Changes & Minor Re-structure

[Pontifex Maximus]

Nota Bene: The changes cannot possibly make everyone happy. Luckily at the moment I have the luxury of being completely unbiased in terms of gameplay, so I hope these changes will be considered if nothing else fair by everyone. This is a compromise to fix problems.

I'm still working but I think if I don't come back and help out now TRS simply won't be around when I'll be back to full tilt, so this is happening now rather than later. Right now I'm still in the planning stages (this thread being mostly for community brainstorming and hammering out ideas and strategies we can all more or less agree on) for these changes, but within the next three weeks I want to put these into effect.

Problem: The current borders surpass what is reasonably healthy for the game. Conquest has been too easy and the frontiers are not only at an a-historical level, but at current rates of conquest we simply won't have many interesting enemies left to face in the future. We also have a ridiculous amount of legions.

Solution: The current Mauretanian and Dacian wars are going to become incredibly hard, resulting in Roman defeats. I am unhappy to 'spoil' the ending, but unfortunately I think a more god-mode approach is necessary to correct this problem and I don't want there to be any illusions about that. Legions and territory will be lost. To soften this blow to individuals, I am going to highly discourage activity such as bringing generals/consuls/proconsuls to trial for mismanagement, and from a moderation standpoint I will not be deducting any legion/pleb/patrician points for any of the results of the Dacian or Mauretanian wars.

Problem: We have too many legions

Solution: Legions raised and funded by the public treasury (Paid for with public funds by any body) will cost 50,000 Denarii and upkeep will be 10,000 Denarii. Private Legions will cost 30,000 and will have an upkeep of 5,000.

This has increased upkeep by a factor of ten across the board.

Problem: Incredible state income

Solution: Poorly administered provinces (unoccupied Pro-Consulates, regions with inactive governors) will receive a tax penalty anywhere from 1-25% based on rolls and possible modifiers.

Problem: Both maps need updating (but not immediately!). I also need the most recent copy of the state economic spreadsheet.

Solution: Help me.

[Lucius Malfoy]

Looks like we got a good amount of work on our hands! Sad that spoilers were made about the Maurentanian and Pontic wars...

Glad to have you back to make things dynamic and interesting, Ponti.

[Celsius]

Sounds all good to me.

[M D]

Sounds good

[Okmin]

Problem: Both maps need updating (but not immediately!). I also need the most recent copy of the state economic spreadsheet.

Solution: Help me.

I have all three of those things

[Rhapture]

Problem: The current borders surpass what is reasonably healthy for the game. Conquest has been too easy and the frontiers are not only at an a-historical level, but at current rates of conquest we simply won't have many interesting enemies left to face in the future. We also have a ridiculous amount of legions.

While conquest I agree has been too easy. Historically they are not too far off. We actually control less in Asia minor than Rome has up to this point, even if most was protectorates historically. Macedonia is mostly accurate. Gaul too. Cyprus is Egpyt's
Numidia had been won before our game had started and I believe Maurantania was a client kingdom, so that most of northern Africa was pretty much what we have now.

Spain was mostly under roman control although Quintus Sertorius kind of controlled it until he was defeated.

So we are not far off at all, the battles have just been too easy as we have always outnumbered the enemy, except rarely. So if you want to make them harder, that is welcome, if they rolls lead to a Roman victory, we should still allow it to happen. We do not have to outright win every territory an opposing force has also.. a couple stale mate battles and Rome takes a territory can be enough to get a peace treaty.

[Pontifex Maximus]

While conquest I agree has been too easy. Historically they are not too far off.

Controlling almost all of Dacia is very, very far off.

[Rhapture]

Controlling almost all of Dacia is very, very far off.

No treaty has been signed to control Dacia or even ally with them. Aquilia is acting totally on his own with no authority to do any such thing. He has imperium to defend the Thracian provinces only. And the way it happened had nothing to do with conquering them. Somehow all of Dacia is threatened and they come up with only 30,000 troops - that is where the problem lay.

[Lucius Malfoy]

No treaty has been signed to control Dacia or even ally with them. Aquilia is acting totally on his own with no authority to do any such thing. He has imperium to defend the Thracian provinces only. And the way it happened had nothing to do with conquering them. Somehow all of Dacia is threatened and they come up with only 30,000 troops - that is where the problem lay.

That will be changed soon. We have an idea involving Dacia. Dacia will not become a full province of Rome...in fact, Aquila will defeat the Scythians, but then the King of the Dacians will die and revolts will begin to spring up. And the Scythians will return. Aquila will fight a few of them, only achieving Pyrrhic Victories before he has to strategical withdraw after making peace with Dacia and possibly Scythia. Oh and he won't get the Dacicus title.

[Okmin]

No treaty has been signed to control Dacia or even ally with them. Aquilia is acting totally on his own with no authority to do any such thing. He has imperium to defend the Thracian provinces only. And the way it happened had nothing to do with conquering them. Somehow all of Dacia is threatened and they come up with only 30,000 troops - that is where the problem lay.

There's actually 50,000 Dacians. And yes, everything I'm doing is totally unauthorized and I am aware of that

[General Brewster]

Wasn't it Trajan who took Dacia ?
Besides that I thought you where going to kill the game but for once I applaud you.

[Celsius]

It was. So we are about 250 years off target.

[Pontifex Maximus]

Legion cost and upkeep changes are being added now, so be sure to take a look before the end of 83 so your legions don't start deserting for lack of pay!

[General Brewster]

Legion limit removed also ?

[Pontifex Maximus]

Yep. Couldn't find anything about it in the rules though

[General Brewster]

It's in the laws of the republic threat.

Sticky in the Forum.

[Pontifex Maximus]

Oh its a law that was passed? That changes everything

[Rhapture]

Oh its a law that was passed? That changes everything

no, there was no law passed. only a rule stated in OOC

[General Brewster]

Thought Okmin passes it when he was dictator.

[Okmin]

Thought Okmin passes it when he was dictator.

I didn't.