete? I know that they're not as good as samurai. Their quality is more like a Sword Ashigaru, even a Yari Ashigaru.

**Lord Oda Nobunaga** · July 21, 2012, 12:51 PM

How the hell did you get that much Ronin?

Yeah, Ronin are supposed to be super tank mercenaries but I found them being broken by cavalry, and struggling with Yari Ashigaru and Samurai.

**The Useless Member** · July 21, 2012, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by money

How the hell did you get that much Ronin?

Yeah, Ronin are supposed to be super tank mercenaries but I found them being broken by cavalry, and struggling with Yari Ashigaru and Samurai.

At that time, I was using Warrior monks, but that was an older army that I put on the boundary of my empire, Recruited before I could recruit warrior monks.

Uesegi and Ikko warrior monks are better than samurai, so I just use those, and they have a bonus to cavalry, decent charge, and good defence.

I was too busy fighting the Takeda, all my armys were up there. They had a few full-stacks of light cavalry.

Oh well, warrior monks took care of them.

**Sinan** · July 21, 2012, 08:14 PM

Why are you using Ronin? You're playing Ikko, you should beeline for Monks. They are way better!

EDIT: Oh I just read your second post. And also, yeah I don't quite understand the logic in the way the game determines victories.

**Dynamo11** · July 21, 2012, 08:51 PM

Yep this happens all the time.

Me: Deployed: 2582 Killed: 3871 Lost: 721
AI: Deployed: 3878 Killed: 720 Lost: 3878

And what do I get? A "Close Victory", it's not too big a deal but it is a little annoying

**The Useless Member** · July 21, 2012, 10:14 PM

I think sword ashigarus would've been more effective.

The hilarious thing is, I think the archers did better than the sword ronin when it came to melee.

**windsupernova** · July 22, 2012, 02:26 AM

Yeah the type of victory is kinda screwed up. Although I do think its a little better than in Rome and Med 2 where Heroic Victories were handed like cookies.

**Cruzz** · July 24, 2012, 03:37 AM

Naval battles are especially bad. 2 med bunes, 2 bow kobayas and 5 trading ships vs 8 bow kobayas (with flame arrows, AI). Doubling the size of your navy while not losing a single ship sure is a pyrrhic victory:

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**Condottiere 40K** · July 24, 2012, 03:58 AM

I've seen lots of comments floating around about the bang for buck value of Ronin units, but I never recruited them since I found that the IKIK Ashigaru were good enough until you can recruit Monks, and even then, very useful as a meat shield.