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    Essential listening for anyone who is interested in...anything.

    But this is the one in particular I would like to bring to your attention. Ultimately he draws down the decline of the west to complacency, particularly about state institutions. He argues vehemently for private schools AND public schools saying that they create a mutually beneficial competitive feedback loop.

    I must say it isn't the biggest point of the lecture but I'd particularly agree with the complacency about state institutions. On any panel programme with an audience anyone who suggests things aren't as they should be is jeered for suggesting improvements and then someone (usually populist labour) chimes in with yeeeeaaaahh but the NHS/Teachers/Doctors/royalty/military are our most precious resource to thunderous applause even though they basically said nothing and the other POV suggested reform.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/b01jmxsk

    Thoughts? It is an hour long but he is also an entertaining speaker. Public philosopher was good as well.

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    I don't think we can argue that the west has declined, given its steady stream of technological and cultural innovation, but instead, our societal strengths have been adapted by a few non-western nations, who are now catching up.

    It's nothing but a natural development - western "supremacy" could not last forever, and I would argue that the recent equalization of world affairs is for the better, although dictatorial China is still a black spot in my book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aanker View Post
    I don't think we can argue that the west has declined, given its steady stream of technological and cultural innovation, but instead, our societal strengths have been adapted by a few non-western nations, who are now catching up.

    It's nothing but a natural development - western "supremacy" could not last forever, and I would argue that the recent equalization of world affairs is for the better, although dictatorial China is still a black spot in my book.
    So you are arguing there has been no stagnation? Did you listen to the lecture? Do you dispute the literacy statistics et all?

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    So you are arguing there has been no stagnation? Did you listen to the lecture? Do you dispute the literacy statistics et all?
    Sorry, I just read your summary.

    (Note: I would argue there is a major difference between "decline" - as stated in the OP - and "stagnancy". Decline implies that the situation has become worse, whereas stagnancy means that the progress and advancement of a society is slowing down to a standstill. I would certainly disagree that the west is experiencing the former, but I am also doubtful that it is facing a serious "stagnance")

    I suppose I could listen to it (however I am running on the 3G grid at the moment, with limited data access, so I would prefer not to), but I find the claim strange. Certainly, we have (or are still going through) a period of economic uncertainity, but nowhere have I seen reports that claim a significant deterioration in society. I think our advances have just exposed our weaknesses. It's possible that some western nations are in a period of decline, but looking at most countries, what we see is basically the effort to rebuild after the financial crisis (the U.S. is slowly rebounding, for instance).

    The 19th and 20th centuries were in many ways the centuries of the "west". Starting with the financial reforms in China and the dissolution of the old Soviet bloc, the rest of the world has slowly caught up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aanker View Post
    Sorry, I just read your summary.
    You barstewart!


    (Note: I would argue there is a major difference between "decline" - as stated in the OP - and "stagnancy". Decline implies that the situation has become worse, whereas stagnancy means that the progress and advancement of a society is slowing down to a standstill. I would certainly disagree that the west is experiencing the former, but I am also doubtful that it is facing a serious "stagnance")
    But it clearly has. But despite reading my summary you haven't listened to the lecture

    Literacy rates were good, now they are bad. Thats decline, and just one indicator of many.

    I suppose I could listen to it (however I am running on the 3G grid at the moment, with limited data access, so I would prefer not to), but I find the claim strange. Certainly, we have (or are still going through) a period of economic uncertainity, but nowhere have I seen reports that claim a significant deterioration in society. I think our advances have just exposed our weaknesses. It's possible that some western nations are in a period of decline, but looking at most countries, what we see is basically the effort to rebuild after the financial crisis (the U.S. is slowly rebounding, for instance).

    The 19th and 20th centuries were in many ways the centuries of the "west". Starting with the financial reforms in China and the dissolution of the old Soviet bloc, the rest of the world has slowly caught up.
    Talk to me after listening mate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Crane! View Post
    Essential listening for anyone who is interested in...anything.

