Faction - Zora Dominion

[Drachenfan]

I shouldn´t write when it is so late.
But aren´t they practically the same like the infiltrators? just more mumerous and lower stats?

[Avatar of the Ice Wolf]

From a practical standpoint, I don't think forearm blades would be the best weapons to be used against the Zora's rivals, the Gorons. Though Mikau/Zora Link was a great martial artist, and this gives credence to martial arts based units for the Zora, can run-of-the-mill soldiers actually be expected to do anything to Gorons with that style? They would be within grappling range for a Goron at that point. A rapier would give them a bit more range manipulation. Of course, this is just lore and speculation, as I don't see this transferring to combat all that much. I don't think ME II would take such things into account during the fights. Now, I would be more for a professional and well trained martial arts unit, but for what we are going for, light infantry used as mainline infantry and policing unit, I would say a rapier, foil, or epee would be much more practical. This is especially so when the HTW history of Zora are concerned. From MM lore though, Zora martial artists would seem like a great fit.

For clarification, I am using "martial arts" in this post to denote forearm finblades and the kicks Zora Link used in MM.

@Drachenfan

Infiltrators are scout units at this point. If there is a way for them to scale walls, I believe they would be given that ability as well. What infiltrators do is use their stats to ambush an enemy general and assassinate him. All the while, they have the ability to hide and can move at great speeds. What we are talking about does not come close to being an infiltrator clone with more numbers and stats. They will not even have the speed or hiding abilities of infiltrators.

[Duke Serkol]

I don't think forearm blades would be the best weapons to be used against the Zora's rivals, the Gorons. Though Mikau/Zora Link was a great martial artist, and this gives credence to martial arts based units for the Zora, can run-of-the-mill soldiers actually be expected to do anything to Gorons with that style?

Good point: we need two new units

[Drachenfan]

While I prefer the rapier units over the martial arts, I can perfectly live with having both as long as they do their job.
But what they really need is a unit that have at least a chance to hod against the higher Goron units.
e.g. once (version 2) I attacked one unit goron rams with one unit infiltrators and one unit shock troopers: 100% losses and three kills(all by the infiltrators) and Darunia and his bodyguard alone killed about 1/3 of my (fullstack)Army.
While I agree, that gorons should be much stronger the zoras only way defeating them in a siege is swarming and havy losses.

[Eldren]

I'm in favor of a unit that has a rapier and 1 finblade. give them reach, and keeps to there style.

@Drachenfan

While I prefer the rapier units over the martial arts, I can perfectly live with having both as long as they do their job.
But what they really need is a unit that have at least a chance to hod against the higher Goron units.
e.g. once (version 2) I attacked one unit goron rams with one unit infiltrators and one unit shock troopers: 100% losses and three kills(all by the infiltrators) and Darunia and his bodyguard alone killed about 1/3 of my (fullstack)Army.
While I agree, that gorons should be much stronger the zoras only way defeating them in a siege is swarming and havey losses.

I think your playing them wrong. I would never try to over whelm the Gorons as the Zora domain. I would set up cross fire opportunity. send a group of infantry and blast the Gorons with Mages, Sapphire Wardens, and a nice line up of Mage Cannons to annihilate. way less casualties

I've seen Zora Mages destroy Artillery and fry armored units. that's the way to go in my opinion.

[Drachenfan]

Yes, in the open I slaughter them, but siege battles between the two are pretty one-sieded as long as you dontg get a good position or ruby guard charges you.
These are even for sapphire wardens nearly invincibel.

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@Drachenfan

Siege battles are very easy if you have a Mage Spire. A few mages in a crossfire also do very well.

[UndyingNephalim]

Kung Fu Martial Arts

Good luck pulling off a super graceful kung fu style flip kick on a fully armored Iron-clad elite.

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@UndyingNephalim

Any consideration for the rapier light infantry then?

[UndyingNephalim]

@UndyingNephalim

Any consideration for the rapier light infantry then?

Rapiers seem more like a Labrynna thing to me.

[Avatar of the Ice Wolf]

Rapiers seem more like a Labrynna thing to me.

Really? I thought a rapier would be more at home in the Zora Dominion. It is a graceful style and could very well embody Zora ideals. I can fully list my reasons for believing these units should be included (only reason I am not right now is because I am posting from my phone). If you still feel that rapiers are more of a Labrynna thing, perhaps an epee or foil would be more to your liking?

[Eldren]

I personally like this idea.
I'm in favor of a unit that dual wields a rapier and a finblade. as a martial arts style. the unit would be cheap and numerous, because it's a wide spread sport.

[Eldren]

both of these can be used under water easily. and duals are common on land as well as under the surface.

[Xebenkeck]

Well if you want to somewhat keep that spearman style, but not actually be spears then how about something like a Bo staff. Or a hand spear(which are basically spear heads).

Or for more "exotic" weapons maybe something like Tonfas, Double ended axes, Twin hooks, Sceptres.

[Emrys]

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[Duke Serkol]

Good luck pulling off a super graceful kung fu style flip kick on a fully armored Iron-clad elite.

I'm pretty sure it's possible to fight Iron Knuckles with it... but yeah, they don't have to be effective against everybody. They could well be crap against heavily armored units.

Rapiers seem more like a Labrynna thing to me.

Mh, yeah I do see your point.
Maybe a combination of Xebenkeck's earlier ideas of martial arts and coral daggers ?

a hand spear(which are basically spear heads).

Twin hooks

Got any pictures to illustrate these? They sound promising.

EDIT:
Ah these things

I could see that working (I had initially thought you meant something like big fishing hooks at the ends of a staff *lol*)

I'll let you find a good image for the hand spear because I tried googling it but didn't find very satisfactory results.

[Mattwensley]

Those twin hooks look like keyblades!

[Xebenkeck]

This is a hand spear. Its like its described, it's a very short spear that you hold for hand-tohand combat. Aboriginals are the peopple who used these most.

[nintendo64isking]

i would say that the design of a new infantry unit shouldnt necessarily involve coral, thats more lanayru territory

[Duke Serkol]

This is a hand spear. Its like its described, it's a very short spear that you hold for hand-tohand combat.

I like it, though the staff could use five more centimeters I think.

i would say that the design of a new infantry unit shouldnt necessarily involve coral, thats more lanayru territory

Are you certain of that? I thought it was the other way around.