Historical Generals in R2TW

[Gaius Augustus Caesar]

So let's say CA includes historical generals in the game like they did previous games. What kind of generals would you like to see from the factions in the game.

[Grimbold]

Well Hannibal is an obvious one.

[Moorish guy]

I agree Hannibal would be awsome!

[Antissa]

In no particular order: Hannibal (Carthage), Antiochus III (Seleucid Empire), Pyrrhus of Epirus (Greece), Phillip V (Macedon), Gaius Marius (Roman Republic), Scipio Africanus (Roman Republic), Quintus Sertorious (Roman Republic)

The presence of historical generals in previous Total War games was disappointing, especially in Empire and Napoleon. They simply had more command stars than the average general, but lacked any distinguishing traits or retinues. Hopefully CA will make historical generals more prominent in Rome II.

[Lord Hovis]

Antiochus III, Mithridates VI (Pontus), Demetrius I (Bactria), Hannibal and Eumenes of Cardia though probably he was around a bit too early for the game.

[Sharpe]

Maybe there will be Historical Generals from the start date, but I think that it would be difficult to make them appear in the campaign as it is so non linear.

[Mahakar]

Well, Gaius Marius, Sulla, Pompeius amd Caesar all were military very talented. But at that rate, Rome gets a great general every 35 years.

[InF3sTeD]

It would be kinda interesting if depending on say how many missions you complete it would unlock a certain general for you around the time that said general was alive. Would really make me want to finish those senate missions for sure.

[Wodeson]

Jurgurtha

[Condottiere 40K]

Crassus; well provisioned troops, cheaper recruiting costs; penalty on command and line of sight. Lots of crucifixions.

[Medina]

Don't forget Gaius Julius, commonly known as Ceasar.

It would be cool that arround his time there will be a rebellion between Pompeius Magnus and Julius. Then I have to choose who I join. Pompeius, side with Republic, Gaius with the 'Emperors'.

[MrOuija]

There are so many great generals that you could add for multiplayer as well.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

Crassus was not at all a good General , neither was Marcus antony , they where either good at money making the first or at speech and fighting the second but lacked tactical and strategical vision ...

Perhaps also Vercingetorix, Boudicca , Arminius , Cleopatra ( altough not a general coudl be an important figure to have? )
many many more woudl fill in ancilliares or strat map units , I would love to see a Cicero Unit lol since I am descendant of that Tullii gens ^^ ...

[Marcus Aemilius Lepidus]

Crassus was not at all a good General , neither was Marcus antony , they where either good at money making the first or at speech and fighting the second but lacked tactical and strategical vision ...

Perhaps also Vercingetorix, Boudicca , Arminius , Cleopatra ( altough not a general coudl be an important figure to have? )
many many more woudl fill in ancilliares or strat map units , I would love to see a Cicero Unit lol since I am descendant of that Tullii gens ^^ ...

Marcus Antonius was clearly the best General in the Civil Wars after Ceasar. He was not the drunken and stupid Soldier they made him. There is a great Diss of Matijevic (2006) at this theme. Don't forget that Antonius had two great enemies. Cicero and Octavian. Everybody who know Cicero know about his talent to ruin the reputation of people. Verres or Catilina were all in all surely not worse than the most corrupt politicians but he made them as the worst examples. Cicero hates Antonius in many ways and he wrote his philipian speeches which were one reason for Antonius to kill him. Later Octavian won over Antonius and his Picture of Antonius is also the picture of the winners sight.

If you look deeper how Antonius was acting after Ceasars Death you would recoqnice that he was also a great politician. He was the reason because there was no bloodbath after all. His fight in the phase after Mutina is also the work of an military expert and great negotiater. After beeing in a disadavantaged position he was stronger after all, specially as Octavian and Cicero.

Agrippa was nearly as good as Antonius but had better Ressources in the later war.

[Akrotatos]

I am firmly against uber generals except from those that lived during the start date. How on earth could Caesar appear if I play as Carthage and have conquered 80% of Italy, extreminating the city of Rome while I'm at it?

[PROMETHEUS ts]

I am firmly against uber generals except from those that lived during the start date. How on earth could Caesar appear if I play as Carthage and have conquered 80% of Italy, extreminating the city of Rome while I'm at it?

the last 20% perhaps?

[Akrotatos]

the last 20% perhaps?

That's next to impossible.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

That's next to impossible.

Rome II isn't a vic20 bidimensional game from the 80s I am pretty sure it can handle a series of conditions to meet for the eventual appearence of great faction generals...

[Akrotatos]

Rome II isn't a vic20 bidimensional game from the 80s I am pretty sure it can handle a series of conditions to meet for the eventual appearence of great faction generals...

It's not about a set of conditions. IT"S IMPOSSIBLE. Say the game starts at 270bC (just a random date I used). 170 years before Caesar's birth. That means that at the start of our game live his six-times-great-grandfathers. Since we have 4 grandparents, 8 great-grandfathers etc at 270bc there would be around 128 ancestors alive.

Kill just one, in the monumentally changed history that happens in every campaign and Caesar can not exist. Even by some 0.00000001% they all survive and marry who they married in real history by the time of 100bC Rome could already be a huge empire, a tiny state or extinguished depending on what faction the player chose.

I don't want to have an uber-strong Caesar appear just because it's "cool". I want historical accuracy at the starting date but after that, it's up to me. This is what i found ridiculous in RTW as well, with the "historical moments".

[Andreius Pretorianus]

maybe there will be DLC packs,with Hannibal ,Caesar etc.