    But this is the one in particular I would like to bring to your attention. Ultimately he draws down the decline of the west to complacency, particularly about state institutions. He argues vehemently for private schools AND public schools saying that they create a mutually beneficial competitive feedback loop.

    I must say it isn't the biggest point of the lecture but I'd particularly agree with the complacency about state institutions. On any panel programme with an audience anyone who suggests things aren't as they should be is jeered for suggesting improvements and then someone (usually populist labour) chimes in with yeeeeaaaahh but the NHS/Teachers/Doctors/royalty/military are our most precious resource to thunderous applause even though they basically said nothing and the other POV suggested reform.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/b01jmxsk

    Thoughts? It is an hour long but he is also an entertaining speaker. Public philosopher was good as well.

    They where interesting (there are another 3 by this guy IIRC) but his solution was PRIVATISE EVERYTHING! Which he then claimed wasn't driven by ideology or politics... he made some interesting points, then undermined them totally basically. Especially when challenged, he claimed we needed more power to voluntary associations, then called the unions to powerful and big, he claimed we needed to privatise schools, then when faced with countries that had tried that and had bad results, he dodged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justicar5 View Post
    They where interesting (there are another 3 by this guy IIRC) but his solution was PRIVATISE EVERYTHING! Which he then claimed wasn't driven by ideology or politics... he made some interesting points, then undermined them totally basically. Especially when challenged, he claimed we needed more power to voluntary associations, then called the unions to powerful and big, he claimed we needed to privatise schools, then when faced with countries that had tried that and had bad results, he dodged.
    Listen again before I discuss this with you.

    He said about ten times or more and really stressed multiple times that he was promoting state education in conjunction with private education and as I said in my OP that they create a mutually beneficial relationship.

    Sorry but if you are saying that I literally DON'T belive you listened to the lecture. You literally can't have and still hold the opinion that he believes in privatising everything.

    So tell the truth, did you listen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Crane! View Post
    Listen again before I discuss this with you.

    He said about ten times or more and really stressed multiple times that he was promoting state education in conjunction with private education and as I said in my OP that they create a mutually beneficial relationship.

    Sorry but if you are saying that I literally DON'T belive you listened to the lecture. You literally can't have and still hold the opinion that he believes in privatising everything.

    So tell the truth, did you listen?

    I listen to Radio 4 every day at work and listened to them as they where broadcast. His comments on state funded education was to have the state pay but private business provide, and we can see how well privatising public services works... lets see: Trains: Prices went up, quality and reliability fell, Utilities: prices went up, reliability fell, NHS Cleaning: Hospital infection rates sky-rocketed. Academies: Mixed, some turn around (But they get more cash, so that should be expected) Some don't (Again they have more cash some result should occur, but doesn't) Also his call for voluntary associations then slamming unions reeked of cognitive dissonance.

    HOWEVER: His lecture about the rule of lawyers was far more interesting, as was the lecture about regulation, (these concepts are linked, as he explains, by complicated regulation leading to evasion, and grey areas, which lawyers move into and exploit) His conclusion about the amount of regulation I didn't agree with but the type was interesting, make the rules clear, concise, and have robust enforcement, (he would be lighter touch than I think can be justified given the recent series of scandals and disasters, but the premise is at least interesting).

    (His comments that everyone should join the Tea Party in the question and answer session to the first lecture I chose to take as a joke....)
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    Quote Originally Posted by justicar5 View Post
    I listen to Radio 4 every day at work and listened to them as they where broadcast. His comments on state funded education was to have the state pay but private business provide, and we can see how well privatising public services works... lets see: Trains: Prices went up, quality and reliability fell, Utilities: prices went up, reliability fell, NHS Cleaning: Hospital infection rates sky-rocketed. Academies: Mixed, some turn around (But they get more cash, so that should be expected) Some don't (Again they have more cash some result should occur, but doesn't) Also his call for voluntary associations then slamming unions reeked of cognitive dissonance.

