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    This seems to have gone under the radar of most news channels. I have been hearing most of this through friends on Facebook and have found very few credible sources (or so I would think)

    http://gulfnews.com/opinions/columni...nmar-1.1050280

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    The Muslim Rohingya people of Myanmar have long undergone systematic discrimination in a country with a bleak human rights record. However, the latest pogrom of violence and ethnic cleansing against the minority group has crossed even traditional bounds of cruelty.
    The campaign against the extremely poor and defenceless Rohingyas at the hands of the Buddhist Rakhine majority, and with the tacit or direct support of the government, arrived at a particularly uncomfortable time for western countries. To offset uncontested Chinese economic influence in Myanmar, the US and its allies decided to change course. On July 11, the White House removed most of the sanctions it had imposed on the once-isolated country. It also lifted restrictions on direct US investments in Myanmar.
    The successive friendly gestures towards a country that was, until recently, ruled by notorious military juntas, has been justified on the basis of Myanmar’s audacious leap towards democracy. The democratic reforms were exemplified by Aung San Suu Kyi’s winning of a parliamentary seat and by her arrival in Oslo to receive the Noble Peace Prize, which she was awarded more than 20 years ago. While some in the media duly hailed these events, noting the virtues and effectiveness of US sanctions, others candidly spoke of the underlying reasons for Western turnabout regarding Myanmar.
    Myanmar is a deeply impoverished country, but its untapped wealth is unimaginable — especially when compared to its neighbouring countries and the alarming rate at which they are depleting their natural resources. China was a major beneficiary of Myanmar’s riches, oblivious to US sanctions and peculiar alliances. This is no longer the case. The US Secretary of State, Hilary Clinton, has been on a mission to mend old alliances and establish new ones. A few gestures celebrating democratic reforms are enough to busy the media while large corporations plot their moves. It is telling that on the very day of easing of US sanctions, Britain also joined the scramble for Myanmar.
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    ‘The Race to Myanmar’ was actually the title of a June 13 article in the ‘Wall Street Journal’, and the Bloomberg Business Week ran a feature about the ‘Race for Rangoon’ on July 3. “The gold rush for Myanmar has begun,” wrote Alex Spillius in the ‘Guardian’, noting that the UK and US are leading the pack of investors through the opening of a trade office in Myanmar. “Its aim is to forge links with one of the last unexploited markets in Asia, a country blessed by ample resources of hydro-carbons, minerals, gems and timber, not to mention a cheap labour force, which — thanks to years of isolation and sanctions — is near-virgin territory for foreign investors.”
    But of course there is that pesky problem of ethnic cleansing of a minority group. By UN estimates, 800,000 Rohingyas currently live in Myanmar. They are undergoing a massive pogrom aimed at ridding the country of the ‘Kalar’ — a racist slur applied to dark-skinned people from the Indian subcontinent. “The Rohingyas … face some of the worst discrimination in the world,” reported Reuters on July 4, citing rights groups. UK-based Equal Rights Trust indicated that the killing is not merely due to ethnic clashes, but actually involves active government participation. “From June 16 onwards, the military became more actively involved in committing acts of violence and other human rights abuses against the Rohingya, including killings and mass-scale arrests of Rohingya men and boys in North Rakhine State.” The massive campaign was supposedly a response to the raping and killing of a Rakhine woman on May 28, allegedly by three Rohingya men. The collective punishment of an entire ethnic group, however, indicates a level of ingrained racism that dates back many years.
    Not only does the targeting of the country’s minorities continue with little remorse, but the pogrom received a boost from the country’s president Thein Sein, who told the UN that the Rohingyas could choose between one of two options: “refugee camps or deportation.” According to ABC Australia, Thein Sein offered to send the Rohingyas away “if any third country would accept them.” Just days after providing a political discourse for genocide, Thein Sein met Hillary Clinton in Siem Reap, Cambodia, to discuss business opportunities between his country and the US.
    While the deadly targeting of the Rohingya people has evoked little international action — no emergency Security Council sessions have taken place so far — it also provided a rare, although disturbing moment of unity between various sectors of Myanmarese society. The pro-democracy groups and individuals that dazzled western media when they resisted the four-decade military rule of the junta are either vulgarly racist or remain tight-lipped about the devastating war on the Rohingyas. Writing in the ‘Sydney Morning Herald’ on July 8, Hanna Hindstrom reported that one pro-democracy group stated on Twitter that “[t]he so-called Rohingya are liars,” while another social media user said, “We must kill all the kalar”. Apart from expressing concerns, the National League for Democracy in Myanmar, Suu Kyi’s political party, has done very little,
    Scouring major Arab and Muslim media regarding the ethnic cleansing of the Rohingyas, I found very little worth noting. On July 13, the Aljazeera Arabic website broke the silence, but only to publish an article summarising a ‘New York Times’ op-ed by Moshahida Sultana Ritu titled ‘Ethnic Cleansing in Myanmar’.
    Official Muslim action has also been embarrassingly lacking. Bashful statements finally culminated in a letter sent to Suu Kyi by the head of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC). Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu urged “newly elected lawmakers to convince the government to accept ‘an international inquiry into the recent violence,’” according to AFP — a strange request considering the economic leverage of Myanmar’s Muslim neighbours. They could easily apply direct pressure on the government to bring the pogrom to a halt. It is important to note that Muslim-majority countries like Bangladesh have shut its borders on Rohingya refugees.
    Expectedly, with little or no efforts to end the massacres, the ethnic cleansing continues unabated. On July 12, Radio Free Europe reported on recent horrors: “Burmese helicopter set fire to three boats carrying nearly 50 Muslim Rohingyas fleeing sectarian violence in western Myanmar in an attack that is believed to have killed everyone on board.”
    The tragic attitude of simply looking the other way must immediately change if human rights matter in the least.
    Ramzy Baroud is an internationally-syndicated columnist and the editor of PalestineChronicle.com. His latest book is My Father Was a Freedom Fighter: Gaza’s Untold Story.


