ELEPHANTS !!!!

[Andreius Pretorianus]

Playing as Parthia,agains the Seleucids,I lost a battle to...26 elephants !!

I mean,wtf,I destroyed all the seleucid army,with only 26 cataphrat elephants left ,and I attacked them with all my army.I used the flaming arrows to make them go amok,but nothing.They slaughtered my army,with not even one of them dead..

Is there any fix to this god unit???

[Ultra123]

RS 2.6 will make them less supermannish i believe.

[Andreius Pretorianus]

Yeah,but I d like to be able to play the game till 2.6 appears

I had a really great campaign as the parthians

[Ultra123]

find their entry in the EDU and nerf their stats a bit then, that should tie you over.

[Andreius Pretorianus]

i have no ideea what that is

[tone]

go into the Play_Parthia/data folder and look for the export_descr_units.txt file.

Look for all the elephant entries....about 2/3 way down the file you'll see these entries:

indian elephant

ptolemaic indian elephant

ptolemaic elephant forest

elephant cataphract


I would suggest that you reduce the hitpoints. Look for the line "stat_health" for each of the elephants, e.g.

stat_health 8, 40

(except the numbers will be different from that). Reduce the first number (the number of hitpoints) to 1 so the line reads something like:

stat_health 1, 40

We're in the process of tweaking these for 2.6

[Andreius Pretorianus]

the thing is,that I see they have 1,40 health from the start,not 8,40....so...

[tone]

OK, so try cutting 40 down to 20

[Andreius Pretorianus]

ok , I ll come back with the verdict,thx fot the help

[Sharpe]

I've heard on the battlemap the game can only read 15. But 40 would be used for autocalc.

[Ultra123]

thanks tone i didnt have my game files in front of me (at work) so couldnt go into such detail

[tone]

I haven't either! (at work too) so I'm guessing from memory.

The alternative is to reduce the armour values.

[Silius Saurus]

I think I ran into an elephant with a minigun mounted on it once.

But seriously, if you try stacking up the archers and shoot the fire arrows at them you should (might?) be able to spook them.

They are ludicrously overpowered, that's for sure.

[Sertorio]

Originally Posted by Sertorio
My bet all you need to do is to change the Export Descr Unit file in the data folder of RS 2.5.
localize the elephants in question, look the line starting with
stat_sec_armour (its the bigest change from RS 2.1 to RS 2.5) and tweak the numbers to something more of your taste.

In this link you have a nice Tutorial about the EDU
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=111344
Carthage towered forest elephants in RS2.0 or 2.1 (think is 2.0)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

type towered forest elephant
dictionary towered_forest_elephant
category cavalry
class heavy
voice_type Light_1
soldier greek_big_elephant_archer, 18, 6, 1
mount hs carthage elephant african
attributes sea_faring, frighten_foot, frighten_mounted, can_run_amok, can_swim
formation 7, 9, 13, 0.93, 1, square
stat_health 1, 25
stat_pri 7, 16, pointed_stick, 100, 20, missile, archery, piercing, none, 25, 1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 10, 16, no, 0, 0, melee, other, blunt, none, 25, 0.3
stat_sec_attr ap, launching
stat_pri_armour 6, 19, 5, metal
stat_sec_armour 1, 1, flesh
stat_heat 0
stat_ground 0, 2, -4, -3
stat_mental 24, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 100
stat_fire_delay 100000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 2, 6963, 2317, 1050, 1395, 870
ownership carthage

Same elephant in 2.5

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

type towered forest elephant
dictionary towered_forest_elephant
category cavalry
class heavy
voice_type Light_1
soldier greek_big_elephant_archer, 18, 6, 1
mount hs carthage elephant african
attributes sea_faring, frighten_foot, frighten_mounted, can_run_amok, can_swim
formation 7, 9, 13, 0.93, 1, square
stat_health 1, 25
stat_pri 7, 16, pointed_stick, 100, 20, missile, archery, piercing, none, 25, 1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 10, 16, no, 0, 0, melee, other, blunt, none, 25, 0.33
stat_sec_attr ap, launching
stat_pri_armour 6, 19, 5, metal
stat_sec_armour 25, 3, flesh
stat_heat 0
stat_ground 0, 2, -4, -3
stat_mental 24, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 100
stat_fire_delay 100000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 5140, 1767, 777, 1030, 643
ownership carthage

Hope it helps, cheers.

