Aetolian and Achean leagues

**RexImperator** · July 10, 2012, 09:16 AM

Though they were involved in many wars against each other, Macedon and Rome I can't seem to find any information on their armies.

I know it's sort of early still for speculation but what kind of unit roster would we be looking at for these Leagues?

**Lansa** · July 10, 2012, 09:32 AM

Classical hoplites, possibly reforming along Macedonian or Roman lines (ie becoming phalanx-oriented or manoueverable heavy infantry-orientated).

**Manuel I Komnenos** · July 10, 2012, 09:38 AM

The Achaeans had their infantry armed in the Macedonian fashion (phalanx) and could also field typical light infantry of the era, mercenaries and light cavalry. The Aetolians on the other hand don't seem to have adopted the phalanx and kept fighting as peltasts, something that suited them as their state was rough and mountainous.

**neoptolemos** · July 10, 2012, 09:49 AM

Lets take in consideration of some facts:
1)Phalanx+ skirmishers+cavalry warfare was the Greek way the time period the game is referring to.
2)Multi-task infantry like Thorakitai and Thyereophoroi would also be present
3)Aitolians and Acarnarnians were known to have efficient skirmishers from the mountainous areas of Western Greece.
4)Boetians and the Boetian plain had a tradition in producing good quality cavalry
5)Argos and Corinth have a continuous military tradition, Corinth was a particularly wealthy city with access to Ionian sea and Magna Grecia.
6)Achaeans also had cavalry where their strategos was placed...
Indirect info can be found in biographies like these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philopoemen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aratus_of_Sicyon

http://www.heritage-history.com/www/...rs_achaean.php

In this book the author is trying to give an account on the Aitolian military
http://books.google.gr/books?hl=el&i...litary&f=false
He uses the term "hoplites" which is more likely to be referring to Thyereophoroi and Thorakitai which were ideal heavy infantry for rough terrain.
he also attributes cavalry from Aitolia

So Macedonia, Thessaly, Boetia will provide extra cavalrymen while cavalry can be recruited all over Greece.

**tone** · July 10, 2012, 10:18 AM

Unit rosters for our "Free Greek" faction in RS2 - some of these were determined by the limitations on unit models / unit slots, but a lot of research went into these by Keravnos, our Greek historian. As has been said, Aetolia is pretty mountainous so less suited to phalanx warfare. I'll try and find some pics of the units.

Achaia
Elite phalangites
Thorakitai
Greek slinger
Akontistai
Thureophoroi
Greek archer
Achaian xystophoroi
Tarentine cavalry
Achaian hoplite
Cretan archer
Skiritai
Achaian phalangites
Achaian elite thorakitai

Aetolia
Greek slinger
Akontistai
Thureophoroi
Tarentine cavalry
Aetolian basilikoi peltastai
Aetolian aspidophoroi
Thureophoroi hippeis
Naupaktos' hoplitai
Aperantoi toxotai
Eyrytanes toxotai
Ophioneis thorakitai

Athens
Greek hippotoxotoi
Scythian foot archer
Scythian medium horse archer
Kappadokes infantry
Greek archer
Tarentine cavalry
Athenian marine
Athenian hoplite
Paiones hippeis

Bithynia
Greek archer
Eastern foot skirmisher
Scythian foot archer
Scythian medium horse archer
Scythian medium cavalry
Paphlagonian cavalry
Scythian hoplite
Caucasian slinger
Cappadocian cavalry
Akontistai
Thracian prodromoi
Tarentine cavalry
Bithynian levy phalangites
Khaldian moutaineer
Allied phalangites
Thraikan infantry
Thraikan psiloi
Phrygian cavalry

Boiotia
Greek slinger
Greek archer
Tarentine cavalry
Boiotian ekdromoi
Boiotian cavalry
Boiotian pezhetairoi
Boiotian levy peltasts
Boiotian Xystophoroi
Boiotian epilektoi hoplite