    HOWEVER: His lecture about the rule of lawyers was far more interesting, as was the lecture about regulation, (these concepts are linked, as he explains, by complicated regulation leading to evasion, and grey areas, which lawyers move into and exploit) His conclusion about the amount of regulation I didn't agree with but the type was interesting, make the rules clear, concise, and have robust enforcement, (he would be lighter touch than I think can be justified given the recent series of scandals and disasters, but the premise is at least interesting).

    (His comments that everyone should join the Tea Party in the question and answer session to the first lecture I chose to take as a joke....)
    Again I just don't believe you have listened to the lecture. He argued vehemently for state schools provided by state sources.

    And myths of hospital private cleaning? Last time you mentioned this I called you on this and you didn't reply. I've given up replying to you many times Justicar. You think what you think regardless of critical thinking or research.

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    Again I just don't believe you have listened to the lecture. He argued vehemently for state schools provided by state sources.

    And myths of hospital private cleaning? Last time you mentioned this I called you on this and you didn't reply. I've given up replying to you many times Justicar. You think what you think regardless of critical thinking or research.

    I can't believe you listened to it, he did argued for state funding yes..of privately run schools, and stated that unions (one of his 'voluntary associations') need to be weakened. I do not agree with his final lecture, the previous 3 however did raise some interesting points.

    Oh and on the fall of cleaning standards:

    http://www.healthprofessionals4nhs.c...vatisation.pdf

    On the increasing costs of the privatised train networks:
    http://www.aslef.org.uk/information/...privatisation/ (shows the increased costs of subsidies, yes the private owners extort more in subsidies than BR ever received) (finding comparative fares seems like it will take longer)

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    Grr, I suppose I will then.

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    Grr, I suppose I will then.
    Ha! That was the point of the thread!

    If its any conciliation I'm just glad someone posted in the thread

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    Since the BBC uses the British taxpayers' generosity to permit podcasts, I've got a copy.

    He's a lot more moderate in other productions, so the lectures actually express his true opinions, which despite his disclaimer tended to be biased. While I support his point that private and public schools should exist in parallel, I disagree the reason public schools aren't doing so well is due to having reached their peak.
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    Lets pop the myths one at a time shall we?

    And how about we don't take union sources since unions are full of .

    Infections and private cleaning, well MRSA is a highly suitable target.
    http://www.uktreatment.com/why-the-u...fection-rates/
    UK infection rates: private hospitals
    The major groups of private hospitals in the UK, which include BMI Healthcare, Abbey Hospitals, HCA International, Spire Healthcare (formerly BUPA Hospitals) all report very few MRSA infections (in many cases zero infection rates) and lower infection rates for C. difficile infection than many NHS Trusts. [4]

    Independent large private hospitals in London, such as The Portland Hospital and The London Clinic also report zero MRSA infection rates and a low risk of C. difficile. The London Clinic’s latest published rate for C difficile is just under 33 cases per 100,000 bed days.



    http://www.staffnurse.com/nursing-ne...ecks-1627.html
    NHS Fail To Meet Cleanliness Checks

    NHS Fail To Meet Cleanliness Checks

    Many English hospitals are failing to meet cleanliness standards, according to a shock report today. As many as two thirds of hospitals failed inspections by the the Healthcare Commission.

    The findings are particularly damning as inspectors used unannounced spot checks to test claims that hospitals are getting cleaner. Official league tables are based on self-assessment.

    Inspectors concluded that all but 33 hospitals had room for improvement. Some 100 hospitals were inspected.

    Some of the worst offenders were psychiatric hospitals and private hospitals.

    The investigation failed to find evidence that private contractors were to blame for poor cleanliness. Instead they pointed to overall working relationships, regardless of whether cleaners were employed in-house or not.




