Which of these swords are closest to what we can expect?

**Christian Strand** · July 17, 2012, 04:27 PM

http://www.albion-swords.com/swords/...rk-nextgen.htm

Im not familiar with the Roman age swords at all, so im asking you guys, which one of those do you think we will see in the game?

**AGaming** · July 17, 2012, 04:42 PM

Augustus or the Allectus

**TheTank** · July 17, 2012, 05:18 PM

The "The Cherusker " is a type of Single edged sword used by Germanic groups arround the western Baltic sea during the late PreRoman Iron age and the beginning of first century AD.
It would be great if some Germanic units are armed with these kind of swords in RTW2.
Also some late era Germanic units armed with Gladius swords would be realistic if RTW2 includes the early emperial period of Rome.

**mcantu** · July 17, 2012, 05:24 PM

it will really depend on the time frame covered. The Allectus early on (i own that sword btw--its amazing) and then transitioning to the Tiberius and then the Pedite in Augustus' time. however the longer gladius hispanesis would be applicable before the time of the Allectus

**Christian Strand** · July 17, 2012, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by mcantu

it will really depend on the time frame covered. The Allectus early on (i own that sword btw--its amazing) and then transitioning to the Tiberius and then the Pedite in Augustus' time. however the longer gladius hispanesis would be applicable before the time of the Allectus

Nice! Can you post some pictures of the sword? maybe when you hold it so we can see the proportions of it? and you can hide your head

**Lockcaps** · July 17, 2012, 05:51 PM

I believe it was stated in an interview that the Roman's will begin with a "standard weapon" (don't know which) and that getting new weapons can either be done by researching/waiting for a certain year OR taking provinces. Taking Germania early would enable you to introduce the Gladius(i think) before it was introduced in the Roman army historically.

**Christian Strand** · July 18, 2012, 10:33 PM

What about this sword?

http://www.albion-swords.com/swords/...ius-photos.htm

**tone** · July 19, 2012, 12:39 AM

Hopefully we'll see all the different kinds of gladii dependent on the era of the unit and its armour. I think we put something like a dozen or more gladius variations in RS2 (from hispaniensis through mainz and Fulham to Pompeii), not forgetting different scabbards (again these vary with the era) and different pugio scabbards (see below)

A number of our germanic units had swords very similar to the cherusker, single edged blades looking pretty similar to that, based on archeological finds.

**tone** · July 19, 2012, 02:44 AM

....and some of the reference images we used:

Hispaniensis

Pompeii gladii

Mainz gladii

Pugios

**Otherdude** · July 20, 2012, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by tone

Mainz gladii

I own this one

but sooner or later I'll drop the cash on a custom made one.

**Ultra123** · July 19, 2012, 02:52 AM

as always good research tone. (im still happily playing your mod now

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**tone** · July 20, 2012, 02:31 AM

Just managed to find this again in the RS2 development forum. This was a render from 3dsmax (by Burninator who did the gladius models) of the different gladii before each of the scabbards got reskinned uniquely, and shows the variety of shapes and lengths of gladii. From left to right:

spatha (x3)
gladius hispaniensis (x3)
Mainz (x2)
Fulham (x2)
Pompeii (x2)

**Imperator of Rome** · July 20, 2012, 09:58 AM

All of these, with the one on the far left being the earliest form of the gladii.

**Imperator of Rome** · July 20, 2012, 09:59 AM

All of these, with the one on the far left being the earliest form of the gladii(Hispaniesis). The early Gladius was more of a cut and thrust sword with a blade shape similar to the Xiphos.

**dom385** · July 20, 2012, 10:10 AM

I wonder if roman cav will have spathas this time ? I seem to remember they just had normal gladius's (gladii?) as their side arm in the first rome.

**Imperator of Rome** · July 20, 2012, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by dom385

I wonder if roman cav will have spathas this time ? I seem to remember they just had normal gladius's (gladii?) as their side arm in the first rome.

You mean Roman Equites(Early Era)? Right? I think they will have hacking weapons such as Kopis swords. The Spatha is more of an Imperial era weapon.

**dom385** · July 20, 2012, 10:39 AM

I just meant roman cavalry in general, I didnt actually know when they started using the spatha, I just knew it was a cavalry sword.

**Imperator of Rome** · July 20, 2012, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by dom385

I just meant roman cavalry in general, I didnt actually know when they started using the spatha, I just knew it was a cavalry sword.

Machaira/Kopis swords, Gladius Hispaniensis(Maybe, it has some length), and later on in the Imperial era, the Spatha. Also, I am a modeller and I really do like Republican Era stuff, here's an example of a kopis or Machaira made by me

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Kopis

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Machaira

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**tone** · July 20, 2012, 12:27 PM

Very nice!

This is a great gladius reference: http://www.larp.com/legioxx/gladius.html

This was the inspiration for our single edged ("Cherusker") swords in the Cimbri faction (from the Krogsbølle and Ejsbøl bog deposits - 250-200BC)

**Imperator of Rome** · July 21, 2012, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by tone

Very nice!

This is a great gladius reference: http://www.larp.com/legioxx/gladius.html

This was the inspiration for our single edged ("Cherusker") swords in the Cimbri faction (from the Krogsbølle and Ejsbøl bog deposits - 250-200BC)

Yes, that is probably the best one I've seen so far. I don't have any personal sources of Gladii (I have one on Italian swords) so I used that site.

Also, if you don't mind me asking, but did Romans use different types of handgrips for the Gladius Hispaniesis (I'm asking because I've seen a Celtic styled handgrip on one drawing of the blade of a Roman Princep)?