Bug or confusion? I captured a Free Romans' Eagle?

[moredrowsy]

I'm playing as Rome and when I defeated a free Roman army (those blue dudes), it says I captured "An Eagle of Rome." Sure, I can capture another Roman's eagle but well obviously, I can not capture my own eagle since I am Rome itself. So is this a mistake in version 2.5?

[ExtremeBG]

I believe this is because you are Rome,but "those blue dudes" are romans too,they are just some rebelled ones ,so you are still fighting "roman legion" and therefor you can capture an eagle.I may be mistaken so if someone knows better ,please do tell.

[moredrowsy]

Did you read my entire post or just the first sentence? I dunno why you just repeated what I just said in the OP. Yes, I already said I can capture another Roman's eagle since they are Free Romans but I should not be able to capture an eagle of "Rome" from rebelled Romans. The emphasis is the word Rome (as in the faction/city). The wording is off. Maybe it should be changed to "A Roman Eagle" for capturing from a rebel/free Romans.

Also, this is not the second rebellion. It's just a free Roman army that got powerful from Emporiae. For example, the phrase "An Eagle of Rome" would be appropriate if I was playing as Carthage or Arverni and had actually destroyed a Roman legion from the faction Rome itself. However, that phrase just doesn't make sense when applied to free/rebel Romans (at least before the second rebellion). I mean, these rebel stacks weren't even recruited from Rome but originally from a rebelled Emporiae 60 years ago.

[Lt.Speirs]

Did you read my entire post or just the first sentence? I dunno why you just repeated what I just said in the OP. Yes, I already said I can capture another Roman's eagle since they are Free Romans but I should not be able to capture an eagle of "Rome" from rebelled Romans. The emphasis is the word Rome (as in the faction/city). The wording is off. Maybe it should be changed to "A Roman Eagle" for capturing from a rebel/free Romans.

Also, this is not the second rebellion. It's just a free Roman army that got powerful from Emporiae. For example, the phrase "An Eagle of Rome" would be appropriate if I was playing as Carthage or Arverni and had actually destroyed a Roman legion from the faction Rome itself. However, that phrase just doesn't make sense when applied to free/rebel Romans (at least before the second rebellion). I mean, these rebel stacks weren't even recruited from Rome but originally from a rebelled Emporiae 60 years ago.

I see what you mean. Theres indeed a difference between "an eagle of rome" and " a roman eagle".
Just consider it to be just a legions eagle, and not like you have stolen an eagle from your own capital city's name

[ExtremeBG]

Well i actually don't see much of a difference between the "an eagle of rome" and "a roman eagle" if you consider your faction's name to be Rome.In this case both phrases mean basically the same thing - an eagle of the faction "Rome".So when you captured the eagle it is still an eagle of rome even though you took it from rebels.Therefore i see no problem with "An eagle of Rome".At least that is the way i understand the situation and i may be mistaken because i don't live in an english speaking country and it's my second language .If that is the case ,please someone explain it better

[ur-Lord Tedric]

1 - They're Rebels - they are Roman Rebels - they are Roman...

2 - They have a 1st Cohort in their army - you defeat them - you capture the Eagle...

1 + 2 = 3 - you have captured a Roman Eagle.

Happened now and again in the Civil Wars - much praise for said soldier(s).

Quite possibly helped Octavian/Augustus decide which 27 legions to keep - those that fought well got amalgamated, those that lost Eagles suffered dishonour and got disbanded.

[sadlogic]

1 - They're Rebels - they are Roman Rebels - they are Roman...

I have to disagree with you here. He is talking about the Socii Rebellion, which means most of them are not people of Rome.
Anyway i dont htink capturing an Eagle of Rome from roman rebels is appropriate as an Eagle of Rome was a symbol of Rome, so why would those who rebelled against Rome keep it?

