Corpses having collision?

**Lockcaps** · July 14, 2012, 03:40 PM

Hi. With the heavily modified engine and a new graphics engine, do you think we are going to see bodies having collision after they have died(this sounded really stupid)? We've never had it in TW before and it would be really cool - imagine your soldiers having to climb over piles of dead/wounded, or a soldier getting hit with an arrow while standing in a tight formation, falling on one of the soldiers behind him and keep getting pushed forward, acting like a sort of meatshield for arrows!

**Rasic** · July 14, 2012, 03:47 PM

You aren't going to hold up a full grown man in armor as a "meat shield" while still holding your weapons and fighting, you just step over him. even in RTW the guys went around big corpses like the elephants, but stepping over guys is just added work for animations.

**~~removeduser_4536284751384~~** · July 14, 2012, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Rasic

You aren't going to hold up a full grown man in armor as a "meat shield" while still holding your weapons and fighting, you just step over him. even in RTW the guys went around big corpses like the elephants, but stepping over guys is just added work for animations.

In a tight pike phalanx you may not have to hold him up. You and your comrades pressing around him may keep him propped up. Of course this is considerably less likely in looser formations that non-pike units use.

Originally Posted by flonky

Well min system requirements usually entail bodies disappearing after they have fallen, if I am not mistake? So surely this feature could be in the game for people able to exceed the min specs, though I doubt it. Such additional animations of dudes stepping over bodies would be insanely complicated, though if units moved slower when crossing bodies and could slip over in the blood and gore and stuff, then that would be cool.

TW games have always had persistent corpses, it's just a matter of making the solid, which admittedly is quite a big of processing power, but it would be cool if it was squeezed in.

**Rasic** · July 14, 2012, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by irelandeb

In a tight pike phalanx you may not have to hold him up. You and your comrades pressing around him may keep him propped up. Of course this is considerably less likely in looser formations that non-pike units use.

Oh, sort of like "weekend at bernies". No man, if he takes a spear to the face it's lights out, he goes limp. With a pike in one hand and a shield in the other you aren't holding up a lifeless body while advancing a formation. They fall and you step over them. With a nasty wound it's possible he could keep with the formation at least somewhat by being pushed along, as where is he really going to go unless being trampled by the guys behind him.

**~~removeduser_4536284751384~~** · July 14, 2012, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Rasic

Oh, sort of like "weekend at bernies". No man, if he takes a spear to the face it's lights out, he goes limp. With a pike in one hand and a shield in the other you aren't holding up a lifeless body while advancing a formation. They fall and you step over them. With a nasty wound it's possible he could keep with the formation at least somewhat by being pushed along, as where is he really going to go unless being trampled by the guys behind him.

I'm not saying anyone would hold him up, I'm speculating he might not fall over when dead because the formation is so dense.

**Drowsy** · July 14, 2012, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by Lockcaps

Hi. With the heavily modified engine and a new graphics engine, do you think we are going to see bodies having collision after they have died(this sounded really stupid)? We've never had it in TW before and it would be really cool - imagine your soldiers having to climb over piles of dead/wounded, or a soldier getting hit with an arrow while standing in a tight formation, falling on one of the soldiers behind him and keep getting pushed forward, acting like a sort of meatshield for arrows!

Freaking awesome!

Though suppose that's gonna stress the hardware or effect performance on the average pc or some thing the like.

**johnny_b_good** · July 14, 2012, 04:01 PM

But CA said that they wont move min system req from Shogun 2.

**King Of Toast** · July 15, 2012, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by johnny_b_good

But CA said that they wont move min system req from Shogun 2.

That good be a very good thing. Or it could be a very bad thing

**Adufka** · July 14, 2012, 04:16 PM

Sounds good,real....but I'm not sure if CA can do everything so real...maybe they will surprise us

**Greve Af Göteborg** · July 14, 2012, 04:16 PM

Not worth the extra stress. Currently the cpu optimization is ugly, so adding this would be a terrible idea.

**Savoyard** · July 14, 2012, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by Greve Af Göteborg

Not worth the extra stress. Currently the cpu optimization is ugly, so adding this would be a terrible idea.

I have to agree. The Cpu is stressed as it is.

**flonky** · July 14, 2012, 04:17 PM

Well min system requirements usually entail bodies disappearing after they have fallen, if I am not mistake? So surely this feature could be in the game for people able to exceed the min specs, though I doubt it. Such additional animations of dudes stepping over bodies would be insanely complicated, though if units moved slower when crossing bodies and could slip over in the blood and gore and stuff, then that would be cool.

**Paedric** · July 14, 2012, 05:34 PM

A huge issue with this, apart from performance, would be unit pathfinding.

Otherwise it would be cool.

**General Sultan V** · July 14, 2012, 08:40 PM

I Can imagine 3D Animations of a dude flying out of a tight phalanx fight or dead bodies hanging on legionary shields, LOL

**Wowwars** · July 14, 2012, 08:51 PM

Would be sexy, and terrifying

**88HaZZarD88** · July 14, 2012, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by Lockcaps

Hi. With the heavily modified engine and a new graphics engine, do you think we are going to see bodies having collision after they have died(this sounded really stupid)? We've never had it in TW before and it would be really cool - imagine your soldiers having to climb over piles of dead/wounded, or a soldier getting hit with an arrow while standing in a tight formation, falling on one of the soldiers behind him and keep getting pushed forward, acting like a sort of meatshield for arrows!

wuold be amazing to have a sort of phisic like this

**Timefool** · July 14, 2012, 11:31 PM

Yeah and we should be able to build a human wall like in 300.

In all seriousness, this would make stalemate battles difficult because you would eventually form a small wall of corpses where the two armies meet. I'm not positive how it was actually dealt with but I think that there were pauses in the battle for troops to clear the dead bodies and carry off the wounded, kind of like the Red Cross today.