    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opi...945989365.html

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    Will the people of Myanmar soon have their own derivative for the Nazi term Judenrein? For those who do not know what Judenrein means, it literally translates to "free of Jews", and was the term used by the Nazi administration when they had removed entire Jewish communities from Germany in the lead up to the Holocaust.

    As so many Myanma shamelessly support the government and local authorities' ongoing ethnic cleansing of the Rohingya people from Western Myanmar, it might not be too long until we see "human rights defenders", and "political activists" running around the streets of Myanmar shouting: Rohingya-Kin-Zone ["Rohingya-clean area"]) or Bangali-ma-shi ["No Bangladeshis"].

    It took one horrific reaction to one abhorrent incident to ignite a riot and expose the true depth of racism and xenophobia in Myanmar society. After three Rohingya men raped a young Rhakine Buddhist woman, ten Muslim pilgrims (not Rohingya) were dragged off a bus and violently beaten to death - seemingly in retaliation.

    Five days later, hundreds of Rohingya men gathered outside a mosque after prayers. What happened next is unclear. Some say the Rohingya planned an attack on Rhakine communities in retaliation for the killing of the Muslim pilgrims; others say an argument started with Rhakine people after a minor traffic accident outside the mosque. Whatever the cause, hundreds of Rohingya ended up running through dozens of Rhakine villages, burning houses down, looting and badly beating Rhakine people, some to death.

    "As could be expected, the Rohingya communities blame the Rhakine, and the Rhakine blame the Rohingya. Both sides are trying to paint a picture that they were just innocent bystanders, slaughtered by the other side."

    The blame game

    As could be expected, the Rohingya communities blame the Rhakine, and the Rhakine blame the Rohingya. Both sides are trying to paint a picture that they were just innocent bystanders, slaughtered by the other side. Sitting through an interview with activists from either community is approaching excruciating, with neither unable to rationally blame their own community, and subsequently unable to provide logical solutions to prevent the violence taking place again.

    It is clear both sides are guilty of atrocities. What is also clear, however, is that within a riot - based on myths, and decades of inter-communal friction - hides a renewed push to continue the military's ethnic cleansing campaign of the late 1970s.

    Soon after the riots began, a state of emergency was ordered, and an all-day curfew put in place. However, sources within human rights groups soon to publish an official report on the matter say the curfew only applied to the Rohingya, who were forced to stay in their homes, while Rhakine groups, hell-bent on retaliation, made the most of the chaos to drive Rohingya communities out of the region, teaming up with local authorities with similar aspirations. It is alleged that the combined Rhakine-extremists-local-authority-forces burned down Rohingya villages, beat men to death, looted homes, and raped women.