[naq]

There is only one Roman rebel faction in the mod so there is no specific rebellion as Socii Rebellion or any civil war faction, just "rebels".
In this case, maybe they are not rebelled against Rome, just rebelled against the player (you). Or they may consider you are the rebel instead. (remember Julius Caesar first was a rebel to Pompeius (Rome), then became the ruler of Rome. Supporters of Pompeius became rebels then.)

[First Citizen Gallienus]

There is only one Roman rebel faction in the mod so there is no specific rebellion as Socii Rebellion or any civil war faction, just "rebels".
In this case, maybe they are not rebelled against Rome, just rebelled against the player (you). Or they may consider you are the rebel instead. (remember Julius Caesar first was a rebel to Pompeius (Rome), then became the ruler of Rome. Supporters of Pompeius became rebels then.)

What Naq said, the game doesn't distinguish between the two so I wouldn't necessarily equate it to being a bug. Did said army actually have an eagle with them? If so, well then there you go.

[ur-Lord Tedric]

I have to disagree with you here. He is talking about the Socii Rebellion, which means most of them are not people of Rome.
Anyway i dont htink capturing an Eagle of Rome from roman rebels is appropriate as an Eagle of Rome was a symbol of Rome, so why would those who rebelled against Rome keep it?

Nice - whilst you are correct in your statement, I must admit I wasn't thinking of the 1st Rebellion; mainly because there are no Eagles to capture - the legions didn't have them then.

Post-Reforms (when the Eagles appear as the symbols of the permanent legions) any subsequent rebellion, up to and including the '2nd Rebellion' - they are Romans.

Any and all of the Civil Wars involved legions that rebelled or were raised (complete with eagles) by the rebelling 'Generals' like VII Galbiana/Hispana (in game as VII Gemina, but with its earlier name) or I Adiutrix (in game) as they were adopted by Vespasian, as well as those like I Germanica (in) that was disbanded in disgrace, or V Alaudae (in) & XV Primigenia (out) who were destroyed - all those 3 having supported Vitellius.

[moredrowsy]

I do have post marian legions but my situation isn't anywhere near the second rebellion. I only hold Italy, and 4 settlements near Carthage and those rebel armies were not even raised from Rome. I do believe what you say about the rebellion from Ceaser and etc is true. However, those legions were originally from Rome no? Hence they carry the Eagle of Rome. But those rebel armies in RS2 were from pre-marian legions (they're still allied cohorts and republican cohorts. So therefore, those legion should not even have an Eagle. But if RS2 can't distinguish it, I guess that's fine. It's just the wording is very off.

Also @ExtremeBG, there is a noticeable different meaning from "An Eagle of Rome" and "A Roman Eagle." The first one means that the army's standard represents the city Rome. The second one means that the army's standard came from a type of people (a roman people). By "type of people," it means people (such as any latins) who have/had roman citizenship but doesn't necessarily mean they were from the Rome. Analogous would be you had captured a "A Flag of Berlin" or "A German flag." So a German flag would mean that you had defeated German army that could have been from Austria etc but you had not captured am army belonging to Berlin (an german army from the city Berlin).

[naq]

Maybe because all eagles came from Rome?

[ur-Lord Tedric]

Maybe because all eagles came from Rome?

This is, in fact, the correct answer. All the physical Eagles, touched by the Emperor in later times, came from Roma itself.

I must admit, I am surprised that an Eagle was captured from a pre-Marian force if there was no 1st Cohort and will look into it.

[century x]

I must admit, I am surprised that an Eagle was captured from a pre-Marian force if there was no 1st Cohort and will look into it.

Sounds like a tiny bug

[moredrowsy]

How can they be from Rome if they armies were levied in Emporiae? Roman Eagle doesn't necessarily mean it's from Rome but a standard carried by romans (or people that were granted roman citizenships)

[naq]

You must understand the importance of Rome in ancient Roman mind. There would be no Roman Empire without Rome.
So it's natural if they want to say their eagle is a sacred eagle from the Eternal Marble City of Seven Hills although it was made in China or somewhere.