BGR and money

[Coldfire88]

Ive been trying to get into playing BGRV for a while but cant seem to succeed in it.. a thing that bothers me the most is the the huge costs of nobility and supplies, and going into negative 20,000/30,000 sometimes more depending on the faction which has an almost psychological effect on me to not keep playing, since then every soldier matters since he wont be replaced, every building destroyed from rioting will stay that way for a long time etc, while wealth tax is usually not nearly enough to counter it.

a typical eurpean faction will start with about 1 stack free to move around which is not enough to take enough cities and start recovering from negative treasury, and with aggressive AI im also supposed to defend myself from other factions at the same time.

what im trying to say is Im supposed to do too much with too little, and I feel that the treasury costs of the game with the usual inflation are crippling especially at the start when Im weakest. but ofcourse thats just me...

[Byg]

Lol, yes, that's how I like it:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post11727041

[Kaidonni]

You could always play the Crusader States, they are perhaps the easiest faction in BGR V.

[Byg]

I should add that there is probably a bit too little money at the start as the OP suggested. I will nudge this up a bit for AI and player alike.

This has to be balanced carefully though or the player will be able to successfully blitz whilst the poor ai is restricted by all campaign AIs to some extent so that it remains neutral at the start.

[Doge Domenico]

I had this problem. My advice to you would be:

1. Patience patience patience. Yeah you have a stack out and about, but that doesn't mean you should use them. Garrison them in a city, and focus on expanding your economy,

2. Speaking of your economy, trade and roads. Trade and roads. Set you taxes to High (or very high if your city won't be pissed.). Also, farms, get yo' farm status up son.

3. IF YOU MUST EXPAND, DO IT RIGHT, AND KEEP IT TIGHT. Sure you may have an ingrown, burning hatred for the Germans, but can you afford a war with them right now? If its early in the game, it's probably a no. Take close rebel settlements when you can. Watch supplies and soldier costs. If you're attacking a city with 4 units, do you really need a full stack?

[Coldfire88]

I had this problem. My advice to you would be:

1. Patience patience patience. Yeah you have a stack out and about, but that doesn't mean you should use them. Garrison them in a city, and focus on expanding your economy,

2. Speaking of your economy, trade and roads. Trade and roads. Set you taxes to High (or very high if your city won't be pissed.). Also, farms, get yo' farm status up son.

3. IF YOU MUST EXPAND, DO IT RIGHT, AND KEEP IT TIGHT. Sure you may have an ingrown, burning hatred for the Germans, but can you afford a war with them right now? If its early in the game, it's probably a no. Take close rebel settlements when you can. Watch supplies and soldier costs. If you're attacking a city with 4 units, do you really need a full stack?

That would be the scottish since im england and I havnt even mentioned william wallace and his hordes lol

I understand patience but is useless if im not recovering money for example after taking wales and ireland I am left with the same stack and a half that I started out with. but very deep in debt, and every supply purchase pushes me deeper(-60k).

I could kill off all my nobility and depend on the king and his son but then my hands would be tied since troop movements and tax levels etc need nobles...

I suppose the only way is to disband all armies except a small garrison force and build my economy from scratch and keep nobles to a minimum, but I doubt il recover 50-60k in a reasonable amount of time.

BGR needs an economic guide lol

[Gpower]

I understand patience but is useless if im not recovering money for example after taking wales and ireland I am left with the same stack and a half that I started out with. but very deep in debt, and every supply purchase pushes me deeper(-60k).

And this is your problem. your playing BGRV as Scotland and you expect to be able to maintain 1.5 stack of soldiers without expanding your economy? Should have disbanded or killed those excess troops when you notice the large deficit budget.

I'm playing as genoa, 30turns and control genoa, pisa and bologna, and I'm only fielding a 2/3 stack with some room to spare. Since I'm not at war I am currently maintaining a smaller army to direct funds to construction, but I could probably maintain a 3/4 stack at the most without deficit.

I won't be so quick to set taxes to high in all settlements though. Some room for growth is needed for future development, and I try to put my faction leader into a low tax settlement to gain chivalry points to improve my diplomatic standings. I generally only use high taxes in an emergency when I urgently need funds.

[Coldfire88]

Note that raising taxes at local level is not always good for the treasury/faction economy as the local lord (owner) or faction estate governor (administrator) takes 100 for his own purse per tax level if the market is advanced. So if a tax level only adds about 100 or less then keep taxes low and you will ultimately get more money via the associated population increase.

This same downside to local taxation for the economy is great news for poor generals donating towards crusades.

Another way to save the treasury money when you have rich nobles is to get them to put some of their own money towards recruitment rather than use only the treasury. Just make sure they don't have an Administrator or WarCouncil position. Following this thinking you can also give a rich lord the resupply train so he has to pay for it to be stocked.

PS. I will upload the slightly larger purse version soon.

Thanks Byg very good tips there.

definitely the depth that the mod offers is what keeps me trying.

And this is your problem. your playing BGRV as Scotland and you expect to be able to maintain 1.5 stack of soldiers without expanding your economy? Should have disbanded or killed those excess troops when you notice the large deficit budget.

I'm playing as genoa, 30turns and control genoa, pisa and bologna, and I'm only fielding a 2/3 stack with some room to spare. Since I'm not at war I am currently maintaining a smaller army to direct funds to construction, but I could probably maintain a 3/4 stack at the most without deficit.

I won't be so quick to set taxes to high in all settlements though. Some room for growth is needed for future development, and I try to put my faction leader into a low tax settlement to gain chivalry points to improve my diplomatic standings. I generally only use high taxes in an emergency when I urgently need funds.

Playing as england not scotland but your point seems to be right, I thought I could support an army and a half right away with all of england and ireland, even though I did build roads and a few high paying mines with my start money and trade with the neighbors. I also mismanaged my nobles.

[Byg]

Just keep thinking about it, that's what the mod is all about. Eventually you will find a way.

[Had]

Charge scutage tax, that will balance out their cost, but you need every noble to have at least one city (not castle! Having castles are good, but not help your finances much) or they will go bankrupt. Not joining a crusade also helps if you can live without elite troops.
Also take advantage of the ability to build and set tax level everywhere at the first turn, use the starting money to build mines and farms or trading facilites. Disbanding some units from the starting armies is a must unless you go to war immediately. Using the disband effectively is a key element of the game in my opinion.

[Byg]

Note that raising taxes at local level is not always good for the treasury/faction economy as the local lord (owner) or faction estate governor (administrator) takes 100 for his own purse per tax level if the market is advanced. So if a tax level only adds about 100 or less then keep taxes low and you will ultimately get more money via the associated population increase.

This same downside to local taxation for the economy is great news for poor generals donating towards crusades.

Another way to save the treasury money when you have rich nobles is to get them to put some of their own money towards recruitment rather than use only the treasury. Just make sure they don't have an Administrator or WarCouncil position. Following this thinking you can also give a rich lord the resupply train so he has to pay for it to be stocked.

PS. I will upload the slightly larger purse version soon.