    While the military has been praised for stepping in and quelling the violence in some districts, the local authorities, police and Rhakine vigilantes - apparently eager to rid the area of Rohingya communities - have allowed the situation to develop, with national security forces reportedly carrying out what appears to be, in my opinion, a form of state-sponsored ethnic cleansing.

    It is believed that hundreds, if not thousands, of Rohingya men have been arrested, many feared dead. Countless more have been reported missing and have not been seen since the conflict erupted.

    Behind the violence

    With the backing of the state political party, the Rhakine Democratic National Party (RNDP), Nasaka - the border guard force - and police appear to be conducting an unprecedented campaign of harassment, torture, and oppression on the Rohingya people.

    For days, reports have been circulating of family lists - Rohingya families' only proof of state registration - being confiscated, with influential and educated Rohingya families reportedly beaten and forced out of the country, while holes are being made in the border fence to give the Rohingya a quick exit from the oppression.

    While arrests have been made of Rhakine people, it appears the Rohingya are being overwhelmingly punished for the riots, through massacres, torture and indiscriminate arrests. And while it is difficult to confirm information during such a blackout, and hard to believe the new "reformist" government could be behind such a serious atrocities, President Thein Sein's press release last week certainly made the reports more believable.

    For some, it has also roused suspicions that senior figures in the military allowed, and at the worst, supported the violence, in order to regain national support and take focus away from the conflict with the Kachin, as well as distracting from serious poverty issues across the country.

    "It is impossible for Burma to accept people who are not ethnic to the country and who have entered illegally."

    - Myanmar's Presidential Office

    After a long silence, Myanmar's Presidential Office recent anouncement surprised and shocked people around the world.

    "It is impossible for Burma to accept people who are not ethnic to the country and who have entered illegally," the statement read, going on to offer the Rohingya people to the UN. They suggested the Rohingya should be put in camps for a year, at which time they could be taken to a third country.

    The UN, quite rightly, were quick to reject Thein Sein's kind offer, explaining that communities cannot be repatriated from their own country. While the UN may have, for now, endorsed the Rohingya presence in Myanmar, the government's intentions were made very clear to the world. It was the most transparent, clear cut message that the Myanmar government is now hell-bent on ridding Myanmar of the Rohingya people by any means possible.

    An end to isolation is needed

    International attention is desperately needed to find out what is really happening in Rhakine state. If the government cannot get "legitimate" assistance from the UN to push out the Rohingya communities, then impartial observers need to be deployed to the region immediately, to prevent the government and Rhakine extremist groups forcing Rohingya people out of their homes, off their land, and into life-threatening camps.

    Since the riots began, the authorities ordered all international NGOs to pull their staff out of the region. Dozens of local NGO staff have been arrested, and hundreds remain out of contact. While no one knows why NGO staff are being detained, it is widely believed it is for distributing information during the riots. Probably charged using the same draconian laws that have been used to prevent activists from informing the international community of the regime's human rights abuses and oppression in previous decades.

    The north of Rhakine state, where it is estimated more than 700,000 Rohingya live, has effectively been turned into a complete blind spot. Speaking with NGO coordinators over the past week, there are some eerie reminders of conversations with the same people during Cyclone Nargis. After the cyclone hit, affected communities could not be contacted. NGOs were initially heavily restricted, as were local aid workers. Within weeks the official death toll leaped from a few dozen to more than 134,000 people. Those who spread information to the international community were arrested. And now, once again, NGOs are unable to access the most critical regions, stoking fears throughout Myanmar's NGO community. The world may wake up one day to find that yet another preventable humanitarian crisis has taken place.

    "The heavy rains are likely to increase the spread of water-borne disease and it is believed that diarrhoea and malaria are already increasing rapidly. With high food prices, no work, and restrictions on leaving villages and IDP camps, there is a great risk that many could starve to death."

    Rhakine state is one of the largest operations in the world for NGOs. Extremely poor, it already suffers from high disease rate and malnutrition. Now that NGOs are unable to work, many are concerned that starvation and disease could ravage the Rohingya communities in coming weeks. The heavy rains are likely to increase the spread of water-borne disease and it is believed that diarrhoea and malaria are already increasing rapidly. With high food prices, no work, and restrictions on leaving villages and IDP camps, there is a great risk that many could starve to death. If the government continues to prevent NGOs from getting in, and information getting out, it would be reasonable to assume that this is part of a state policy to drive the Rohingya people into a humanitarian crisis.