    ..............................


    Oh and finally I mean despite the lack of any kind of evidence between private or incall infectionr rates I might point out another thing, it pays to stay schtum on topics that you know nothing about. That goes for you and the Unions providing your sources.

    MRSA, Cleanliness? Really, linking the two are we? I did it as an objective exercise but understand this that cleanliness is not even close to being a silver bullet panacea for MRSA since in a recent study 2.5% of children were carriers of the infection in their nose. That is close to 3 people in 100 that visit each day or more that probably carry the MRSA in with them.

    New research has failed to find a link between hospital cleanliness ratings and rates of methicillin resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA).

    Although the Department of Health has emphasised the importance of hospital cleanliness in reducing MRSA, researchers were unable to establish a consistent link in the data they analysed (Journal of Hospital Infection 2006;64:184-6).

    “The authors believe, and the data support this belief, that there is no direct link between hospital environmental cleanliness measured by Patient Environment Action Team (PEAT) scores and the risk of MRSA bacteraemia,” say the authors from Bradford Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust, Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust, and the University of Leeds.

    “Programmes that target standards of hospital cleanliness alone are unlikely to succeed in lowering MRSA infection rates. A high standard of hospital cleanliness is certainly a goal worth achieving.


    Sure cleanliness helps but then there isn't a link yet between improved cleanliness and private compared to inhouse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Crane! View Post
    Lets pop the myths one at a time shall we?

    And how about we don't take union sources since unions are full of .

    Infections and private cleaning, well MRSA is a highly suitable target.
    http://www.uktreatment.com/why-the-u...fection-rates/
    UK infection rates: private hospitals
    The major groups of private hospitals in the UK, which include BMI Healthcare, Abbey Hospitals, HCA International, Spire Healthcare (formerly BUPA Hospitals) all report very few MRSA infections (in many cases zero infection rates) and lower infection rates for C. difficile infection than many NHS Trusts. [4]

    Independent large private hospitals in London, such as The Portland Hospital and The London Clinic also report zero MRSA infection rates and a low risk of C. difficile. The London Clinic’s latest published rate for C difficile is just under 33 cases per 100,000 bed days.



    http://www.staffnurse.com/nursing-ne...ecks-1627.html
    NHS Fail To Meet Cleanliness Checks

    NHS Fail To Meet Cleanliness Checks

    Many English hospitals are failing to meet cleanliness standards, according to a shock report today. As many as two thirds of hospitals failed inspections by the the Healthcare Commission.

    The findings are particularly damning as inspectors used unannounced spot checks to test claims that hospitals are getting cleaner. Official league tables are based on self-assessment.

    Inspectors concluded that all but 33 hospitals had room for improvement. Some 100 hospitals were inspected.

    Some of the worst offenders were psychiatric hospitals and private hospitals.

    The investigation failed to find evidence that private contractors were to blame for poor cleanliness. Instead they pointed to overall working relationships, regardless of whether cleaners were employed in-house or not.




    ..............................


    Oh and finally I mean despite the lack of any kind of evidence between private or incall infectionr rates I might point out another thing, it pays to stay schtum on topics that you know nothing about. That goes for you and the Unions providing your sources.

    MRSA, Cleanliness? Really, linking the two are we? I did it as an objective exercise but understand this that cleanliness is not even close to being a silver bullet panacea for MRSA since in a recent study 2.5% of children were carriers of the infection in their nose. That is close to 3 people in 100 that visit each day or more that probably carry the MRSA in with them.

    New research has failed to find a link between hospital cleanliness ratings and rates of methicillin resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA).

    Although the Department of Health has emphasised the importance of hospital cleanliness in reducing MRSA, researchers were unable to establish a consistent link in the data they analysed (Journal of Hospital Infection 2006;64:184-6).