[snarst]

The easiest way to kill elephants is to auto resolve.

[Andreius Pretorianus]

still the same guys....they kill all my army.Even my flaming arrows don t scare them

[Smerka]

Here is my edited elephants file. Make a backup and copy it in the data folder for Parthia. It changes them back to normal, I got it by windows' previous versions back up from 18 February 2012.

[Risasi]

Here is my edited elephants file. Make a backup and copy it in the data folder for Parthia. It changes them back to normal, I got it by windows' previous versions back up from 18 February 2012.

I broke down and tried it. The only thing I've found that's reasonably successful was using ballista and then hitting them with fire arrows to make the leftovers run amok.
Well, I ditched my ballista (too slow, especially as Armenia) and switched to javelin groups. I had 24 elephants with only their riders pinned in a Seleucid city. Me 2300 men, him 2100. He kept his elephants to one side of the city, so I move four javelin groups to that side, snuck up and pin-cushioned the : out of them. No kills.

Meanwhile I have four hoplite units, three archer kataphracts and my mace cav just cleaning the floor. I lost about 300-400 men and just decimated his army. He had two phalanx units and one slinger unit in reserve. Well I came in the back way and took out the slingers. I'm like, "Okay, fine. I'll just go park all of my army in the square and get it over with." Low and behold the elephants finally decide to do something. They destroyed every man jack of my men. I took out one elephant. This was with your file.
I am so mad right now (not at you, just the situation). I just wasted two hours on this battle and it would have broken the back of Seleucia. I'm so disgusted with RSII right now...

[Visarion]

Here is my edited elephants file. Make a backup and copy it in the data folder for Parthia. It changes them back to normal, I got it by windows' previous versions back up from 18 February 2012.

this changes only elephs right!?

nope many more changes so only change eleps... hmmm wish somebody told me where they are, middle, bottom etc....


aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa there it is rep please!

the current one

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type elephant cataphract
dictionary elephant_cataphract
category cavalry
class heavy
voice_type Heavy_1
soldier greek_big_elephant_archer, 18, 6, 1
mount elephant indian cataphract
attributes sea_faring, frighten_foot, frighten_mounted, hardy, power_charge, can_run_amok
formation 7, 11, 13, 16, 1, square
stat_health 1, 40
stat_pri 8, 22, pointed_stick, 100, 60, missile, archery, piercing, none, 25, 1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 12, 22, no, 0, 0, melee, other, blunt, none, 25, 0.33
stat_sec_attr ap, launching
stat_pri_armour 10, 20, 5, leather
stat_sec_armour 48, 3, flesh
stat_heat 2
stat_ground -1, 2, -5, -1
stat_mental 28, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 100
stat_fire_delay 100000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 16078, 5467, 2416, 3220, 2010
ownership seleucid, slave

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middle way from the middle to the bottom of the page beneath syracusian cavalry and palmyran cataphract are all the elephs...

the one you need to add

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type elephant cataphract
dictionary elephant_cataphract
category cavalry
class heavy
voice_type Heavy_1
soldier greek_big_elephant_archer, 18, 6, 1
mount elephant indian cataphract
attributes sea_faring, frighten_foot, frighten_mounted, hardy, power_charge, can_run_amok
formation 7, 11, 13, 16, 1, square
stat_health 1, 40
stat_pri 8, 22, pointed_stick, 100, 60, missile, archery, piercing, none, 25, 1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 12, 22, no, 0, 0, melee, other, blunt, none, 25, 0.33
stat_sec_attr ap, launching
stat_pri_armour 10, 20, 5, leather
stat_sec_armour 36, 1, flesh
stat_heat 2
stat_ground -1, 2, -5, -1
stat_mental 28, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 100
stat_fire_delay 100000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 13536, 4607, 2034, 2711, 1692
ownership seleucid, slave