Bosporan
Eastern foot skirmisher
Eastern slinger
Bosporan militia spearmen
Protoslav spearmen
Light horse archer
Scythian noble cavalry
Scythian foot archer
Pantikapaion cataphract
Paphlagonian cavalry
Scythian hoplite
Roxolani nobles
Cappadocian cavalry
Elite thorakitai
Roxolani lancer
Thraikan pezoi
Thraikan chosen pezoi
Thraikan elite falxmen

Crete
Greek slinger
Akontistai
Greek archer
Tarentine cavalry
Cretan archer
Cretan hoplite
Cretan levy hoplite
Cretan native archer

Dalmatia
Illyrian light spearmen
Illyrian heavy spearmen
Greek slinger
Akontistai
Greek archer
Tarentine cavalry
Agema elite phalangites
Agrianian infantry
Paiones hippeis

Massalia
Celtic slinger
Celtic archer
Celtic longshield skirmisher
Celtic heavy spearmen
Ligurian noble cavalry
Celtic axemen
Celtiberian caetrati
Massalian thorakitai hoplite
Massalian lonchophoroi
Thureophoroi hippeis

Syracuse
Thorakitai
Light scutarii
Gallaeci caetrati
Corsicosardinian infantry
Greek hippotoxotoi
Scythian royal infantry
Greek slinger
Akontistai
Syracuse levy thureophoroi
Thureophoroi
Greek archer
Tarentine cavalry
Syracusian Somatophylakes
Aspidophoroi
Syracusan lonchophoroi
Syracusian hipparchoi
Thureophoroi hippeis

Thrace
Greek slinger
Thracian prodromoi
Tarentine cavalry
Thraikan infantry
Thraikan chosen pezoi
Thureophoroi hippeis
Thraikan peltast
Thracian elite falxmen
Thraikan hippeis
Thraikan chosen hippeis

**neoptolemos** · July 10, 2012, 10:20 AM

Also
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopas_of_Aetolia

Originally Posted by tone

Unit rosters for our "Free Greek" faction in RS2 - some of these were determined by the limitations on unit models / unit slots, but a lot of research went into these by Keravnos, our Greek historian. As has been said, Aetolia is pretty mountainous so less suited to phalanx warfare. I'll try and find some pics of the units.

Achaia
Elite phalangites
Thorakitai
Greek slinger
Akontistai
Thureophoroi
Greek archer
Achaian xystophoroi
Tarentine cavalry
Achaian hoplite
Cretan archer
Skiritai
Achaian phalangites
Achaian elite thorakitai

Aetolia
Greek slinger
Akontistai
Thureophoroi
Tarentine cavalry
Aetolian basilikoi peltastai
Aetolian aspidophoroi
Thureophoroi hippeis
Naupaktos' hoplitai
Aperantoi toxotai
Eyrytanes toxotai
Ophioneis thorakitai

Athens
Greek hippotoxotoi
Scythian foot archer
Scythian medium horse archer
Kappadokes infantry
Greek archer
Tarentine cavalry
Athenian marine
Athenian hoplite
Paiones hippeis

Crete
Greek slinger
Akontistai
Greek archer
Tarentine cavalry
Cretan archer
Cretan hoplite
Cretan levy hoplite
Cretan native archer

Well Keravnos did a professional job indeed!!!

The strategy of the leagues will be that after expansion the player should have a greater number of roster choices since he will incorporate areas with different qualities,

**Manuel I Komnenos** · July 10, 2012, 10:29 AM

Most of the details available to us can be found in the book Armies of the Macedonian and Punic Wars by Duncan Head.

Generally, both powers based their strength on thyreophoroi who had completely replaced the hoplites by that time. The Achaeans rearmed part of the army as phalangites during the wars against Sparta but the whole army seems to have been rearmed completely by Phoilopemen.

**~~ToonTotalWar~~** · July 10, 2012, 10:49 AM

I hope we see corinthian helmets in Rome 2!

**MathiasOfAthens** · July 10, 2012, 12:08 PM

At the Battle of Cynoscephalae which the Aetolian League was present alongside Rome they fielded light infantry (peltasts), and mercenary archers from Crete.