    “The authors believe, and the data support this belief, that there is no direct link between hospital environmental cleanliness measured by Patient Environment Action Team (PEAT) scores and the risk of MRSA bacteraemia,” say the authors from Bradford Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust, Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust, and the University of Leeds.

    “Programmes that target standards of hospital cleanliness alone are unlikely to succeed in lowering MRSA infection rates. A high standard of hospital cleanliness is certainly a goal worth achieving.


    Sure cleanliness helps but then there isn't a link yet between improved cleanliness and private compared to inhouse.

    No I was implying a link between hospital acquired infections and cleanliness, if I didn't make myself clear sorry oh and unions are full of less than private hospital companies, and private cleaners.

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    Ah so we must keep it that basic? No sorry that ain't the way I work.

    The example of MRSA is a great one, screening of patients reduces infections more than cleanliness.

    But then again infection rates?

    Some 60 to 65% of UK hospitals are in-house cleaned. Despite this the UK has one of the worst healthcare associated infection rates in Europe. In the recent ‘deep clean’ programme, contract cleaners were brought in to support in house teams that could not cope with the work. Most importantly, without fundamental improvements in hand hygiene, bed management and antibiotic prescribing practice no amount of cleaning, whoever does it, is going to make a difference to infection rates.

    The real issues are common to all NHS cleaning operations, be they outsourced or in-house. They are the under-resourcing of cleaning, low prioritisation of cleaning by NHS Trusts and a lack of screening and segregation of patients with infections.


    60-65% are in house cleaned but privatisation is a great talking point and demonisation tool isn't it? No one wants to talk about the fact that controlling overprescription is definitely a part of infection control.

    But lets pick up on some of the other key points listed here in a further report:

    Peter Carroll from the British Cleaning Council talks about the importance of cleaning, whether done in house or through a contracted company, and discusses the need for higher cleaning budgets
    At the end of February 2010 the Care Quality Commission (CQC) published findings from its enquiry into the standard of care provided by the Mid Staffordshire NHS Foundation Trust between 2005 and 2008. Their investigation was launched after abnormally high fatality rates were recorded at their Staffordshire hospitals over this period, with at least 400 extra fatalities amongst patients identified in comparison to hospitals with a similar case mix.

    Although the CQC, the independent regulator of health and social care in England, could not state how many of the deaths were directly attributable to the poor quality of care, it concluded that the hospitals routine cut-backs on cleaning were likely to have been a factor. It linked the poor hygiene standards on the wards where patients contracted C. difficile infection, to an ingrained culture where patients were routinely supplied with insufficient care.

    The origins of the situation were traced to 2006 when the trust set itself a target of saving £10m, roughly equivalent to eight per cent of its overall turnover. To achieve this over 150 posts were lost, including cleaners, despite the hospital already having comparatively low levels of staff. When the commission analysed the trust’s board meetings from April 2005 to 2008, it found discussions were “dominated by finance, targets and achieving foundation trust status”. The commission’s report also identified a culture of concealment: when the infection rate of Clostridium difficile nearly doubled in the early months of 2006, the information was not released to the board or the public.

    The controversy surrounding the enquiries findings provoked several days of media debate about whether the early warning system, which is supposed to detect underperformance at trust level, is working effectively across the whole of the NHS. The hospital in Stafford, which employed its cleaners directly between 2005 and 2008, also became a focus of a discussion around the comparative merits of outsourced or in-house ward cleaning.

    Achieveing the best results
    Is it really fair to use an isolated case of inadequate care to shape the wider argument of how to achieve the safest and most efficient results within hospital cleaning? There are certain health authorities that are dogmatically against the outsourcing of cleaning services by the NHS. But NHS Scotland, which has a near complete ban on contract cleaning services, consistently scores worse on MRSA blood infection rates when compared with the health authorities amongst England (which has a mixture of contract and in-house cleaning).

