Characters and concepts from Zelda games that can't be units

[Duke Serkol]

Oh dear, long title.

Several times I've gone through my knowledge of Zelda games to come up with new ideas for this mod. The contribution that most easily would come to mind is incorporating new units or even factions and often times this has worked very well.

However we have by now probably begun scraping the bottom of the barrel (in the other thread martdiamond explicitly said we're out of evident connections to fit stuff within the various factions ranks).

But units are not the only way we can incorporate stuff, right? Just consider the merchants and diplomats.

So here's a thread where we can contribute ideas that would not work as units but might in other ways (I would suggest though, to make a separate thread for objects/items/artefacts so we don't get them all mixed up).

I'll start with something that's been bothering me as of late... in many Zelda games since ALttP (like TP and SS just to name two), we've had Fortune Tellers. Now in a world where reliable fortune telling actually exists, it seems insane that warmongers would not seek their advice.

But is there any way for us to incorporate this into the game? Neph has done an awesome job, but even he I'm afraid may not be able to code in a character you can hire to tell you what the enemy A.I. is going to do next turn.
Any ideas?


Edit:
Ah crap, I made a typo in the title (game instead of games) and it seems I can't fix it. Can you do it for me Pilgrim?

[The Holy Pilgrim]

All fixed

[DiddlyDark]

Oh dear, long title.

Several times I've gone through my knowledge of Zelda games to come up with new ideas for this mod. The contribution that most easily would come to mind is incorporating new units or even factions and often times this has worked very well.

However we have by now probably begun scraping the bottom of the barrel (in the other thread martdiamond explicitly said we're out of evident connections to fit stuff within the various factions ranks).

But units are not the only way we can incorporate stuff, right? Just consider the merchants and diplomats.

So here's a thread where we can contribute ideas that would not work as units but might in other ways (I would suggest though, to make a separate thread for objects/items/artefacts so we don't get them all mixed up).

I'll start with something that's been bothering me as of late... in many Zelda games since ALttP (like TP and SS just to name two), we've had Fortune Tellers. Now in a world where reliable fortune telling actually exists, it seems insane that warmongers would not seek their advice.

But is there any way for us to incorporate this into the game? Neph has done an awesome job, but even he I'm afraid may not be able to code in a character you can hire to tell you what the enemy A.I. is going to do next turn.
Any ideas?


Edit:
Ah crap, I made a typo in the title (game instead of games) and it seems I can't fix it. Can you do it for me Pilgrim?

Maybe Fortune Tellers could just be agents/retinue with a long range view of the map, to signify their clairvoyance?

[Duke Serkol]

Maybe Fortune Tellers could just be units with a long range view of the map, to signify their clairvoyance?

And back to units we go

But that does give me an idea... would it be possible for generals to gain Fortune Tellers that assist them by augmenting their map view range?

[DiddlyDark]

And back to units we go

But that does give me an idea... would it be possible for generals to gain Fortune Tellers that assist them by augmenting their map view range?

Oh crap, I refer to everything as units in Total War, sorry, that's what I meant to say, more of a retinue character. Hey, maybe the Fortune teller could give them a bonus to command when they're ambushed, or something like that.

[Eleos]

Honestly, Duke, the best way to incorporate themes that are not themselves generals, spies, princesses, merchants and assasins will be to let them have an appearance in a general's retinue. When a general is in a town with a fortune teller's house long enough, he will gain a retinue card that should increase his line of sight by 2 and also improve his chances of foiling an assassination attempt. I think this makes the most sense regarding something like the fortune teller...

Regarding other types of units, what do you mean? It would be great if there were custom skins for each faction for each type of campaign unit, but this may yet be too ambitious for Neph.

[UndyingNephalim]

Regarding other types of units, what do you mean? It would be great if there were custom skins for each faction for each type of campaign unit, but this may yet be too ambitious for Neph.

Nothing is too ambitious for me, I just don't have much time to do anything at all for the next few weeks which is why I tried to get that patch out by Sunday.

[The Holy Pilgrim]

Nothing is too ambitious for me, I just don't have much time to do anything at all for the next few weeks which is why I tried to get that patch out by Sunday.

Now now, don't let brashness get to your head. You still have to get Custom Settlements working properly

[Eleos]

Nothing is too ambitious for me, I just don't have much time to do anything at all for the next few weeks which is why I tried to get that patch out by Sunday.