    Public acceptance

    There is one very disturbing difference between the humanitarian crisis which unfolded after Cyclone Nargis and now. While all the people of Myanmar - including political activists, ethnic leaders, migrant workers and civil servants - made efforts to curtail the suffering of those affected by Nargis, this time, people, some ignorantly, are condoning the dispossession of the Rohingya.

    While the nation lambasted the government for its slow response to Nargis, and the subsequent unnecessary loss of life, people from all spectra of Myanmar society are fully behind the government's desire to drive the Rohingya out, completely regardless of whether thousands of innocent people could lose their right to a family, to a home, and to a life, in the coming weeks.

    How ironic. For years these "human rights defenders" and "political activists" have fought against the state military, tirelessly risking their lives to expose injustice and human rights abuses. The moment the country starts to reform, they completely forget about the atrocities the military has committed, and come out with statements condoning decades of oppression and harassment of the Rohingya people.

    Prominent student leader, Ko Ko Gyi, said: "The Rohingya people are not an ethnic group of Burma and they are invading our country and sovereignty." These are not the words of a human rights champion; they are words which could have been muttered from the former regime leader, Than Shwe, who put Gyi in prison for nearly two decades for his political beliefs.


    Inside Story: What is behing Myanmar's ethnic unrest?

    Suu Kyi's role

    It was General Aung San, the father of democracy icon Aung San Suu Kyi, who said that all those in the country at the time of independence could consider themselves citizens. During Myanmar's first democratic period, under U Nu, there were four Rohingya MPs, and Rohingya was a recognised ethnicity. It was not until the first military dictatorship, under Ne Win, that the Rohingya were denied Myanmar citizenship. Those in the democracy movement, who now say the Rohingya should leave Myanmar, are going against Aung San, U Nu, and siding with the military dictatorship they have been struggling against for years.

    Ironically, days after receiving a Nobel peace prize, Suu Kyi told reporters she "did not know" if Rohingya were "Burmese". What a disgrace. Suu Kyi is, by not speaking out, also condoning the very military oppression she has spent years fighting against, and in three words completely turning a blind eye to the human rights abuses she would be a fool to not know will subsequently be committed.

    Perhaps instead, some leader, some democracy champion, supposedly such as herself, would stand up and say: "Rohingya people have been in Myanmar for, at the very least, 60 years. Whether they are an ethnic group or not, it doesn't matter, we must protect their human rights; racism and xenophobia are wrong and are constructs and rationale of the military dictatorship propaganda designed to divide and rule Myanmar's people. We must make sure riots never take place in Myanmar again, through understanding and reconciliation between all communities."

    The main source of concern for the countless people of Myanmar who believe the Rohingya should be taken to a third country stems from a very few, tiny radical Rohingya armed groups which have emerged, and disappeared, over the years.

    Despite the concerns, there was never a threatening armed revolt, and their influence was minimal. To make 99.9 per cent of the Rohingya population suffer, for a few individuals, or groups, is wrong. Most Rohingya hope for nothing more than to live in peace in a land they have known all their lives. The other notion is that the Rohingya are invaders - there is an idea that hundreds of Bangladeshi are flocking into Arakan state every day. In reality, this is completely nonsensical. Arakan state is horrendously poor, which is why countless Rohingya have fled Myanmar since Ne Win took power, and following several state offensives to drive the Rohingya out of Myanmar.


    Myanmar's Rohingya forced back to sea

    There is a thin line between ethnic cleansing and genocide. Hitler carried out ethnic cleansing on Jewish communities for years before he attempted genocide. With the whole country, including the democracy movement, seemingly behind the government's plans to expel the Rohingya, urgent intervention is needed to save the Rohginya from a humanitarian crisis, and the potential for a violent campaign by the state, alongside Rhakine extremists backed by local authorities.

    The two communities should not be separated as the government plans; instead there is an urgent need to bring the communities back together, and return the region to normality. Conflict resolution programmes and development is needed as soon as possible. The longer the two communities are apart, the more radicalisation - of both groups - will fester, and whether the government allows it to take place, supports it, or just turns a blind eye, a return to some form of violence will be almost inevitable.

