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    The Russian Orthodox Church is going to challenge in court a ban on wearing crucifixes, which was recently introduced in the UK. Russian priests, together with Russian lawyers, intend to help two UK women who were recently fired from work for wearing crucifixes and refusing to take them off.

    The case of stewardess of The British Airways Nadia Eweida and nurse Shirley Chaplin is considered to be unprecedented by many people. Ms. Eweida and Ms. Chaplin have appealed to the Strasburg Court, calling their case a violation of freedom of religion.

    Earlier, the women tried to defend their rights in a British court. But while their case was being investigated, the UK authorities worked out a draft law which, in fact, allows employers to sack employees who do not conceal that they are Christians. Moreover, the UK authorities are going to defend their position in the European Court of Human Rights.

    “It sometimes looks like Europe’s secular authorities are trying to totally expel Christianity from Europe,” a representative of the Russian Patriarch’s Office in the Council of Europe Father Philip Ryabykh said in an interview with the Voice of Russia. “The Russian Orthodox Church cannot watch this without expressing its protest!”

    “The decision of the Strasburg Court will apply to all countries that are members of the Council of Europe, including Russia, Ukraine, Belarus and Moldova – that is, countries where Orthodox Christianity is the most common denomination,” Father Philip says. “However, it is a tradition among Orthodox Christians to always wear a crucifix. If the Strasburg Court’s decision turns out to be not in favor of these women, this would create a precedent which, I believe, would be very dangerous. This may become a start of persecution against Christianity in Europe, which is an unheard-of thing in the whole of European history!”

    Unfortunately, this is not the only case when UK employers order their employees not to wear crucifixes.

    In an interview with the Voice of Russia, Father Mikhail Dudko, an Orthodox priest in London, said:

    “Recently, a woman from my parish told me that her boss had ordered her not to wear a crucifix. She said to him: “Please allow me to wear it. I will wear it under my clothes, and nobody will see it.” He said: “There is a law that prohibits wearing a crucifix at work. Please obey this law!” The woman preferred to resign from her job.”

    “This trend has appeared not only in the UK, but also in France and some other European countries,” Father Mikhail continues. “It resembles the persecution of religion after the Bolshevik revolution in Russia.”

    The Russian Orthodox Church believes that initiators of such laws in Europe should be stopped as soon as possible. Otherwise, very soon, a total ban on any religion may be introduced all over Europe.

    Recently, representatives of the Russian Orthodox Church, in cooperation with experts from the Russian Institute of State-Confessional Relations, worked out a document which justifies the right of Christians to always wear crucifixes both from the legal and the theological points of view, and sent this document to the Strasburg Court for review.

    The Strasburg Court is planning to start hearings on the case of Nadia Eweida and Shirley Chaplin in early September 2012.
    http://www.hungarianambiance.com/201...in-europe.html

    (Notes: What a turn of events! Who would have thought twenty years ago that the time will speedily come when the once Bolshevik devastated Russia will have to protect Christianity in Europe and fight for human rights in the disinterested, demoralized and dysfunctional west.)
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    Source?

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    Quote Originally Posted by frozenprince View Post
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    http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_07_11/Christianity/

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    you mean private companies ban these as part of employee uniforms, of their own accord?

    Ridiculous of them for sure, but they should be allowed to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frozenprince View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    you mean private services companies ban these of their own accord?

    Ridiculous of them for sure, but they should be allowed to do that.
    They ban crucifixes and crosses, but do not ban stars of david or the crescent and star.
    Everyone criticizes Christianity, but no one dares to say ONE bad word about Islam or Judaism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LEGIONARIVS HVNGARIVS View Post
    They ban crucifixes and crosses, but do not ban stars of david or the crescent and star.
    Everyone criticizes Christianity, but no one dares to say ONE bad word about Islam or Judaism.
    This is just a bare faced lie. The NHS ban all necklaces. BA's since rescinded policy applied to all faiths.

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    http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/54858.htm

    Here is where OP plagiarised his post.

    I don't see how this is persecuting Christianity. These women may wear crosses: that's their right. But they do not have a right to work at British Airways or a nurse without following their employer's dress code.

    In the case of Eweida, she was suspended from work for several reasons, including refusing to work on Christmas Day, and telling a homosexual customer he could still be "redeemed". British Airways changed their policy regarding the cross, and offered Eweida a settlement of Ł8,500 but she refused (and was subsequently slapped down in court).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eweida_...sh_Airways_plc

    In the case of Chaplin, the NHS bans all necklaces for staff safety, so patients cannot grab them. So not persecuting Christians, just common sense applied to all.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/8605700.stm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/54858.htm

    Here is where OP plagiarised his post.

    I don't see how this is persecuting Christianity. These women may wear crosses: that's their right. But they do not have a right to work at British Airways or a nurse without following their employer's dress code.

    In the case of Eweida, she was suspended from work for several reasons, including refusing to work on Christmas Day, and telling a homosexual customer he could still be "redeemed". British Airways changed their policy regarding the cross, and offered Eweida a settlement of Ł8,500 but she refused (and was subsequently slapped down in court).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eweida_...sh_Airways_plc

    In the case of Chaplin, the NHS bans all necklaces for staff safety, so patients cannot grab them. So not persecuting Christians, just common sense applied to all.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/8605700.stm
    Took me a while to edit so I'm quoting myself so Hungarius can abandon his OP ASAP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/54858.htm

    Here is where OP plagiarised his post.

    I don't see how this is persecuting Christianity. These women may wear crosses: that's their right. But they do not have a right to work at British Airways or a nurse without following their employer's dress code.

    In the case of Eweida, she was suspended from work for several reasons, including refusing to work on Christmas Day, and telling a homosexual customer he could still be "redeemed". British Airways changed their policy regarding the cross, and offered Eweida a settlement of Ł8,500 but she refused (and was subsequently slapped down in court).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eweida_...sh_Airways_plc

    In the case of Chaplin, the NHS bans all necklaces for staff safety, so patients cannot grab them. So not persecuting Christians, just common sense applied to all.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/8605700.stm
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    And you know for a fact that those other symbols are not banned?

    It's stupid that those symbols are being banned by private employers, but that is all within the rights OF those employers to ban anything they don't think is proper work attire. I meen its a dress code preventing on ALL large or dangling necklaces, not just ones with crosses. If any of these people so wished im sure they could wear a cross on their lappel or wrists. You're making a big deal about "christian oppression" over NOTHING.

    Also, you're not supposed to just rip an entire article verbatum and then add one sentence of yours at the end. Summarize your point or the article and provide your own take on things. Just copy pasta isn't proper format for discussion.
    Last edited by frozenprince; July 16, 2012 at 04:37 PM.

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    If the crosses interfere with their work then the company has the right to ban them from the uniform. I doubt anyone would ban something just for the lolz

    If they don't then, yes, it is a persecution.
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    The OP provides insufficient basis for discussion or debate. PM me if you want to improve this. Closed in the meantime.

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