Faction - Gerudo

[GoldenGohma]

Oh wait, you seem to have forgotten Golden Knuckles-the iron knuckle officer.

[Xebenkeck]

Why oh why did you get rid of the iron knuckles ability to run? ;(

[Duke Serkol]

Okay, so I decided I would look for artworks of a certain concept that I felt could prove useful to us. I went to google images and performed the following searches:

ganondorf ancestor
ganondorf ancestor fanart
"ganondorf's ancestor"
"ancestor of ganondorf"
"past gerudo king"
"previous gerudo king"
"gerudo king of the past"
male gerudo


NOTHING

WTF fanbase?

[Coffeemancer]

Okay, so I decided I would look for artworks of a certain concept that I felt could prove useful to us. I went to google images and performed the following searches:

ganondorf ancestor
ganondorf ancestor fanart
"ganondorf's ancestor"
"ancestor of ganondorf"
"past gerudo king"
"previous gerudo king"
"gerudo king of the past"
male gerudo


NOTHING

WTF fanbase?

Fair point.
I am a bit of a drawer meself, and since I rather fancy the Gerudo I reckon I should have a go at this.

[lakota]

I'm sorry I have to ask, is there a way to unlock the latter elite units?

Some event maybe?

[Mahat]

Hi everyone, I discovered this mod a few days ago, and ended up liking it so much that it made me create an account on those forums just so I could say it was awesome. So, here you go : it’s awesome.


And, as I played two campaigns so far (Darknuts and Gerudos), I thought I would give my impressions on them… So, let’s start with the Gerudos. While the faction gave off a really nice feel (that moment I heard the theme song play for the first time… priceless), it also turned up really hard to play. In the end, I concluded the Gerudos on the campaign game were lacking in some aspects:


- They have a hard time taking cities and castles. Archers have much less effect when attacking walls than when fighting on open field, and the only close combat infantry unit you have access to for most of the games are marauders... A quite low-tier, frail infantry unit. As a result, I tended to take heavy loss evrytime I attacked a city. Catapults changed nothing (it only displaced the fight from the wall to the streets), and the "waiting for them to starve and shoot them when they try to get out" strategy, while working marvels, means leaving a whole army waiting for 6-8 turns, which is hardly a strategically appealing decision. In my opinion, giving the player the option to recruit Bronze Knuckles in medium barracks would help things a lot. You start with only one city in position to build those, so they would still be an elite unit, and they would act as a nice support for the marauders when you need that extra punch.


- Their leaders are way too easy to kill in combat. I mean, I know my lore: Gerudos are supposed to be adepts at both the bow and the horse. So why is it that my generals, supposedly the best of their kin, are fighting on foot, and in close quarters ?! And to add insult to injury, their personnal guards are those dreaded marauders I was talking about earlier… Not that nabooru’s personnal guard is much better: a light, infiltration unit… That can’t hide because it’s lead by your general. In my opinion, your generals, being gerudos, should go to battle on horseback, with an escort of mounted marauders. Not a terribly powerfull unit, but certainly a strategic advantage, and a way to save their life more often by simply ordering them to run away if things get difficult. Of course, you could also leave them on foot and give them bronze knuckles as a personnal guard or something.


- On a lesser notice, I was a bit disappointed to constate my archers, both mounted and on foot, are absolutely incapable of defending themselves in close quarters. While I can guess it has been done that way for the sake of balance, I found it a bit strange considering that whole “tough desert people” lore.


So, yeah, to summarise things: while I found the lack of almost everything in the Darknut armies perfectly manageable, the sole lack of a competent contact infantry in the Gerudo armies really proved to be a problem. That’s probably because that game still revolves a lot around sieges, or something like that.

As a whole, I had a much harder time thriving in the Gerudo campaign than in the Darknuts one. That may or may not also have something to do with the starting position and ressources: the Gerudo have four potential ennemies surrounding them from the start (one of them being Hyrule, it’s big castle and it’s no less big siege weapons), very little natural defenses (the mountain range to the north with it’s easy to defend pass, and that’s it… almost no rivers, no seas, nothing), and quite poor settlements (once you’ve seen the capital, you’ve seen all the vaguely interesting starting cities).


Few... That ended up longer than I thought. My apologizes for the wall of text. I also hope that everything was comprehensible: english isn't my native language.

[Mattwensley]

General's units are now the most basic melee unit available, from my experience (although others have told me that they get high class General units). Before the most recent update, they were the most powerful. I think too many people were able to crush large entire early armies with one general's bodyguard (I know I was - Ordona Goat Lords!). Limiting this is why your generals currently run around with Marauders.

[Mahat]

Oh, didn't know about that. Thanks for the info.