    Now is not the time to argue about century-old history, or the origin of the word "Rohingya", nor is it the time to discuss when the Rohingya arrived in Arakan state. The nation's people should accept the Rohingya are not going to just be shipped off to another country. Instead of inciting counter productive anti-Rohingya campaigns, Myanmar's democracy activists, human rights defenders, and vibrant civil society, should immediately address the impending humanitarian crisis and potential devastation of the Rohingya people.

    There is no doubt that some Rohingya are guilty of terrorising Rhakine people during the recent riots, but this does not mean that hundreds of thousands of Rohingya, including countless women and children, deserve to starve to death, or be driven off a land they call home.


    While both sides are guilty of atrocities, the alleged joining of local authorities with Buddhist militia should not be happening. I am still waiting for more sources to come out but it does not look kosher.

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    I raised this same issue in 2009.

    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=224499

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    I think Channel 4 did a report on this a few weeks ago. People were fleeing to 'Bangladesh' but the govt there were sending them back.

    I'm thinking if Pakistan still had a few divisions in 'Bangladesh', maybe the Burmese wouldn't dare oppress the Believers within their borders.
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    I fail to see the problem here. The West has their "democracy" icon and is working with a government that has opened up its civil society and markets to foreign exploitation. As your article states, "The gold rush for Myanmar has begun." The ethnic cleansing of a few a Muslims is a small price to pay, in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukonTrooper View Post
    I fail to see the problem here. The West has their "democracy" icon and is working with a government that has opened up its civil society and markets to foreign exploitation. As your article states, "The gold rush for Myanmar has begun." The ethnic cleansing of a few a Muslims is a small price to pay, in my opinion.
    only took 4 posts for a russian to come in and blame the west... you guys are slipping!

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    only took 4 posts for a russian to come in and blame the west... you guys are slipping!
    Firstly, I'm not Russian. I'm Mongolian. Secondly, I don't blame the West for the violence. I was implying no one should expect the West to pressure the Myanmar government on the persecution of the Rohingyans. Iran has called on the international community to stop the Rohingyans' plight, but who cares what Iran thinks?
    Once a political decision has been reached to proceed with internal disturbances in Syria, CIA is prepared, and SIS (MI6) will attempt to mount minor sabotage and coup de main [sic] incidents within Syria, working through contacts with individuals. Incidents should not be concentrated in Damascus. [A] necessary degree of fear, [...] frontier incidents and [staged] border clashes [will] provide a pretext for intervention. The CIA and SIS should use [...] capabilities in both psychological and action fields to augment tension. [Funding should be provided for a] Free Syria Committee [and arms should be supplied to] political factions with paramilitary or other actionist capabilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukonTrooper View Post
    I fail to see the problem here. The West has their "democracy" icon and is working with a government that has opened up its civil society and markets to foreign exploitation. As your article states, "The gold rush for Myanmar has begun." The ethnic cleansing of a few a Muslims is a small price to pay, in my opinion.
    Is this a sarcastic post?
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    Is this a sarcastic post?
    In regards to my own sympathies, yes. In regards to the sympathies of powerful political, financial and corporate interests, no.
    Once a political decision has been reached to proceed with internal disturbances in Syria, CIA is prepared, and SIS (MI6) will attempt to mount minor sabotage and coup de main [sic] incidents within Syria, working through contacts with individuals. Incidents should not be concentrated in Damascus. [A] necessary degree of fear, [...] frontier incidents and [staged] border clashes [will] provide a pretext for intervention. The CIA and SIS should use [...] capabilities in both psychological and action fields to augment tension. [Funding should be provided for a] Free Syria Committee [and arms should be supplied to] political factions with paramilitary or other actionist capabilities.
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    Actually there was a huge unrest and ethnical violence caused by Muslim population a few months ago, serious enough that UN had to declared it was a humanity crisis. At least according to BBC, that unrest was started by Muslims first, so it is difficult to pin down who is the bad guy in this long violence. Afterall, their Muslim cousins in southern Thailand already pick up the bad habit of Taliban years ago so there is no guarantee blood did not flow into Burmese Muslims' head too.
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    Actually there was a huge unrest and ethnical violence caused by Muslim population a few months ago, serious enough that UN had to declared it was a humanity crisis. At least according to BBC, that unrest was started by Muslims first, so it is difficult to pin down who is the bad guy in this long violence. Afterall, their Muslim cousins in southern Thailand already pick up the bad habit of Taliban years ago so there is no guarantee blood did not flow into Burmese Muslims' head too.
    You mean the one in Rakhine where three Muslims raped and murdered a Buddhist women and the Buddhists attacked a random bus full of Muslim where those three Muslims were already found guilty and sent to jail? How is that an unrest started by Muslims?
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    You mean the one in Rakhine where three Muslims raped and murdered a Buddhist women and the Buddhists attacked a random bus full of Muslim where those three Muslims were already found guilty and sent to jail? How is that an unrest started by Muslims?
    The attacks of bus was done before those rapists were arrested, apartly because of mistakes; furthermore, Muslims were not behaving better in this event, since after the attack of bus a group of Muslim crowd took revenge by attacking and setting fire on a Buddhist village, resulted the violence became full scale.
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    The attacks of bus was done before those rapists were arrested, apartly because of mistakes; furthermore, Muslims were not behaving better in this event, since after the attack of bus a group of Muslim crowd took revenge by attacking and setting fire on a Buddhist village, resulted the violence became full scale.
    You were the one who mentioned BBC as a source:
    Following the woman's murder in May, a bus carrying Muslims was attacked and 10 people were killed, prompting more unrest in several towns and villages in Rakhine.
    Link.

