View Poll Results: Which of these factions from the Punic Wars should be in Rome II?

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  • The Insubrian Tribes

    18 62.07%
  • The Mamertines

    13 44.83%
  • City State of Massalia

    23 79.31%
  • The Maesulians

    14 48.28%
  • The Masaesyli

    18 62.07%
  • City State of Saguntum

    15 51.72%
  • City State of Syrakus

    23 79.31%
  • Another faction, please state

    8 27.59%
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    Following the discussion about Saguntum as an own faction in the Iberian factions thread I thought about other factions that should be in this game because of the Punic Wars. Judging from the first and only preview we have seen so far the Punic Wars will be one central topic of Rome TW II, so I suppose it's not too unrealistic to talk about the minor factions involved in this war.
    Of course some of them will and should be included anyway (like Syrakus) while others (like Saguntum) might normally not in a game of Rome's size, but I propose them because of the Punic wars being in the center of the game.


    The Insubrian tribes: Living in what is now Northern Italy, these Celtic tribes kept a part of the Roman army busy at Rome's northern borders during the wars. More importantly, Hannibal recruited Celtic warriors from them who became a notable part of his army.


    City state of Massalia: A loyal ally of Rome, this Polis fought against both Celts and Carthaginians and fielded a decent fleet which became important in the Second Punic war. Nowadays it's the French city of Marseille.


    The Numidians split into:
    Kingdom of the Masaesyli: The western part of Numidia started as a loyal ally of Carthago, but turned to Rome in the Second Punic War. However, as soon as Hannibal invaded Italy, their king Syphax returned under the Carthaginian banner and continued to fight the Maesulian prince Masinissa and the Romans under Scipio after the Battle of Zama. Later on he was defeated and most of his territory came under Maesulian control.

    Kingdom of the Maesulians: The eastern part of Numidia was an important ally of Carthago in the First Punic War and remained on Hannibal's side as well until 206 BC. Their cavalry and infantry strengthened the Carthaginian army.
    However, in 206 prince Masinissa turned to the Roman cause and became one of Scipio's best and most reliable generals who decided the Battle of Zama when his cavalry returned to the battle. After the Second Punic War his kingdom was treated in a special way by Rome and dominated North Africa for a while.


    The Mamertines: A band of desperados and mercenaries without a job, the Mamertines captured Messana in the early 3rd century BC. They hold the town in North East Sicily for well over 20 years and used it as a base for pirate raids. By demanding Roman protection against Carthago and Syracuse they initiated the Punic Wars, in which they were destroyed.


    City state of Saguntum: Based on the eastern coast of the Iberian peninsula, Saguntum was a mighty Celtiberian settlement with strong Greek influence. By besieging Saguntum, Hannibal started the Second Punic War as Saguntum was loosely allied with the Roman Republic (although the Romans couldn't be arsed to help Saguntum ).
    Being south of the Ebro it had been excluded from the earlier Ebro treaty between Rome and Carthago, but this position eventually led to its downfall, as Hannibal conquered the town after a month long siege.


    City state of Syrakus: The powerful Polis of Syrakus had been an enemy of Carthago for hundreds of years before the Romans first appeared on what we would call the ''international stage''. Its history is too rich to cover it here, but its important to point out that it changed sides in the Secind Punic War and had to endure a Roman siege from 215 BC on.
    Despite having maybe the greatest fortifications in the world and the brilliant inventor Archimedes, Syrakus fell in 212 BC. It remained to be an important city in the Mediterrenean, though.

    So what do you think? Which of those factions should be in Rome II? Or are there other important ones which I have forgotten?

    Note: This is more about additional factions than about those being the only ones in the area. Apart from Rome and Carthago there should also be various Iberian tribes, for example, of course.
    Last edited by Mausolos of Caria; July 19, 2012 at 04:02 PM.
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    For something likea provincial campaign?

    Anyway,if I'd see the Mamertines as a playable faction,I'd be the happiest person on the face of the planet.

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    Default Re: Punic Wars factions

    Quote Originally Posted by Samnite Soldier View Post
    For something likea provincial campaign?

    Anyway,if I'd see the Mamertines as a playable faction,I'd be the happiest person on the face of the planet.
    I thought more of the main campaign and that CA might give more depth to the are concerned by the Punic Wars because it seems to be a central conflict. But maybe they could also do something like a provincial campaign.
    "Pompeius, after having finished the war against Mithridates, when he went to call at the house of Poseidonios, the famous teacher of philosophy, forbade the lictor to knock at the door, as was the usual custom, and he, to whom both the eastern and the western world had yielded submission, ordered the fasces to be lowered before the door of science."

    Pliny the Elder, Naturalis Historia, 7, 112

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    Default Re: Punic Wars factions

    For something like a provincial campaign?

    Anyway,if I'd see the Mamertines as a playable faction,I'd be the happiest person on the face of the planet.

    EDIT:sry for double post.you can eliminate this.
    Last edited by Altzek; July 19, 2012 at 02:59 PM.

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    Macedonia was ally of Carthage in this war, not much help but enough excuse for Romans to conquer it. I guess you are leaving the Iberian tribes for the other thread no? and Also the Gauls played a very very important role in Hannibal campaign as enemies and also as mercenaries. I see you mention celts in northen Italy, I am also referring to the Gauls in actual France.
    Last edited by Bethencourt; July 19, 2012 at 04:05 PM.

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    Default Re: Punic Wars factions

    Quote Originally Posted by Bethencourt View Post
    Macedonia was ally of Carthage in this war, not much help but enough excuse for Romans to conquer it. I guess you are leaving the Iberian tribes for the other thread no? and Also the Gauls played a very very important role in Hannibal campaign as enemies and also as mercenaries.
    Well as I said this should be about minor factions who might not be in the game normally. I didn't even mention factions like Macedon or Gauls in Gaul itself because they are too obvious and will be in the game anyway
    "Pompeius, after having finished the war against Mithridates, when he went to call at the house of Poseidonios, the famous teacher of philosophy, forbade the lictor to knock at the door, as was the usual custom, and he, to whom both the eastern and the western world had yielded submission, ordered the fasces to be lowered before the door of science."

    Pliny the Elder, Naturalis Historia, 7, 112

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    Default Re: Punic Wars factions

    There is no faction limit. All of those factions should be included plus more. Including Emporiæ.

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    Massalia and Syracuse are need for sure; the Maesulians would be a nice touch.
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    Default Re: Punic Wars factions

    I only excluded Saguntum and the Mamertines (Messine) as they were city states, which only played an important diplomatic role but nothing more than that. As for the Numidian factions, they'll add some variety in Africa, the Insubri will be another obstacle for an early Roman expansion and of course Syracuse and Massalia were two huge and very powerful Greek city states. Massalia was independent even during Caesar's era.
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    Default Re: Punic Wars factions

    As I expected, anyone wants Syrakus, of course

    I think it would be really interesting to have the two different Numidian kingdoms. They could start as allies with each other and with Carthago and they could maybe give them a perfidious temper because they switches sides so often.
    Hopefully they'll also have decent units this time, because the Numidian cavalry in the first RTW was quite crap, when they actually were one of the best cavalrymen of their day (and the battles of the Punic Wars have shown this well).
    "Pompeius, after having finished the war against Mithridates, when he went to call at the house of Poseidonios, the famous teacher of philosophy, forbade the lictor to knock at the door, as was the usual custom, and he, to whom both the eastern and the western world had yielded submission, ordered the fasces to be lowered before the door of science."

    Pliny the Elder, Naturalis Historia, 7, 112

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