But what about the Darknuts and their escort of msters then ? They even spawn with a second one ! (Not that it's a problem. In fact, it would be silly to see them leading anything less... If there is a silly-looking one in this story, like I said, it's the gerudo general fighting on foot, leading one of the weakest units of the army.)

[GoldenGohma]

Oh, didn't know about that. Thanks for the info.

But what about the Darknuts and their escort of msters then ? They even spawn with a second one ! (Not that it's a problem. In fact, it would be silly to see them leading anything less... If there is a silly-looking one in this story, like I said, it's the gerudo general fighting on foot, leading one of the weakest units of the army.)

To be honest it was all just a quick fix until UndyingNephalim figures out what unit makes a balanced general for each army.

Some factions were easier picks than others, such as Darknuts using Masters and Gohma using Queens. On the other hand, not all armies have their rosters filled out yet or rebalanced-especially when you compare the first 6 factions (Hyrule, Gerudo, Zora, Gorons, Kokiri, Gohma) to later factions. The first few factions were balanced around each other while the later factions were sorta balanced around them in a sense. With every additional faction you have large change in the balance of everything-every little addition has greater and greater effects with the growing size of the mod.

[Mattwensley]

Hmmm... Not sure about that. The named character generals have their own bodyguards, and can be higher than normal, up to the top tier, but I think for Darknut that is Zalunbar with Legendaries. I can't help you there, I'm afraid, as I haven't got much experience with Darknut.

Also, your English is fine - better than many others I've seen who have English as a first language !

Ninja'd!

[Aquos4]

*le sending company of bronze knuckles to go fight some hylian soldiers*
Me: Oh here it comes!
my mind speaking for the soldiers. Tyeh, TYEH! *imitating the grunt of the iron knuckles as they swing their ax*
I think i might actually have a h/h campaign as them (seeing as I'm new to M2TW, i have yet to play anything about m/m difficulty)

[Coffeemancer]

Tally ho, gents. Here's a little something I doodled during AI turns while playing.
Just me take on some long dead Gerudo king.

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[Duke Serkol]

Not bad, not bad... I especially like the clothing. If it's still a work in progress and open to suggestions, I would only change the head a bit. Give him something to make him look more different from Ganondorf and a haircut that's a little less "medieval asia".
Possibly have the chainmail cut a little higher to allow better leg movement.

I'm not really sure about the name though. Darugor? Darunia-the-Goron?

[Coffeemancer]

Not bad, not bad... I especially like the clothing. If it's still a work in progress and open to suggestions, I would only change the head a bit. Give him something to make him look more different from Ganondorf and a haircut that's a little less "medieval asia".
Possibly have the chainmail cut a little higher to allow better leg movement.

I'm not really sure about the name though. Darugor? Darunia-the-Goron?

We have only ever heard one Male gerudo name in the games so I didn't really have a frame of reference.
As for the hair, I took inspiration direclty from the games
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__...a_of_Time).png
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs39/f/20...der_Marvin.jpg
http://www.zeldadungeon.net/wp-conte...udoLooking.png
Gerudos have a few asian inspirations, like their polearms. They look quite a bit like a Korean Woldo.
http://external.ak.fbcdn.net/safe_im...4gi-weoldo.jpg
and they got that hairpin thing going.

As for the chain, I took that from the iron knuckles http://i.imgur.com/lQoOM7H.png

Alas, there are no re-do's possible, as I drew it with ink.
Sorry for all the links, but once I get started I just don't shut up, haha.

[Duke Serkol]

Hehe, don't worry, you've used them well to make a good counterargument ^_^

[Coffeemancer]

Afternoon, gents. I am back, with a doodle.
And I most certainly would classify this as a doodle. it is not pretty, but I think it communicates my ideas well enough.

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I was just wondering to myself as I was playing "How would Gerudo spear-soldiers look like? And how would I upgrade their armour? what shields would they have?" et cetera.
So I drew three Gerudo warriors showing the upgrades. Though the shields are more just to try different shapes and materials.
Tier 1: Battle-vizor, soft leather (no armour), basic spear and wicker shield
Tier 2: Metal helmet, boiled leather, spear with wings and wooden shield
Tier 3: Helmet with chain veil, metal plated leather, ranseur and shield with quilting.

[Eldren]

For a doodle. They look well made.

[Duke Serkol]

Nice "upgrade scale".

[Coffeemancer]

Just noticed how horribly unbalanced the, ahem, bosoms are.
Oh well, I'll do better next time. See, I took a look at the map and started thinking about all that ocean....
Pirates, anyone?

[Coffeemancer]

What ho?
I have been at it again, first doodling up some fine vessels and then the scurvy dogs sailing them.

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