    However, the chronology that you use weakens your case even further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkLordSeth View Post
    You were the one who mentioned BBC as a source:
    And you clearly ignore the actual spark that result full violence:

    On 4 June, 10 Muslim men were killed after an angry crowd attacked a bus in the Taungup district, apparently mistakenly believing some passengers were responsible for the murder.

    Three Muslim men were later arrested for the rape. Two have now been sentenced to death, one died in custody.

    After Friday prayers following the bus attack, Muslims gathered in the town of Maung Daw.

    The crowd turned angry and began attacking nearby buildings.


    Police came to quell the protest but the crowd dispersed and began to set fire to predominantly Rakhine Buddhist villages in the area.

    Curfew was declared in Maung Daw but the violence escalated and spread to many towns.

    Buddhists also launched reprisal attacks on Muslim villages.
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    So Muslims suddenly have rights to attack a whole village?
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    The attacks of bus was done before those rapists were arrested, apartly because of mistakes; furthermore, Muslims were not behaving better in this event, since after the attack of bus a group of Muslim crowd took revenge by attacking and setting fire on a Buddhist village, resulted the violence became full scale.
    Does it really matter? This shrinks from what is being done to them - if it is true that Myanmar is trying to eradicate them.

    This is just as silly as cutting of an arm for stealing a bread
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    The attacks of bus was done before those rapists were arrested, apartly because of mistakes; furthermore, Muslims were not behaving better in this event, since after the attack of bus a group of Muslim crowd took revenge by attacking and setting fire on a Buddhist village, resulted the violence became full scale.
    So it justifies the killing of infants?
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    You mean the one in Rakhine where three Muslims raped and murdered a Buddhist women How is that an unrest started by Muslims?
    The answer and question in the same post.They raped and killed a woman.A lynch mob grew and decided to find some ass to kick.Typical human pack mentality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    And you clearly ignore the actual spark that result full violence:

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    So Muslims suddenly have rights to attack a whole village?
    Let me get this straight. You prefer to ignore any incident that goes against your claim by simply calling which ever incident that is convenient for your point to be the spark?


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    The answer and question in the same post.They raped and killed a woman.A lynch mob grew and decided to find some ass to kick.Typical human pack mentality.
    So, if a Muslim robed a Buddhist person on the street that would be Muslims starting ethnic clashes?
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    Default Re: Myanmar situation (alleged ethnic cleansing of Muslim minorities)

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkLordSeth View Post
    Let me get this straight. You prefer to ignore any incident that goes against your claim by simply calling which ever incident that is convenient for your point to be the spark?
    Oh, I thought that is you?
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    Default Re: Myanmar situation (alleged ethnic cleansing of Muslim minorities)

    Oh look, hellheaven believes in collective guilt, never saw that coming.

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    Default Re: Myanmar situation (alleged ethnic cleansing of Muslim minorities)

    Not something I would call "alleged" .


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