A little thought of mine

[tudor93]

Ok, here's my dilema: In my Kievan Rus campaign I married my faction heir, Vladimir (who has 'Of Kievan Rus blood' trait), to a Genoese princess, Fiora the Affectionate (which, of course, has 'Of Genoese blood' trait).

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The problem is that their offspring, Andrei, only has the trait 'Of Kievan Rus blood' and instead of 'Of Genoese blood' trait he has 'Genoese relations' trait, which has no effect.

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And here is why I find it odd that Andrei doesn't also have 'Of Genoese blood' trait: meet Kirill, a novgorodian family member (he is a badass, as you can see from his traits ) seduced by Eupraxia (she was a royal princess of mine with 'Of Kievan Rus blood' trait) and brought into my family. Their son, Izyaslav, has both 'Of Kievan Rus blood' and 'Of Novgorodian blood' traits. WHY ? Judging by Andrei's case, Izyaslav should have gotten only 'Novgorodian relations' (or whatever); or he should have only 'Of Novgorodian blood' trait and 'Kievan Rus relations' . My logic is good, right ?

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[miniwally]

Is it not possible the geonese princess isn't of geonese blood due to adoptions in the geonese family. Might be with the AI though.

[Peter Bolland]

If the father is of English blood -> the son is English blood.
If the mother is of English blood and father is not and the son is English -> the son is of English blood
If the mother is of English blood and father is not and the son is NOT English -> the son gets English relations

If the father or the mother is of English blood and the princess is English -> the daughter gets English blood

So Genoese princess and Kievan Rus faction -> Genoese relations

Novgorodian father and Kievan Rus princess and Kievan Rus faction -> Kievan Rus blood, Novgorodian blood

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Trigger Royal_Blood_English_CharacterComesOfAge_Father
 WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

 Condition FatherTrait Royal_Blood_English > 0

 Affects Royal_Blood_English 1 Chance 100

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Trigger Royal_Blood_English_CharacterComesOfAge_Mother
 WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

 Condition FatherTrait WifeIsEnglish = 1
       and FatherTrait Royal_Blood_English = 0
       and FactionType england

 Affects Royal_Blood_English 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Royal_Relation_English_CharacterComesOfAge_Father
 WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

 Condition FatherTrait Royal_Relation_English > 0

 Affects Royal_Relation_English 1 Chance 100

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Trigger Royal_Relation_English_CharacterComesOfAge_Mother
 WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

 Condition FatherTrait WifeIsEnglish = 1
       and FatherTrait Royal_Blood_English = 0
       and not FactionType england

 Affects Royal_Relation_English 1 Chance 100

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Trigger princess_Royal_Blood_English_CharacterComesOfAge
 WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

 Condition FatherTrait Royal_Blood_English > 0
       and AgentType = princess

 Affects Princess_Royal_Blood_English 1 Chance 100

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Trigger princess_Royal_Blood_English_CharacterComesOfAge2
 WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

 Condition FatherTrait WifeIsEnglish = 1
       and FatherTrait Royal_Blood_English = 0
       and FactionType england
       and AgentType = princess

 Affects Princess_Royal_Blood_English 1 Chance 100

[tudor93]

If the father is of English blood -> the son is English blood.
If the mother is of English blood and father is not and the son is English -> the son is of English blood
If the mother is of English blood and father is not and the son is NOT English -> the son gets English relations

If the father or the mother is of English blood and the princess is English -> the daughter gets English blood

So Genoese princess and Kievan Rus faction -> Genoese relations

Novgorodian father and Kievan Rus princess and Kievan Rus faction -> Kievan Rus blood, Novgorodian blood

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Trigger Royal_Blood_English_CharacterComesOfAge_Father
 WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

 Condition FatherTrait Royal_Blood_English > 0

 Affects Royal_Blood_English 1 Chance 100

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Trigger Royal_Blood_English_CharacterComesOfAge_Mother
 WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

 Condition FatherTrait WifeIsEnglish = 1
       and FatherTrait Royal_Blood_English = 0
       and FactionType england

 Affects Royal_Blood_English 1 Chance 100

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Trigger Royal_Relation_English_CharacterComesOfAge_Father
 WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

 Condition FatherTrait Royal_Relation_English > 0

 Affects Royal_Relation_English 1 Chance 100

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Trigger Royal_Relation_English_CharacterComesOfAge_Mother
 WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

 Condition FatherTrait WifeIsEnglish = 1
       and FatherTrait Royal_Blood_English = 0
       and not FactionType england

 Affects Royal_Relation_English 1 Chance 100

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Trigger princess_Royal_Blood_English_CharacterComesOfAge
 WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

 Condition FatherTrait Royal_Blood_English > 0
       and AgentType = princess

 Affects Princess_Royal_Blood_English 1 Chance 100

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Trigger princess_Royal_Blood_English_CharacterComesOfAge2
 WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

 Condition FatherTrait WifeIsEnglish = 1
       and FatherTrait Royal_Blood_English = 0
       and FactionType england
       and AgentType = princess

 Affects Princess_Royal_Blood_English 1 Chance 100

meh, I didn't understand a thing
whatever, thanks for trying to explain anyway

[Peter Bolland]

I guess I was too technical. But I did sum up at the end of the post.

