No justice for Ian Tomlinson

[Incontinenta Buttox]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ju...ry-proceedings

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...t-7960149.html

God forbid that I should live in country where walking away from a policeman, in a non-threatening manner, with my hands in my pockets, can be construed as dumb insolence and lead directly to my death in an unproved assault at the hands of a known police thug.

This Simon Harwood creature walks free free from court smirking, while Tomlinson's family left that same court in tears, convinced, like most of the watching world, that once again justice has not been done.

Since 1990, over 1400 people have died in police custody, or following police "contact". No police officer has ever been convicted. And , meanwhile, the police continue to police themselves!

Can you smell the stench? It makes me puke!

[removeduser_487563287433]

I'm entirely of the same opinion. There is clear footage of Harwood launching an unprovoked attack on Tomlinson, as he walked away with his hands in his pockets, and the MET did attempt to cover up the facts of the case. The MET is simply corrupt.

[The Despondent Mind]

Another Hooray for western democracy .

[OCWife]

Another Hooray for western democracy .

The UK is a Monarchy.

[Holger Danske]

Another Hooray for western democracy .

That has little to do with it.

[Plan C]

I heard a former Met commissioner on LBC yesterday and his sombre remark struck a chord with me. His view was that current policing strategy is a slippery slope. As part of cost-saving measures, actual police officers are increasingly only relied upon in scenarios involving confrontation and use of force. Non-confrontational elements of work are increasingly outsourced or automated.

This creates a situation where the police are only associated with confrontation and become a praetorian-esque formation, detached from the public. It was his view that this is the current strategic direction for policing in the UK. Not sure what to make of it.

[Muizer]

I heard a former Met commissioner on LBC yesterday and his sombre remark struck a chord with me. His view was that current policing strategy is a slippery slope. As part of cost-saving measures, actual police officers are increasingly only relied upon in scenarios involving confrontation and use of force. Non-confrontational elements of work are increasingly outsourced or automated.

This creates a situation where the police are only associated with confrontation and become a praetorian-esque formation, detached from the public. It was his view that this is the current strategic direction for policing in the UK. Not sure what to make of it.

Good to see there are people thinking about the bigger picture as well. It's easy to get sucked in by outrage over incidents, but that doesn't help solve anything. It's quite probably many of the outraged are actually politically supporting the side that pushes these policies through.

[Plan C]

Good to see there are people thinking about the bigger picture as well. It's easy to get sucked in by outrage over incidents, but that doesn't help solve anything. It's quite probably many of the outraged are actually politically supporting the side that pushes these policies through.

Thanks mate.

I'm not sure if this a part of the governments vision for the Big Society. You know, whereas basic enforcement is done on social level (reputational pressures, I suppose, enforcing elementary ethics) and the fuzz is only called in for more "serious" eventualities. I am pretty sure even government officials responsible couldn't answer this question so how can I.

What I do know is that I never really see PCs around anymore unless there's an arrest to be made or when things are likely to get tense (football games, town on Sat night etc). When you do get to see them, they usually bunch up and create an almost visible demarcation line between "us" and "the crowd". Suffice to say I have little trust in the police these days and I'm not alone, by the looks of it. Without trust there is no respect, rather anxiety, fear even.

With the current dip in recorded crime levels it would be a crime in itself to waste the opportunity to redeploy "redundant" PCs to more socially proactive duties, I think.

[Incontinenta Buttox]

Some more figures.

I have discovered that since 1990, a total of 950 people have died in police custody (this figure excludes those killed as a result of road traffic incidents involving the police, pursuit by police, or shooting by police - inclusion of those would add just short of a further 500 fatalities). During that same time a total of 23 police officers have been charged with manslaughter; all have either had the charges dropped, or have been acquitted at trial. The grand total of convictions: zero. I wonder if those statistics seem credible? The police know that they can act with complete impunity.

[Bobz]

Some more figures.

I have discovered that since 1990, a total of 950 people have died in police custody (this figure excludes those killed as a result of road traffic incidents involving the police, pursuit by police, or shooting by police - inclusion of those would add just short of a further 500 fatalities). During that same time a total of 23 police officers have been charged with manslaughter; all have either had the charges dropped, or have been acquitted at trial. The grand total of convictions: zero. I wonder if those statistics seem credible? The police know that they can act with complete impunity.

Where exactly are you getting this data from?

[Incontinenta Buttox]

Where exactly are you getting this data from?

http://library.npia.police.uk/docs/h...old/fprs26.pdf

http://inquest.gn.apc.org/website/st...lling-verdicts

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...?newsfeed=true

[mongrel]

Some more figures.

I have discovered that since 1990, a total of 950 people have died in police custody (this figure excludes those killed as a result of road traffic incidents involving the police, pursuit by police, or shooting by police - inclusion of those would add just short of a further 500 fatalities). During that same time a total of 23 police officers have been charged with manslaughter; all have either had the charges dropped, or have been acquitted at trial. The grand total of convictions: zero. I wonder if those statistics seem credible? The police know that they can act with complete impunity.

My feeling at the time, cynical though it was, was that if the killer of Charles De Menezies, was allowed to walk free ( for those who may not recall, a white man was killed in the belief that he was an East African terrorist and the account of the incident falsified), then this case was likely to lead to acquittal, particularity given the Crown Prosecutor's Service's reluctance to prosecute in the first place. Both the CPS and the IPCC hav to be reformed.

[gastovski]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ju...ry-proceedings

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...t-7960149.html

God forbid that I should live in country where walking away from a policeman, in a non-threatening manner, with my hands in my pockets, can be construed as dumb insolence and lead directly to my death in an unproved assault at the hands of a known police thug.

This Simon Harwood creature walks free free from court smirking, while Tomlinson's family left that same court in tears, convinced, like most of the watching world, that once again justice has not been done.

Since 1990, over 1400 people have died in police custody, or following police "contact". No police officer has ever been convicted. And , meanwhile, the police continue to police themselves!

Can you smell the stench? It makes me puke!

This is called paranoia. USA and UK people best example for this.

[Fernandez_1492]

This chick doesnt die, but its pretty ed up what happens in vudeo. And funny. :/

[removeduser_487563287433]

Um, no, it's not paranoia it's referring to a court case that has just concluded.

[gastovski]

I'm talking about police shooting unarmed people and similar paranoic stuff.

[Fernandez_1492]

I'm talking about police shooting unarmed people and similar paranoic stuff.

In Indiana if cops enter your home.unlawfully, the residents of that home can shoot cops without getting in trouble.

[removeduser_487563287433]

I'm talking about police shooting unarmed people and similar paranoic stuff.

We're talking about real examples and the justice system's response, so I am not sure how you think dribbling on about misspelt paranoia is relevant. Take the nationalism elsewhere.

[Incontinenta Buttox]

I'm talking about police shooting unarmed people and similar paranoic stuff.

I don't know if it's normal for the police to kill innocent citizens without being held to account where you come from, but's it's not the sort of country I want to live in.

Simon Harwood = Killer.

I don't need a court to tell me otherwise.

[s.rwitt]

I'm on an uncooperative cell phone making it difficult to do any googling, what was the official cause of death? And, IIRC, the victim was in the process of leaving a cordon under police orders, correct?