Sauron is damn strong - WTF ?!

[jpempire]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=OaLxGf0PUSE

Sauron kill almost 1420 men!!!

So to kill Sauron I have to have more than 1420 men and if he has a army I must have 3000 men? noooo

lol

And I have a question can you put Sauron with a temperament agressive?, like Takeda in Shogun 2?
Because he is always in a sentlement and he never go with a army to conquer the middle earth! That is so sad

[Mikail Mengsk]

HE's supposed to do such things.

Also, must have been seriously buffed in 3.2 i didn't remember him being so strong back in 3.1

[Bowmaster]

"But the power of the Ring, could not be undone", by Galadriel. Sauron is so strong that he could destroy armies with ease. He's weaker in the game than what he should be. He can be killed. Look for Sauron videos.

[jpempire]

Soo in 3.2 Sauron is more agressive ?

I made a battle of the last aliance and I lost because Sauron. :/

[jpempire]

In te battles he is strong but in te campaign, the factions can made "traps" to im, Siege im when he is in the city.

And the unit of Sauron, I don´t find the ring in his hand. And the other generals that have too a ring they must have that ring in his hand, no?

[Bob Doad]

And the unit of Sauron, I don´t find the ring in his hand. And the other generals that have too a ring they must have that ring in his hand, no?

I actually like that suggestion on its own! Sauron with the ring or some sort of retinue that gives your general one!

[Oneru]

I actually like that suggestion on its own! Sauron with the ring or some sort of retinue that gives your general one!

Isn't it the idea that when Sauron falls, the ring is destroyed and therefore Mordor is destroyed? Seeing the Ring on Sauron would be nice, but I think you shouldn't be able to get it anymore as soon as he is killed.

Unless you want an option to take the ring after defeating Sauron, but that would be a whole other story .

[jpempire]

I actually like that suggestion on its own! Sauron with the ring or some sort of retinue that gives your general one!

It could be fun!

[StealthFox]

I've killed Sauron before, but I had a very elite dwarf army, and by the time it was over I had lost pretty much the entire army. But hey, I killed Sauron, all those dwarf lives were worth it, right?

[Jonlion]

A Balrog and Mumakil took him out when I done a four way death match including Ents

[Dutch-Balrog]

Sauron is meant to be this strong, would be lame to kill him like a normal general wouldnt it? Because of this you got a reason to destroy the ring, you dont wanna fight Sauron.

[Dwarven Berserker]

Um, wut? I just did some quick testing, with these results:

Sauron vs Dragonslayers:


Sauron vs Sword Quendi:


Either Sauron is stronger in the campaign then he is in custom battles, or you're doing something seriously wrong

[Ulfgard the Unmaker]

Did he get caught in the stagger loop? Because if he did, that explains how you didn't lose a full army.

Also, traits and ancillaries that add hitpoints in the campaign do make him significantly tougher.

[Dwarven Berserker]

Did he get caught in the stagger loop? Because if he did, that explains how you didn't lose a full army.

Also, traits and ancillaries that add hitpoints in the campaign do make him significantly tougher.

Sauron is an Elephant unit and therefore has no stagger animation. Therefore he'll never get in a stagger loop

I'm not really sure about the traits and ancillaries, but I'm pretty sure they shouldn't affect him, as the Sauron you see is actually a bodyguard, while the actual general is invisible/untouchable and dies whenever Sauron does.

[Rhaenys Targaryen]

Dwarven Berserker, Sauron can easily die against one unit because for 80% of the time he just stands there doing nothing while getting hit by 5-8 troops at the same time. In the campaign he will never be alone in any battles.

[Dwarven Berserker]

Dwarven Berserker, Sauron can easily die against one unit because for 80% of the time he just stands there doing nothing while getting hit by 5-8 troops at the same time. In the campaign he will never be alone in any battles.

Well, not really, actually. He runs around like a crazed monkey, hits a couple of dudes and runs out again.
Also, he might be "not alone" in campaign battles, but even that shouldn't be able to make THAT much of a difference. Therefore, I think it's save to conclude Sauron is severely buffed in the campaign

Oh and @ Bob: Well, if you really want to:

Sauron vs 2 units of gondor infantry (ok, ok I gave them armour upgrades, I know )


And my personal favorite: Sauron vs Fountain Guard: (the Guards themselves don't seem to care about their win though lol)


Rohan has heavy axemen and Dale has Barding Hird, both of which would make short work of Sauron as well (at least, the custom battle Sauron) So yeah....

[Incredible Bulk]

Just sent done Ents they'll "take care" of him

[Bob Doad]

Isn't it the idea that when Sauron falls, the ring is destroyed and therefore Mordor is destroyed? Seeing the Ring on Sauron would be nice, but I think you shouldn't be able to get it anymore as soon as he is killed.

Unless you want an option to take the ring after defeating Sauron, but that would be a whole other story .

I think if you kill him your general should get the ring and then based on his susceptibility to its corruption (determined by a trait explained later on in this paragraph and race i.e. elf vs. Man) a percentage is determined then the game decides whether the general takes it for himself or alerts the council. Additionally, if he finds the ring or kills any other general to get it the same process should be applied (even to evil faction generals but instead they try and hide it from sauron). Now, there should be a trait that every general has and it determines your resistance to the ring's corruption (so how far you can move), your ability to control the ring (similar but based on this the ring can reveal your position on the map to enemies say u have a 50% control which means every turn you have a 50% chance of having your position cast to everyone), and maybe other stuff like acquisition of certain traits(which is already implemented). Also, there should be another percentage if he takes the ring that determines whether sauron or the council finds out on their own.

Um, wut? I just did some quick testing, with these results:

Sauron vs Dragonslayers:


Sauron vs Sword Quendi:


Either Sauron is stronger in the campaign then he is in custom battles, or you're doing something seriously wrong

The issue my good sir is that you are using elves and dwarves likely the people who face sauron will be gondor or rohan or dale, correct me if im wrong . Also in campaign he is boosted up quite a bit

[Kiliç Alì]

@ DwarvenBerserker, I think you made your tests wrong...
In campaign, Sauron has some nice traits\ancs boosting his hitpoints IIRC. So he is damn' hard to fight.

But I am not really sure of this, I am speaking by assumptions since I never fought him

[Dutch-Balrog]

Dont forget the he has an army behind his ass in the campaign.