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just copy paste

edit: oops sorry mixed them!

edit 2: fixed

Edi 3: hmmm to fix costs too

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type elephant cataphract
dictionary elephant_cataphract
category cavalry
class heavy
voice_type Heavy_1
soldier greek_big_elephant_archer, 18, 6, 1
mount elephant indian cataphract
attributes sea_faring, frighten_foot, frighten_mounted, hardy, power_charge, can_run_amok
formation 7, 11, 13, 16, 1, square
stat_health 1, 40
stat_pri 8, 22, pointed_stick, 100, 60, missile, archery, piercing, none, 25, 1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 12, 22, no, 0, 0, melee, other, blunt, none, 25, 0.33
stat_sec_attr ap, launching
stat_pri_armour 10, 20, 5, leather
stat_sec_armour 36, 1, flesh
stat_heat 2
stat_ground -1, 2, -5, -1
stat_mental 28, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 100
stat_fire_delay 100000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 16078, 5467, 2416, 3220, 2010
ownership seleucid, slave

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Edit 4: actualy just copy/paste these: bold

type elephant cataphract
dictionary elephant_cataphract
category cavalry
class heavy
voice_type Heavy_1
soldier greek_big_elephant_archer, 18, 6, 1
mount elephant indian cataphract
attributes sea_faring, frighten_foot, frighten_mounted, hardy, power_charge, can_run_amok
formation 7, 11, 13, 16, 1, square
stat_health 1, 40
stat_pri 8, 22, pointed_stick, 100, 60, missile, archery, piercing, none, 25, 1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 12, 22, no, 0, 0, melee, other, blunt, none, 25, 0.33
stat_sec_attr ap, launching
stat_pri_armour 10, 20, 5, leather
stat_sec_armour 36, 1, flesh
stat_heat 2
stat_ground -1, 2, -5, -1
stat_mental 28, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 100
stat_fire_delay 100000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 16078, 5467, 2416, 3220, 2010
ownership seleucid, slave

edit: hmmm why am I complicating myself...

ignore the rest!

type elephant cataphract
dictionary elephant_cataphract
category cavalry
class heavy
voice_type Heavy_1
soldier greek_big_elephant_archer, 18, 6, 1
mount elephant indian cataphract
attributes sea_faring, frighten_foot, frighten_mounted, hardy, power_charge, can_run_amok
formation 7, 11, 13, 16, 1, square
stat_health 1, 40
stat_pri 8, 22, pointed_stick, 100, 60, missile, archery, piercing, none, 25, 1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 12, 22, no, 0, 0, melee, other, blunt, none, 25, 0.33
stat_sec_attr ap, launching
stat_pri_armour 10, 20, 5, leather
stat_sec_armour 36, 1, flesh these instead of 40,3... here seems to be the problem but play with numbers!
stat_heat 2
stat_ground -1, 2, -5, -1
stat_mental 28, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 100
stat_fire_delay 100000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 16078, 5467, 2416, 3220, 2010 these remain the same!
ownership seleucid, slave







edit: hmmmm the other elephs in 2.5 recieved all 3 flesh and they are good so I think I will try for those catas... 22, 3, flesh or 24, 3, flesh hmmm 22, 1, flesh.... they are catas still so 26... but no 24... 24, 3, flesha nd see how it goes... 26!? hmmm you try your numbers and communicate the best way!

Playing with Parthia 24,3, flesh for me... it will take a while to reach ANtioch though... anyway full charging cataphract cavalry should have an effect right!? I mean 4 m kontos lances...


mmmmm nope carthaginian towered elephants have 25,3, flesh and they are pretty good to me so... 26, 3, flesh for Seleucid cata eleph... well 27, 28... you choose... but more nope... it would be too hard! I will put hmmmmmmm.... 27!? yes 28... 27 that's it!