I apologize Neph, I did not mean to imply that you couldn't do it, I just wanted to be reasonable in allowing you the space you need to prioritize and accomplish things at your own pace.

Uh? When did I speak of other types of units?

Sorry, I think I misunderstood your original post.

[Xebenkeck]

So in MTW2 there are:

Diplomats
Princesses
Merchants
Priests
Imams
Heretics
Witches
Inquisitors
Spys
Assassins

Just to refresh everyone's memory.

[Scar86]

I also remember that there should be a pope and an anti-pope.


Perhaps King Gustaf will be the Pope and strict godess worship can be the "Christianity", and Majora will be anti-pope, and praise to majora will be the "Islam"??



Also, if they are named character versions of agents, they should have a great deal of power/ influence, and most likey should be able to serve any factions.


Diplomats:


Princesses: Marin? Maybe


Merchants: The Happy Mask salesman ;Bazzar, Morshu (for the lulz)


Priests: Gwonam ( again for the lulz)


Imams: (would need to be connected with majora in some way)


Heretics: Poe Merchant (oot)


Witches:


Inquisitors: Sharp/Flat if anyone dare cross the royal family, they will deal with them.


Spies: Poe Sisters (almost undetectable by enemies)


Assasains:


cant think of any more

[DiddlyDark]

Merchants: Morshu (for the lulz)

He should totally be a general.

[Scar86]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

He should totally be a general.

omg my sides.


he could wield a lamp and throw bombs

speaking of funny remixes, I recall a long time ago seeing a Fire and flames remix with morshu called "Through the Fire and Lamp Oil" But it's gone now, like so many other great youtube remixes of ages past D:

[DiddlyDark]

omg my sides.


he could wield a lamp and throw bombs

speaking of funny remixes, I recall a long time ago seeing a Fire and flames remix with morshu called "Through the Fire and Lamp Oil" But it's gone now, like so many other great youtube remixes of ages past D:

ORLY, I THINK NOT GOOD SIR!

Well, it's close enough.

[Xx_Turk_xX]

i think each faction should have its own agent skins. Maybe fortune tellers could be retinue that expands line of sight for generals and their armies? Happy mask salesman could be a universal skin for merchants. each faction could have its own assasin skin. I definatley think princess's need to be integrated into the game. King Gustaf and majora would be the perfect (Christianity and Islam) Papal factions.

[BuddahG85]

Its probably already been mentioned because its so obvious, but business scrubs could be dekus merchants

also that flying carpet guy could be a gerudo merchant


the guy in the kokiri shop could be the kokiri merchant

goron traveling trader


thats all i got for now.

[Duke Serkol]

So in MTW2 there are:

Diplomats
Princesses
Merchants
Priests
Imams
Heretics
Witches
Inquisitors
Spys
Assassins

Just to refresh everyone's memory.

I did need that, so thanks
In fact, could anybody post a list of the vanilla retinues too?

Perhaps King Gustaf will be the Pope and strict godess worship can be the "Christianity"

I thought the Oocca were intended to be the Papal states.

Princesses: Marin? Maybe

And there's a problem we've got... we've put all the darn princesses from the series on the battlefield (even the Deku Princess!) so we have none left for the actual role of princess.

Maybe fortune tellers could be retinue that expands line of sight for generals and their armies?

Honestly, Duke, the best way to incorporate themes that are not themselves generals, spies, princesses, merchants and assasins will be to let them have an appearance in a general's retinue. When a general is in a town with a fortune teller's house long enough, he will gain a retinue card that should increase his line of sight by 2 and also improve his chances of foiling an assassination attempt.

Yes, that does seem the best solution.

Regarding other types of units, what do you mean?

Uh? When did I speak of other types of units?

Its probably already been mentioned because its so obvious, but business scrubs could be dekus merchants

also that flying carpet guy could be a gerudo merchant


the guy in the kokiri shop could be the kokiri merchant

goron traveling trader

I like this line of thinking!

[BuddahG85]

That poe collector guy would make a good agent, maybe as ikanas merchant


Id also like to say that maybe not all of the factions should get all of the agents, it would make a good weakness/strength thing for certain factions on the campaign map

[martdiamond]

The postman should be a diplomat of some kind, preferably long ranged and therefore swift. Tingle as merchant...

[Xebenkeck]

@Buddah
I think the Poe shop guy would be a great Ikanan Diplomat.