    Although hospital acquired infections (HAIs) fell by a third in the UK in 2008 in the wake of the government-ordered ‘deep clean’, they are almost impossible to eliminate completely, with facilities specialising in vulnerable patients and invasive care posing a greater risk to patients. And even though the stringent guidance issued by NHS Estates to manage the risk of HAIs applies to private contractors and in-house cleaners alike, the case specific nature of the issue means that we will always witness disparate results.

    For every trust that has been deemed to be underperforming, there are many examples of excellent performance over a sustained period; NHS trusts in Royal Marsden and Poole have both seen their cleaning contractors rated excellently in independent appraisals.

    Susan Anderson, director of Public Services at the CBI, said: “Independent polling consistently shows that a clear majority of the public do not mind who provides NHS services as long as they are high quality. We need competition between providers of all sectors – the public, private and voluntary – now because they are the best tools the NHS has to improve the value and quality of our health service.”

    Ironically, the Mid Staffordshire enquiry concluded that the trust had provided substandard levels in order to hit government targets in order to achieve foundation status, which would allow it greater autonomy from the Department of Health. The major legacy of the failings outlined by the CQC will be greater monitoring across all NHS trusts. The Care Quality Commission said Mid Staffs was now safe to provide hospital services, but confirmed that it intended to place conditions on its registrations to ensure standards were met.

    Steve Wright, Chairman of the British Cleaning Council, commented on the CQC’s report: “This example has uncovered a fundamental failure by the hospital to ensure patients received the standard of cleanliness and hygiene they need. While this was ultimately a local failure, it is vital that steps are taken to ensure that it is not allowed to happen again. Although the events were unacceptable, they do not reflect the efforts of the thousands of cleaners who work in the healthcare sector and serve with dedication and professionalism as they strive to reduce hospital acquired infections.”

    Underinvestment
    Whatever their motivation, the real problem is underinvestment in cleaning, and the consequences of constant pressure on health authorities and NHS Trusts to achieve better efficiencies. Although the major political parties have recently offered reassuring commitments that they will protect frontline services in the NHS if they are elected, there is never much mention of ancillary staff. If, as expected, trust managers are forced to reduce their expenditure after the 2010 budget, the Mid Staffs example indicates that the consequences of this could be very serious indeed.

    NHS hospitals should be equipped so that they can take every available measure to ensure that the threat of MRSA is contained. This means making the resources available to tackle the problem effectively, alongside stringent safeguards to ensure that they are implemented and maintained. The British Cleaning Council, which represents the interests of the cleaning industry, strongly recommends that cleaning in hospitals is protected by both budgets and political action, to ensure that the seemingly avoidable loss of life in Staffordshire is never repeated again.
    I'll pick out the pertinent parts:

    But NHS Scotland, which has a near complete ban on contract cleaning services, consistently scores worse on MRSA blood infection rates when compared with the health authorities amongst England (which has a mixture of contract and in-house cleaning).

    it concluded that the hospitals routine cut-backs on cleaning were likely to have been a factor. It linked the poor hygiene standards on the wards where patients contracted C. difficile infection, to an ingrained culture where patients were routinely supplied with insufficient care.

    Although hospital acquired infections (HAIs) fell by a third in the UK in 2008 in the wake of the government-ordered ‘deep clean’ Hugely supplemented by contracted staff.

    For every trust that has been deemed to be underperforming, there are many examples of excellent performance over a sustained period; NHS trusts in Royal Marsden and Poole have both seen their cleaning contractors rated excellently in independent appraisals.

    Whatever their motivation, the real problem is underinvestment in cleaning,

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    Oh and private hospitals are full of ...the ones with the best records for infection rates you mean.

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    Oh and private hospitals are full of ...the ones with the best records for infection rates you mean.

    Full of it..as in they lie. They claim to have the best rates.. the chances of that being true however? 50/50. Anyone who trust claims made by a corporation is naive at best, a fool at worst.
    If I could figure out a way to get corporations out of everything except entertainment, I would be ecstatic.

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