Edit: hmmmmmm 28!? anyway instead of 40 it should be ok... 27-28, 3 flesh

but wait there is more to it!


type towered forest elephant
dictionary towered_forest_elephant
category cavalry
class heavy
voice_type Light_1
soldier greek_big_elephant_archer, 18, 6, 1
mount hs carthage elephant african
attributes sea_faring, frighten_foot, frighten_mounted, can_run_amok, can_swim
formation 7, 9, 13, 0.93, 1, square
stat_health 1, 25
stat_pri 7, 16, pointed_stick, 100, 20, missile, archery, piercing, none, 25, 1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 10, 16, no, 0, 0, melee, other, blunt, none, 25, 0.33
stat_sec_attr ap, launching
stat_pri_armour 6, 19, 5, metal
stat_sec_armour 25, 3, flesh
stat_heat 0
stat_ground 0, 2, -4, -3
stat_mental 24, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 100
stat_fire_delay 100000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 5140, 1767, 777, 1030, 643
ownership carthage

type elephant cataphract
dictionary elephant_cataphract
category cavalry
class heavy
voice_type Heavy_1
soldier greek_big_elephant_archer, 18, 6, 1
mount elephant indian cataphract
attributes sea_faring, frighten_foot, frighten_mounted, hardy, power_charge, can_run_amok
formation 7, 11, 13, 16, 1, square
stat_health 1, 40
stat_pri 8, 22, pointed_stick, 100, 60, missile, archery, piercing, none, 25, 1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 12, 22, no, 0, 0, melee, other, blunt, none, 25, 0.33
stat_sec_attr ap, launching
stat_pri_armour 10, 20, 5, leather
stat_sec_armour 27,3, flesh flesh these instead of 40,3... here seems to be the problem but play with numbers!
stat_heat 2
stat_ground -1, 2, -5, -1
stat_mental 28, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 100
stat_fire_delay 100000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 16078, 5467, 2416, 3220, 2010[B]
ownership seleucid, slave


type ptolemaic indian elephant
dictionary ptolemaic_indian_elephant
category cavalry
class heavy
voice_type Medium_1
soldier greek_big_elephant_archer, 18, 6, 1
mount elephant indian
attributes sea_faring, frighten_foot, frighten_mounted, hardy, power_charge, can_run_amok
formation 7, 11, 13, 16, 1, square
stat_health 1, 30
stat_pri 8, 22, pointed_stick, 100, 20, missile, archery, piercing, none, 25, 1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 12, 22, no, 0, 0, melee, other, blunt, none, 25, 0.33
stat_sec_attr ap, launching
stat_pri_armour 8, 19, 5, leather
stat_sec_armour 20, 3, flesh
stat_heat 1
stat_ground 0, 2, -4, 0
stat_mental 25, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 100
stat_fire_delay 100000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 5156, 1773, 777, 1034, 644
ownership egypt

hmmm I will have to study the other differences...

hmmmm.... nope helath is 40 for catas and 25 for tower so...

after Ptolemaic

type elephant cataphract
dictionary elephant_cataphract
category cavalry
class heavy
voice_type Heavy_1
soldier greek_big_elephant_archer, 18, 6, 1
mount elephant indian cataphract
attributes sea_faring, frighten_foot, frighten_mounted, hardy, power_charge, can_run_amok
formation 7, 11, 13, 16, 1, square
stat_health 1, 40
stat_pri 8, 22, pointed_stick, 100, 60, missile, archery, piercing, none, 25, 1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 12, 22, no, 0, 0, melee, other, blunt, none, 25, 0.33
stat_sec_attr ap, launching
stat_pri_armour 10, 20, 5, leather
stat_sec_armour 23,3, flesh flesh these instead of 40,3... here seems to be the problem but play with numbers!
stat_heat 2
stat_ground -1, 2, -5, -1
stat_mental 28, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 100
stat_fire_delay 100000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 16078, 5467, 2416, 3220, 2010[B]
ownership seleucid, slave

I put 23 to compensate... and we hae 40 compared to 30.... so 23... 22... anyway 27 is too uch compared to other stats... together should form you know... more than tower... hmmm I'll try with 23... 23, 3, flesh

and mental means!? when they get scared!?

[Sertorio]

Are you playing one turn ?
If you are Smerka file needs to be going into the one-turn folder