If you are French (france faction) and your character (Of French Blood) marries an English princess (Of English Blood), their sons will be French (Of French Blood) and will be related to the English (English Relations).
If you are English (england faction) and your adopted character (no blood traits) marries an English princess (Royal Blood English), their sons will be English (Of English Blood).

Same for you.

You are Kievan Rus. Your character (Of Kievan Blood) marries a Genoese princess (Of Genoese Blood). Because you are not Genoa, their sons will be (Of Kievan Blood) from father and (Genoese Relations) from mother.

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These triggers will do that.

Trigger Royal_Blood_Kievan_CharacterComesOfAge_Father
 WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

 Condition FatherTrait Royal_Blood_Kievan > 0

 Affects Royal_Blood_Kievan 1 Chance 100
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Trigger Royal_Relation_Milanese_CharacterComesOfAge_Mother
 WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

 Condition FatherTrait WifeIsMilanese = 1
       and FatherTrait Royal_Blood_Milanese = 0
       and not FactionType milan

 Affects Royal_Relation_Milanese 1 Chance 100
;------------------------------------------

You are Kievan Rus. Novgorodian character (Of Novgorodian Blood) marries your princess (Of Kievan Blood). Because you are Kievan Rus, their sons will be (Of Novgorodian Blood) from father and (Of Kievan Blood) from mother.

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These triggers will do that.

Trigger Royal_Relation_Russian_CharacterComesOfAge_Father
 WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

 Condition FatherTrait Royal_Relation_Russian > 0

 Affects Royal_Relation_Russian 1 Chance 100
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Trigger Royal_Blood_Kievan_CharacterComesOfAge_Mother
 WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

 Condition FatherTrait WifeIsKievan = 1
       and FatherTrait Royal_Blood_Kievan = 0
       and FactionType kievan_rus

 Affects Royal_Blood_Kievan 1 Chance 100
;------------------------------------------

They are supposed to teach people to think at school. In reality, they make us memorize stuff without thinking.
Damn schools, teach us logic! I don't blame you, tudor93, I blame the schools.

[tudor93]

Oh, I understand now how this works ... thank you very much
About the logic part: it still doesn't make sense for the kid to not get the 'Of .... blood' trait just because his mother doesn't belong to my faction

[MikeNice808]

Ok, here's my dilema: In my Kievan Rus campaign I married my faction heir, Vladimir (who has 'Of Kievan Rus blood' trait), to a Genoese princess, Fiora the Affectionate (which, of course, has 'Of Genoese blood' trait).

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The problem is that their offspring, Andrei, only has the trait 'Of Kievan Rus blood' and instead of 'Of Genoese blood' trait he has 'Genoese relations' trait, which has no effect.

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And here is why I find it odd that Andrei doesn't also have 'Of Genoese blood' trait: meet Kirill, a novgorodian family member (he is a badass, as you can see from his traits ) seduced by Eupraxia (she was a royal princess of mine with 'Of Kievan Rus blood' trait) and brought into my family. Their son, Izyaslav, has both 'Of Kievan Rus blood' and 'Of Novgorodian blood' traits. WHY ? Judging by Andrei's case, Izyaslav should have gotten only 'Novgorodian relations' (or whatever); or he should have only 'Of Novgorodian blood' trait and 'Kievan Rus relations' . My logic is good, right ?

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hey on the recruitment slot what unit is the guy in the red? and what version of SS are you playing??
Never seen that before....bout to head off to a Ukrainian Festival in upstate NY so I am in the mood!!!!!

[Peter Bolland]

hey on the recruitment slot what unit is the guy in the red? and what version of SS are you playing??
Never seen that before....bout to head off to a Ukrainian Festival in upstate NY so I am in the mood!!!!!

That's the Royal Envoy from RLC submod (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=436011).

[Peter Bolland]

That gave me pause, too. I guess it's for gameplay considerations, to keep your family tree in your bloodline and intact. Direct descendants in a nation versus indirect descendants 2 countries away.

I guess that when somebody claims he has Norwegian blood for example and his family has lived in the USA for 3 generations, but it was his great great great grandfather that was Norwegian, he doesn't have much Norwegian blood left, so is just slightly related. Many people's lineages can be traced back to Charlemagne or Genghis Khan. But that doesn't mean such association carries any weight.

It's the same with nation states. How do you define where France (and French people) ends and Germany (and German people) begins except by arbitrary boundaries and separations?

[MikeNice808]

whoa trippy...

