THP's Unit Balance thread

[PaulH]

It will be incorporated for sure. Having another person handle balancing units while I work on other things is very handy, because I just don't have enough time to do something as time consuming as testing dozens of battles to see how each and every unit stacks up against others. That and with all the modding help THP has provided in the past I trust that his results will be good and not biased against or for any faction.

Awesome

[Duke Serkol]

Armor piercing slingshot ammo?

[PaulH]

Armor piercing slingshot ammo?

One of those shots could sink a Battleship!

@Holy Pilgrim

I'd reckon that they would be marksmen with slingshots, I'd be shocked if they were just proficient.

[Attaxer]

I'd be inclined to agree with Paul on that, that brings up an interesting idea in my head. Why is the Kokiri diet like? Where do they get their food? Do they eat meat? That is kind of dependent on whether or not they are marksmen or just proficient with their slingshots for me. If they have to hunt their food, I could seem them being very skilled with the slingshot, but if not, and without a real standing army I would say they simply use them more for competition or entertainment. You can always be sure that if survival depends on it, it's perfect.

[The Holy Pilgrim]

I'd be inclined to agree with Paul on that, that brings up an interesting idea in my head. Why is the Kokiri diet like? Where do they get their food? Do they eat meat? That is kind of dependent on whether or not they are marksmen or just proficient with their slingshots for me. If they have to hunt their food, I could seem them being very skilled with the slingshot, but if not, and without a real standing army I would say they simply use them more for competition or entertainment. You can always be sure that if survival depends on it, it's perfect.

Are they autotrophs?

@PaulH: Ok, I'll give them a slight bonus with slingshots, then (not to make them OP, but useful).

[Attaxer]

I've never seen one eat, and they are very plantlike. So I dunno. Haha.

[The Holy Pilgrim]

Yet another question:

How strong are Bronze Knuckles compared to Iron Knuckles? And how are Bronze and Iron Knuckles in relation to Darknuts?

[Scar86]

Yet another question:

How strong are Bronze Knuckles compared to Iron Knuckles? And how are Bronze and Iron Knuckles in relation to Darknuts?

Bronze Knuckles are weaker than Iron knuckles, in terms of hp/att/def, but are a bit more numerous.


As they stand right now, an Iron knuckle (in Terms of HP/ATT/DEF) is as strong as the Strongest Darknut unit, the Deity, and is only slightly outmatched by their heroes. They are much stronger than the average darknut, but I think they are only meant to be equal to them.

[The Holy Pilgrim]

Bronze Knuckles are weaker than Iron knuckles, in terms of hp/att/def, but are a bit more numerous.


As they stand right now, an Iron knuckle (in Terms of HP/ATT/DEF) is as strong as the Strongest Darknut unit, the Deity, and is only slightly outmatched by their heroes. They are much stronger than the average darknut, but I think they are only meant to be equal to them.

So, lore-wise, are they above a standard Darknut Initiate or equivalent?

@Neph: You know that I'm always more than happy to help out

[Scar86]

So, lore-wise, are they above a standard Darknut Initiate or equivalent?

@Neph: You know that I'm always more than happy to help out

I would assume they are equal in strength to a dishonored, or a Master. As when I fought Several Darknut Masters in Hyrule Castle in TP, And many many Iron knuckles in OOT and MM, IT felt about the same difficulty in terms of how much damage was dealt, and how hard they we're to kill. According to Nephalim's Lore, Iron Knuckles are The souls of long dead Gerudo Heroes, So One would assume that although the Darknut Master and the Iron Knuckle are equal in Strength and Weaponry, The Iron Knuckle most likley has a great deal more Battlefield Experience.


If anyone is equal in strength to the Initiates, it would most likely be the Bronze Knuckle.

[The Holy Pilgrim]

I would assume they are equal in strength to a dishonored, or a Master. As when I fought Several Darknut Masters in Hyrule Castle in TP, And many many Iron knuckles in OOT and MM, IT felt about the same difficulty in terms of how much damage was dealt, and how hard they we're to kill. According to Nephalim's Lore, Iron Knuckles are The souls of long dead Gerudo Heroes, So One would assume that although the Darknut Master and the Iron Knuckle are equal in Strength and Weaponry, The Iron Knuckle most likley has a great deal more Battlefield Experience.


If anyone is equal in strength to the Initiates, it would most likely be the Bronze Knuckle.

Ah, ok.

Thanks for the info

[Mattwensley]

According to Nephalim's Lore, Iron Knuckles are The souls of long dead Gerudo Heroes

Anyone else getting a 40K Space Marine dreadnought/Wraithlord vibe from that?

[Mjolnr839]

Yet another question:

How strong are Bronze Knuckles compared to Iron Knuckles? And how are Bronze and Iron Knuckles in relation to Darknuts?

Now unless I'm crazy I also saw Golden Knuckles on the to do list at one point. I'd imagine it would be a whole unit of the Gerudo captain leading the Iron Knuckles that well, wears golden armor.

[The Holy Pilgrim]

Not yet.

I was thinking of getting at least the base units for all of the initial factions in the campaign that Neph planned for done first.

Those factions are/were: Hyrule, Gerudo, Goron, Zora, Kokiri, and the Gohma.

I can do the Sheikah afterwards, though

[Scar86]

Not yet.

I was thinking of getting at least the base units for all of the initial factions in the campaign that Neph planned for done first.

Those factions are/were: Hyrule, Gerudo, Goron, Zora, Kokiri, and the Gohma.

I can do the Sheikah afterwards, though

Ok , the Gohma are pretty bad, IT sux cause I actually like them a lot, but I never play as them cause I just can't kill anything without having all level 9 units XD.

[Duke Serkol]

Jesus Christ just what is it we're coming to with these copyright laws...

[DiddlyDark]

Wish I cold see this (disabled in Germany)
ps: like your signature

Aww, that must be horrible, your government restricting your internet and all that nonsense.
Also, thank you.

Jesus Christ just what is it we're coming to with these copyright laws...

Well, Labrynna is already a Tau Expy, (Range focus, horribad in melee, Battlesuits, Pathfinders, ect.) the Darknuts are Spartans/SPESS MEHREENS/Knights, it's not like it could get any worse.

[Drachenfan]

Well, Labrynna is already a Tau Expy, (Range focus, horribad in melee, Battlesuits, Pathfinders, ect.) the Darknuts are Spartans/SPESS MEHREENS/Knights, it's not like it could get any worse.

Do not forget the tyra... eh Gohma

[DiddlyDark]

On the subject of the Gohma, seeing as pretty much every alien bug swarm nowadays rips off the Tyranids, I didn't bother to mention it.

[The Holy Pilgrim]

Ok, I have some good news and some bad news:

Bad News:
For some stupid reason, when I restarted my computer, I lost the EDU with all of my revisions, so I'll have to start from scratch. I had all of Hyrule completed, too

Good News:
Thanks to Neph's faction threads, I'll better be able to determine which units are special, common, etc. I made some "mistakes" according to the threads, so I'll be able to rework them. I mean, not that I wouldn't, it's just now that they'll be revised sooner than before