[Viperidae]

I didn't know that it was possible to get more than one of the royal blood traits. If you only let your male descendants marry, you can actually have 2 permanent bloodline traits (your own+another) with some minimal effort (which may or may not work very well due to the way marriages work). Theoretically, you could have more, but that would require a foreign princess with royal blood to snatch your family member with two bloodlines, breed and then you to either bribe or seduce one of their male offsprings. Could be made to work in a hotseat game with a lot of effort, I guess.

I'm going to try this out, in any way. I'll probably go with the two rus factions, as +10 movement points for all your family members seems pretty damn strong. Especially as your homelands are rather vast. +2 chivalry also seems very nice for governors.

[tudor93]

I didn't know that it was possible to get more than one of the royal blood traits. If you only let your male descendants marry, you can actually have 2 permanent bloodline traits (your own+another) with some minimal effort (which may or may not work very well due to the way marriages work). Theoretically, you could have more, but that would require a foreign princess with royal blood to snatch your family member with two bloodlines, breed and then you to either bribe or seduce one of their male offsprings. Could be made to work in a hotseat game with a lot of effort, I guess.

I don't think you have to do such a complicated work.
Look at my pics: Kirill, the Novgorodian guy, beside his boy, Yzyaslav, also has 3 daughters; if I manage to make Kirill heir/leader before his daughters turn 14 they will become royal princesses (agents on the map), and I suppose the 3 girls will have both bloodlines (Novgorodian and Kievan Rus).
Izyaslav (the guy with 2 bloodlines, Kirill's son) also has a daughter. If he also becomes leader/heir before his daughter turns 14 she will become a royal princess with both bloodlines.
You can then use those princesses to steal other generals with other blood lines, for example Polish. The kids will then have Novgorodian and Kievan Rus blood from their mother (because it's my princess) and Polish (or whatever) blood from their father.

[Viperidae]

I don't think you have to do such a complicated work.
Look at my pics: Kirill, the Novgorodian guy, beside his boy, Yzyaslav, also has 3 daughters; if I manage to make Kirill heir/leader before his daughters turn 14 they will become royal princesses (agents on the map), and I suppose the 3 girls will have both bloodlines (Novgorodian and Kievan Rus).
Izyaslav (the guy with 2 bloodlines, Kirill's son) also has a daughter. If he also becomes leader/heir before his daughter turns 14 she will become a royal princess with both bloodlines.
You can then use those princesses to steal other generals with other blood lines, for example Polish. The kids will then have Novgorodian and Kievan Rus blood from their mother (because it's my princess) and Polish (or whatever) blood from their father.

The problem is that family members, according to Peter Bolland, can only inherit foreign "of x blood" from their father's side.

[tudor93]

The problem is that family members, according to Peter Bolland, can only inherit foreign "of x blood" from their father's side.

Nope . Read carefully post #5 : if the mother is a royal princess from your faction the kid will inherit the 'Of x blood' trait from her too; for example: I'm playing as France and the mother is a former royal princess (a former agent on the campaign map) with 'Of French blood' trait and the father is an English family member (with 'Of English blood' trait) -> their kids will have both English and French blood, just because of the simple fact that the Princess was French like the faction I'm playing.

[Viperidae]

Nope . Read carefully post #5 : if the mother is a royal princess from your faction the kid will inherit the 'Of x blood' trait from her too; for example: I'm playing as France and the mother is a former royal princess (a former agent on the campaign map) with 'Of French blood' trait and the father is an English family member (with 'Of English blood' trait) -> their kids will have both English and French blood, just because of the simple fact that the Princess was French like the faction I'm playing.

YOU read it carefully, good sir!

Trigger Royal_Relation_English_CharacterComesOfAge_Mother
WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

Condition FatherTrait WifeIsEnglish = 1
and FatherTrait Royal_Blood_English = 0
and not FactionType england

Affects Royal_Relation_Milanese 1 Chance 100

You get the royal relations trait, yes, but that one has no effect (except for a few that gives -loyalty).

Trigger Royal_Blood_English_CharacterComesOfAge_Mother
WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

Condition FatherTrait WifeIsEnglish = 1
and FatherTrait Royal_Blood_English = 0
and FactionType england

Affects Royal_Blood_English 1 Chance 100

Is the corresponding one when you are of the faction that the royal blood belongs to.

Foreign royal blood inherited from mother->Royal relations trait
Own faction royal blood inherited from mother->Royal blood trait

[tudor93]

oh lol, got it ... again , but this is so complicated

[makute]

So, it's possible to restore a lost bloodline (due to excesive adopting or lack of male offspring), marrying a royal princess with a general without "Of X Blood" trait?

[Viperidae]

So, it's possible to restore a lost bloodline (due to excesive adopting or lack of male offspring), marrying a royal princess with a general without "Of X Blood" trait?

She must have the "Of X Blood", though.

[makute]

She must have the "Of X Blood", though.

Yes, of course, I assumed that. Good to know, thanks.